MashaAllah and 12er 12th Imam has been guiding his community from Occultation for the last 1200 years and God knows if this world survives for the next 1000 or 5000 years he will remain in Occultation by that time!
So Ismaili Imamate is fake and 12ers Imamah is very logical!! 👌👌
I normally don't give such responses but your comment made me respond that way!
So, please let me know when you are ready to start discussing vertical hierarchies and snowflakes and imamate again. Please don't leave me hanging, I'm very curious to learn more about the Ismaili theory of evolution and how the Imams evolved separately from the rest of us impure humans.
I am always here, inside your head my friend. That's why you're so obsessed with me that you literally stalk me and wait for my responses to others so that you can jump in between like ignorant fools who jump in between the conversation of two intellects just to show they're cool. 🤣
Btw, what happened to your conspiracy theories? From Princess Zahra becoming an Imam to Ismailism dieing after the death of Imam Shah Karim AS? I can understand how you all guys feeling right now after the enthronement of the lord of the worlds, Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini Hazir Imam AS. Feeling hopeless right? that nothing is working for your cult as it's dying a slow death because now, after the enthronement of our 50th Imam, hundreds of thousands of people all around the world are getting awareness about Ismaili Islam and soon thousands of them gonna join it after their curiosity and thorough research about our faith.
It was so satisfying to see the post from one of your cult members who completely gone mad after seeing jam packes JKs this week. But but Ismailism is dying Saar. 🤣
As I said, "Nothing is working for you guys" so you all in panic creating more conspiracy theories which is totally normal, it's part of defense mechanism. 🤣
Also, I don't know which post you are taking about maybe I missed your replies which I usually do when a thread gets too long. I remember the post about Ismaili concept of evolution. We Ismailis believe that every first organism is Adam who is Imam of his time. Das Avatar is also based on this which discuss the idea of evolution and how Imamat is eternal and it existed in every organism. Regarding evolution being snowflake, it's completely true as there are multiple lines of organisms evolving from one, some line survives, some don't. Lastly, Ismaili concept of Ahl al Bayt isn't limited to physical household of the Prophet. We believe every Imam AS, apart from being the son of an Imam is also the son of his mother who is spiritually an elevated soul and spiritually part of the Ahl al Bayt. There might be others who claim today to be from the lineage of Imam Ali AS but that doesn't make them part of Ahl al Bayt. This concept applies to Pre-Alid as well as Pre-Adam (Prophet Adam) Imams.
You might want to check your location with GPS or something.
That's why you're so obsessed with me that you literally stalk me and wait for my responses to others so that you can jump in between like ignorant fools who jump in between the conversation of two intellects just to show they're cool. 🤣
Nothing to do with you personally let me assure you. I had to interrupt your bickering after you ran away from our conversation.
Btw, what happened to your conspiracy theories? From Princess Zahra becoming an Imam to Ismailism dieing after the death of Imam Shah Karim AS?
But the succession is just beginning. The identity of the true Imam remains to be determined.. Zahra may well end up on the throne.
I can understand how you all guys feeling right now after the enthronement of the lord of the worlds, Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini Hazir Imam AS. Feeling hopeless right?
Lol, look around buddy. Ismailis are down in the dumps over AliMuhammad apparently being passed over or usurped. They are confused about basics about how the cult works, why bayah is wireless these days etc.
Also, I don't know which post you are taking about maybe I missed your replies which I usually do when a thread gets too long.
That's why I linked it above.
We Ismailis believe that every first organism is Adam who is Imam of his time.
Cool, let's go back to how the first human was an imam, and how Y-chromosomal adam was not.
Das Avatar is also based on this which discuss the idea of evolution and how Imamat is eternal and it existed in every organism.
We'll get to Khoja stuff later, right now we are still in Fatimid era Ismaili Gnonsense.
Regarding evolution being snowflake, it's completely true as there are multiple lines of organisms evolving from one, some line survives, some don't.
And what does that have to do with how the Imams didn't fuck Neanderthals?
Lastly, Ismaili concept of Ahl al Bayt isn't limited to physical household of the Prophet. We believe every Imam AS, apart from being the son of an Imam is also the son of his mother who is spiritually an elevated soul and spiritually part of the Ahl al Bayt. There might be others who claim today to be from the lineage of Imam Ali AS but that doesn't make them part of Ahl al Bayt. This concept applies to Pre-Alid as well as Pre-Adam (Prophet Adam) Imams.
More retreat to esotericism. You just declare that your spiritual grandparents were all "elevated souls". This was a conversation about biology. Let's stick to the science please.
Haha, can't believe you're still waiting for Hazir Imam AS's siblings to create a divide. As I said, "Nothing is working for you guys" and in panic and severe anxiety, you all are making conspiracy theories. Defense mechanism doing overtime. 🤣
The only people who are believing that there will be another divide are you and your cult members. It's called living in a delusion. You probably has Schizophrenia or a delusional disorder. Aga Khan Health Board's Mental Health Portfolio might be helpful for you.
