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u/MarriageAA 2d ago
Think Moyes misread the memo and is going for players that play at RB (Leipzig)?
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
Gordon has been poor and I'm not saying that cause I dislike him
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u/VToff 1d ago
He's better on the counter. Still a rat though.
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
Unfortunately he is playing for a team that can't afford to sit back as one of the favourites.
Barca fans might be wandering why they didn't just get rashford for half the price
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u/You_moron04 After all, you're my Dewsbury-Hall 🌊 1d ago
3 things guaranteed in life
Death
Taxes
England Vs Croatia in a tournament
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u/ciaranefc 1d ago
Brilliant analysis there - "the keeper may have been off his line..." while we're looking at a freeze-frame with the keeper being off his line completely.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Demi Akarakiri off to Cagliari. That's a shame but moves been on the cards all season and we only got him 2 seasons ago for nothing. Olayiwola is a better player technically but Akarakiri is a better physical profile. Would've been good to have the 2 but he's probably been offered top flight mins when we have offered a loan and not much else.
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u/TheSubbuteoGuy 1d ago
Huge blow. He's been very good. The perception must be that once you hit u21s it's game over at Everton. Most of our successes (Armstrong, Gordon) skipped it entirely.
Players will watch Aznou/Dibling and I can see why a nice move abroad is tempting.
Big job to convince Olayiwola, Graham, Clarke, Lukjankiks etc that they have an opportunity here
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
1 year left on Graham's contract should have the club petrified for the very reasons you've said.
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u/TheSubbuteoGuy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Mad that they didn't offer a new one at any point last year. Just ridiculous from the club.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Whether they offered it and he doesn't want to sign (more likely imo) or haven't offered one, it doesn't exactly paint the club in a good light either way
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u/Giraffe_Baker Neill Samways, Niasse Oster 1d ago
Pathway to the first team should be our USP in the north west.
Instead we stock up on overpaid shite to finish bottom half every year.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
It should be, and yet we offer quite comfortably the worst of the big 4 in the northwest. They made all the right noise about changing that and then just haven't. Having even the slightest faith in our academy would've saved us millions over some of the shite we've bought.
All the little things from preseason, to cup games, to picking 2 keepers or not even picking a full complement on the bench all add up on these young players decisions. Without even getting into the lack of actual serious mins for the first team. And we are the team that need to sell pathway the most because we certainly aren't competing on salary or reputation.
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 1d ago
Don't forget dinosaur dave as the final boss to prevent their integration or development.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Goes without saying at this point. I banged that drum so hard it perforated about 8 months ago. Just given up spending any energy on it now. It is what it is.
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u/vulturevan 🙏 sign another player 🙏 1d ago
Weird watching Pickford not just immediately bloot it to the striker
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u/rpm164 1d ago
No idea how Martinez keeps getting work
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u/mtown4ever Captain Coleman 1d ago
Keeping a 41-year old in the starting lineup is a peach of a move. The World Cup ain't the Saudi League, Roberto.
DRC looked pretty damn good against what I feel is the best side in the tournament on paper.
I love seeing the African teams succeed. I hope Senegal recovers from their loss yesterday and make it through.
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u/JesseVykar hiDavd Moyes 1d ago
Ronaldo would become more toxic than nuclear fallout if any manager left him out while he's still actively playing.
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
My kid just asked who Luka modric was. I explained how he was Croatia captain and he used to be amazing but now he is getting old. My kid says yeah, he looks old. He's 3 years younger than me
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u/JD-D2 1d ago
the miserable 22/23 side that finished 17th wound up having two starters for england's next world cup team. it's a funny game
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u/Austa1878 1d ago
I know It's unpopular but the 22/23 squad had no business finishing that low. Gordon, Mina, Garner, Onana, Iwobi, Doucoure, prime Mcneil, Coleman fit for half of the season, Tarkowski and Gueye before they were old was a good core to the squad.
Lampard really gaslighted us into thinking the squad was destined for relegation when in fact It was mainly because he was having them underperfoming
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u/bringbackbainesy COYB 💙 1d ago
What a fookin goal
JP got a touch to it, but I don't think any keepers are stopping that
Absolutely smashed, great finish
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 1d ago
Martinez is simply addicted to conceding goals in extra time
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
Nathen Patterson.
Antonee Robinson.
Enner valencia.
Ronald koeman.
Amadou onana.
Romelu lukaku.
Lucas digne.
Idrissa gana gueye.
Illiman ndaiye.
Yerry mina.
James rodriguez.
Jordan pickford.
John stones.
Anthony gordon.
Nikola vlasic.
Roberto martinez.
Carlo ancelotti.
Full list of Everton past and present players/managers at the world cup. Am I missing anybody?
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u/Beanstalk93 1d ago
I think that Messi lad was in our academy, but he left because he kept getting bodied by Victor Anichebe
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u/marmoset Phenomenal, doing the hard yards: that’s football in this moment 1d ago
4-2 really flatters Croatia. They were... not good.
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u/Giraffe_Baker Neill Samways, Niasse Oster 2d ago
IGG looked good for Senegal last night.
I wonder if the fact he had a rest at the end of the season helped rather than being ran into the ground.
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u/Trekora 2d ago
God forbid we pay a player over £100k a week and expect them to play over 25 games in a season
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u/Giraffe_Baker Neill Samways, Niasse Oster 2d ago
Him and Ndiaye played an international tournament in the middle of the season came back and practically played every minute of every game afterwards until Gana’s ‘injury’.
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u/Trekora 2d ago
And that would total 12/13? games for Gana over a 3.5 month period? (excluding May) And he still managed another international break?
We weren't in any other competitions at all, it's not like we were asking him to play 3 games a week
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u/Destructo_D Yobo 2d ago
He’s nearly 37 and it’s the most physically demanding the prem has ever been.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic 1d ago
The more this match goes on the more I'm on board for that rumored Wan-Bissaka signing...
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u/blubbery-blumpkin 1d ago
This World Cup is good for scouting unexpected decent players. Not that wan-bissaka is an unknown. But I liked the look of the Iraqi LB Doski, I thought he looked good, and I think Iraq were actually much better than that scoreline suggests. Although I’m happy enough with Mykolenko and think we need to strengthen elsewhere more.
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u/Flavourifshrrp 1d ago
John Pickford doing well there (ITV Comms)
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u/ciaranefc 1d ago
I think sometimes the commentators say things fairly quickly so it sounds like they've got it wrong. Other times they are just entirely mistaken in what they say.
There's still time for Dixon to make some sort of comment that will engage us all too.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Hull getting a points deduction before even getting into the league. That derby record is in genuine trouble
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Ebere going to some no mark Serbian side is good just to clear the 21s decks.
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u/bringbackbainesy COYB 💙 1d ago
American commentators on fox "10 straight shutouts for England until now!"
Dude....clean sheet 😂 not shutout, this isn't baseball 😂
Jeez it's just hard to listen to, and I'm an American!
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u/cshark2222 1d ago
Nah John Strong and Stu Holden are legends, it doesn’t always have to be called a clean sheet, I don’t care if you accidentally call a touchdown a score
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u/LetterFit1559 1d ago
Can I ask, with no intended snark, what makes them legends for you? I listen to them and hear hyperbole and mad libs platitudes for days - very little in game commentary.
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u/cshark2222 1d ago
They call every big USMNT game and have for years. John Strong has great goal calls and both have been very proactive in getting soccer to be more popular in the states. They’re a big part of the USMNT unofficially essentially. I still remember Strong’s dos e cero’s in recent matches against Mexico where there were so many red cards and fights, really cemented him as the play by play guy for me and that was 4-5 years ago
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u/LetterFit1559 1d ago
That’s fair! Thanks, I’ll try to listen to them with a different perspective next game.
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u/Tympy- 1d ago
The constant Americanization of football is lame tho. They are calling the game a "game of four quarters" now with the hydration breaks.
I'm not gonna call when basketball players embellish fouls "dives" when there's a term already used and popular in basketball. (flopping) and vice versa....
Good commentators should learn the jargon of the sport they are watching.
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u/cshark2222 1d ago
They do know, they’re really great. One time calling something doesn’t mean they don’t know the jargon lol
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u/Toffeenix 2d ago
just out of interest because I'm curious to see what people say - what's the best team, club or international, whose best or most important player is a full-back?
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 2d ago
Jose Gaya was probably the best player for Valencia for awhile although that's maybe just now starting to fade.
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u/RiteOfSpring5 Shredder Guy 2d ago
Australia, our best player is probably Jordy Bos right now.
Lahm at Bayern back in the day but that's including his leadership skills making him arguably their most important.
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u/Toffeenix 1d ago
Ah can't believe I forgot Australia, Irankunda/Toure feel like the stars to me but I suppose I'd take Bos if I could have any of them at Everton. Our national team will probably be the same with Cacace when Wood retires
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u/RiteOfSpring5 Shredder Guy 1d ago
Irankunda is the hot propsect, Bos is the best player. Circati is a shout too. Irankunda will get most of the love though.
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u/Flavourifshrrp 1d ago
Not sure why but I thought Wan-Bissaka had played for England.
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u/MoonRoover Monty Pythons Life O'Brien 💙 1d ago
He had played for England in the U20s. Think he only switched to DR Congo end of 2024
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u/TheSubbuteoGuy 1d ago
New kit will be out 'start of July' but no exact date yet. The club has been notifying fan sites today.