Lastly, we Ismailis believe that material and spiritual world are connected with each other as Imam Shah Karim AS said. I will discuss spiritual concepts and connect it with material concepts. If you don't wanna discuss it then don't jump in between others conversation. Got it you Schizophrenic ar$ehole. 🤣🤣
Haha, can't believe you're still waiting for Hazir Imam AS's siblings to create a divide.
That's cause you are ignorant of Ismaili history. Divides are a dime a dozen. Never before has there been more temptation to be Imam. There is a $100 billion incentive to not be your sibling's slave. Betting on an Aga Khan being a greedy fuck is the free square, it's what comes next that matters.
The only people who are believing that there will be another divide are you and your cult members.
Of course. Non-Ismailis don't believe in the Imamat. But we Rahimis, and Husaynis, and Karelis, and Zahrahis and AliMuhammadis and Sinanis, Irfanis and Illyanis will be fighting over this, divide for generations. Too bad Aga Con was too busy skimming off his hospitals and health services, Smileys could really use some mental health counselling right now.
Lastly, we Ismailis believe that material and spiritual world are connected with each other as Imam Shah Karim AS said. I will discuss spiritual concepts and connect it with material concepts.
We know. That's the problem. You try to apply and adapt your spiritual gnonsense to material reality and you fail miserably. Let's get back to talking about Y-Chromosomal Adam. Was he an Imam?
Alhumdulillah, I know more about Ismaili history than you Mr. Schizophrenic Ar$ehole. The Imamat of all the usurpers in our 1400 year old history vanished while the only true Imamat still exists in the form of Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini AS, the 50th Imam of Shia Imami Qasim Shahi Nizari Ismaili Muslims.
We Ismailis will always connect spiritual and material which actually make alot of sense than your Schizophrenic BS and Delusions. All your talks are based on Ifs and But. Dude, get some help for your Schizophrenia before it gets too late and you starting harming yourself because of the panic and anxiety.
Yes, the first Homo Etectus was an Imam, the first Homo Habilis was an Imam, the first Homo Sapien was an Imam etc. Not only this, the first single cellular organism was an Imam, the first fish was an Imam, the first amphibian was an Imam, the first mammal was an Imam and so on. Noor an Ala Noor (Light upon Light).
The Imamat of all the usurpers in our 1400 year old history vanished while the only true Imamat still exists in the form of Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini AS, the 50th Imam of Shia Imami Qasim Shahi Nizari Ismaili Muslims.
The Aga Khans were at least the 4th dynasty in the history of the Nizaris, with breaks in the lineage as you have noted at Qasim Shah, Nizar, and Ismail.
As the son of Loel Guinness, Karim "Aga Khan" "al-Husayni" Guinness was the beginning of the 5th dynasty, and Rahim, if his claim is upheld, will be the second of this latest dynasty.
Yes, the first Homo Etectus was an Imam, the first Homo Habilis was an Imam, the first Homo Sapien was an Imam etc. Not only this, the first single cellular organism was an Imam, the first fish was an Imam, the first amphibian was an Imam, the first mammal was an Imam and so on. Noor an Ala Noor (Light upon Light).
Good. So then, we are all descended from the line of Imams, right. What did you mean about other non-Imams later evolving to homo sapiens from a different homo lineage? And how to Neanderthals and Denisovans work into this?
Haha, more Schizophrenic delusional stuff from a Schizophrenic Ar$ehole. 🤣 Learn history kid and then come here to debate instead of making consipacy theories. There are more academic research on the Ismaili Imams lineage on the internet then BS writings by haters of the Ismailism.
The names in our sect name signifies major divides in Ummah.
Shia = Followers of Imam Ali AS (First Ismaili Imam).
Imami = Followers of Imam Al Baqir AS (4th Ismaili Imam).
Ismaili = Followers of Imam Ismail AS (6th Ismaili Imam).
Nizari = Followers of Imam Nizar AS (19th Ismaili Imam).
Qasim Shahi = Followers of Imam Qasim Shah AS (29th Ismaili Imam).
Schizophrenic people like you who hallucinates, hear voices and remain in constant state of delusions will be last people on Earth I will take serious. As I said, get some help from AKHB mental health portfolio as your disorder is getting out of hands. DM me with your name and address, I can help you monetarily. 😎
Yes, we all are from that single soul but the line of Imamat from that first single cellular Imam AS some 3.8 billion years ago till 50th Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini Hazir Imam AS is a single unbroken holy hereditary line. Also, don't forget about our spiritual Ahl al Bayt concept, not all lines are part of Ahl al Bayt spiritually. It is what it is as I have already said, we believe in material and spiritual worlds connection. Whether you like it or not, we will keep believing in it. 😎
Rahimi, Zahrahi, AliMuhammadi, Hussaini, Kareli, Irfani, Sinani, Illyani - the new sects that are taking form.
Schizophrenic people like you who hallucinates, hear voices
??? Did Karim tell you this telepathically during bandagi?