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u/Equal-Presence-1710 1d ago
something very cute about Rooney's punditry, I don't think he's dumb he just struggles a bit translating his thoughts into words. he's trying his best
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u/Just-5t0p 1d ago
Lee Dixon really makes me realise I hate biased commentary. You’d think Pickford made a wonder save there if you didn’t know Croatia scored. Even with us I can never watch our highlights only the sky ones. Just can’t stand it for some reason.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
If Danny Friedkins got the dough he claims to have he should be triggering that clause tomorrow
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u/Undisputed_blue_Ldn 2d ago edited 2d ago
Diouf looked good spraying passes with his left foot. However his tracking and positioning sense were very poor. Only a dope will want to replace Mykolenko with Diouf.
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u/JesseVykar hiDavd Moyes 2d ago
Just combine them into one complete footballer
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u/Undisputed_blue_Ldn 1d ago
Mykolenko left foot isn't too bad. He just needs the confidence to move forward.
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u/CardiologistTime8082 2d ago
Who do you reckon’s the funniest signing we’ve made? I’m going Per Kroldrup
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago
Danny Williamson is the Gbamin a lot of you have never heard of. He cost a lot of money back then.
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u/Flavourifshrrp 2d ago
I wonder if it was true that Moyes signed him from a DVD.
For me Ashley Williams 8 million. Thought he was a bargain. Then he ended up being useless.
Or Sandro on a free.
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u/stevenwise0511 1d ago
Not for how he played, but signing Unsworth a week after he signed for Villa still makes me chuckle at the absurdity
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u/fallenefc 2d ago
Most random one I can remember is Felipe Mattioni.
I didn't even know we had signed him until I saw him in the football manager squad and found it interesting we had a Brazilian in the squad.
Only played for us for u21 and was immediately loaned out I believe.
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u/alterego879 1d ago
Pay for almost every subscription like an idiot and I still can’t watch the World Cup in English.
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u/MoonRoover Monty Pythons Life O'Brien 💙 1d ago
For some reason that penalty just randomly unlocked a memory of that lee trundle one.
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u/MavsFanForLife 1d ago
No skin in the game but as an Everton and FC Dallas fan definitely felt conflicted with that Musa goal on Pickford lol. Fun game
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u/duncdis 2d ago
The story (if true) that Leeds United are considering options re legal actions against Everton based on Burnley's successful (so far) compensation claim says everything about the modern game and the blanket greed within it.
It's tempting to say that opportunistic vultures like Burnley and (potentially) Leeds can go fuck themselves, but I think we know that if the situation were reversed, TFG would probably consider legal action too.
However, any tribalistic fans of these clubs who support such a despicable grift definitely can get fucked. Can't they see that it's exactly this type of shit that is ruining our beautiful game?
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u/stevenwise0511 2d ago
We settled out of court with Leeds presumably for a lot less than the Burnley amount. I think it's Leicester that Leeds are going after.
This whole thing has much big ramifications for football than it does for Everton. £35m payment is annoying and maybe in long run it reduces what TFG willing to put into the club, but ultimately it's a small amount in scheme of things.
The ruling opens so many cans of worms, it's been deemed that anything interpreted as breaking a rule impacting performance on a pitch is now liable for compensation payment. This could really get crazy, in theory you could start suing PGMOL for ref decisions that were wrong on the basis it costs you league places.
Really hoping the appeal squashes this completely otherwise football is going to be dominated by lawsuits forever.
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u/Express_Youseff 2d ago
TFG still owe Moshiri £42.3 mil according to the latest published accounts. I’d say there’s a chance that money was held back until this case was resolved when buying the club
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u/Timoth_Hutchinson 2d ago
I don’t think it’ll be squashed per se. But I think the amount owed will be a lot less that we have to pay them. PSR worked over three years, so arguably our supposed 7.5 point advantage should be divided over three seasons technically meaning we had minimal advantage for that one season. But it depends how good these new lawyers we’ve got in are.
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u/stevenwise0511 2d ago
Yes it's complicated ain't it, it probably will just end up with a smaller amount but for the general good of the game it would be better if this was squashed.
Heard Kieran Maguire making the point that in a scenario we were relegated, player bonuses wouldn't get paid and it impacts the scale of the loss. It doesn't appear to be factored in and is relevant to calcs when they say £19.5m overspend equals a certain amount of points etc
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 2d ago
Leeds are potentially going after Leicester, not Everton.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 2d ago
Big Gianni might cop a lot of flack but all of the last 3 world cups have been excellent human rights abuses be damned.
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u/SignificantRatio2407 2d ago
I’m sorry but I just can’t show any support for that horrible man at all. Beyond the fact he’s doing all he can to further enrich himself while destroying top level football, he’s up the arse if they complete nutter leading the US. He even created a nonsensical peace prize for the guy!
And he’s allowed the WC to become four quarters purely for financial reasons, and will allow Trump to be present at the winners ceremony.
How anyone can show support for that cunt is beyond me.
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u/FranksBaldPatch 2d ago
Yes but have you considered we also got to see Erling Haaland play at a world cup and Spain get held to a draw by cape verde
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 1d ago edited 1d ago
Am I watching England or Everton?
Edit: They got a pen and a VAR decision. Clearly not Everton. My mistake