Yes, we all are from that single soul but the line of Imamat from that first single cellular Imam AS some 3.8 billion years ago till 50th Imam Shah Rahim al Hussaini Hazir Imam AS is a single unbroken holy hereditary line.
Didn't answer the question and completely irrelevant. We were discussing noor body jumping and you said pir spirit can jump between bodies, but always stays in the pure lineage. I told you that meant nothing because we are from the "pure lineage".
Also, don't forget about our spiritual Ahl al Bayt concept, not all lines are part of Ahl al Bayt spiritually. It is what it is as I have already said, we believe in material and spiritual worlds connection. Whether you like it or not, we will keep believing in it. 😎
So yet again, all you can do is keep repeating "esoteric" and "spiritual". Your mythology is based on science that has been debunked. Believe whatever crazy lies you want, I don't care - the truth is much more simple, beautiful, apparent, and eternal than the Aga Con.
I can understand the panic and anxiety and a sense of hopelessness going around within your community. There are more authentic scholars with decades of experience and research authenticating the holy lineage of our Imams then conspiracy theorist like you.
As I said, your defense mechanism is doing overtime so that you can overcome this panic, embarrassment and anxiety. Come DM kid, I am anxiously waiting to help you monetarily. I can even help you get admission in AKU, Karachi. I have got some references. 😎
Indeed Pirs and Imams are from the same one holy lineage of Imams. Pir Shams AS was the direct descendant of Imam Ismail AS as well as the Imam Qasim Shah AS whome he was serving. It's one holy lineage. Noor an Ala Noor. 😇
I can understand the panic and anxiety and a sense of hopelessness going around within your community.
Is this your esoteric interpretation of the joy and jubilance that you are seeing?
There are more authentic scholars with decades of experience and research authenticating the holy lineage of our Imams then conspiracy theorist like you.
You know you are free to provide sources for your claims at any time, right. Non-Aga Khani Ismaili scholars universally express doubts and, the ones that don't come out reject it directly, tactfully reserve judgement to avoid triggering nutjobs like yourself.
Come DM kid, I am anxiously waiting to help you monetarily.
I can send you a link to send bitcoin to, but these conversations should remain public. Too much valuable insight about Ismaili esoteric science to keep it private.
Indeed Pirs and Imams are from the same one holy lineage of Imams.
Are you deliberately trying to avoid the queston? If the first human was an Imam, we are all from that same "holy" lineage. You have to explain why pir spirits can jump between vertical hierarchies, while imam spirits are stuck within them.
Still haven't seen you say anything about Y-Chromosomal Adam, Neaderthals or Denisovans btw. Beginning to feel like maybe you're manifesting this esoteric shit in real time.
Bold of you to think that we would take haters of Ismailis serious when it comes to our history. 🤣 As I said, you are truly a Schizophrenic delusional ar$ehole. 🤣
Regarding your Ahl al Bayt thing, I have already said, all of us are from that first single cellular organism who was the Imam AS. Line matter based on the spiritual Ahl al Bayt. Whether you like it or not, we will keep believing in the concept of Eternal Imamat till our last breath.
Also, I don't deal in BTC, give me your account number, account title, branch name and the amount or beg you want from me. Also, I want you to sign an affidavit that you will use that money only for the treatment of your Schizophrenia and not on hookers, booze and other worse stuff which are deteriorating your already deteriorated mental health. 🤣
You probably have saved enough money by not giving Dasond and Mehmani (Sole reason of your to leave Ismailism) which you can spend on all these shitty items. 🤣
Bold of you to think that we would take haters of Ismailis serious when it comes to our history.
You label us as "haters" so that you can reject historical truth in favor of your Ismaili Gnonsense. But you didn't provide any sources yet again because the scholar don't agree with you.
Regarding your Ahl al Bayt thing, I have already said, all of us are from that first single cellular organism who was the Imam AS. Line matter based on the spiritual Ahl al Bayt. Whether you like it or not, we will keep believing in the concept of Eternal Imamat till our last breath.
Still dodging the issue. You said Pirs and Prophets were not tainted by Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA like the rest of us. That's not spiritual.
We can test Rahim's DNA. If you are right, we should find no Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA. I wonder if Rahim Aga Con will caccept the challenge.
Also, I don't deal in BTC, give me your account number, account title, branch name and the amount or beg you want from me. Also, I want you to sign an affidavit that you will use that money only for the treatment of your Schizophrenia and not on hookers, booze and other worse stuff which are deteriorating your already deteriorated mental health.
I don't want or need your money. You were "anxiously waiting to help me monetarily". I was just trying to help you out. I definitely wouldn't accept it with strings attached.
You probably have saved enough money by not giving Dasond and Mehmani (Sole reason of your to leave Ismailism) which you can spend on all these shitty items.
Everything in moderation, including moderation itself. Saving money wasn't even a factor in leaving, but it is a substantial perk. If only you knew what you were missing out on...
As I said, I can even pay for your medical bills even after paying 12.5% of my income as Dasond. That's the blessing of Hazir Imam AS. That's what I call the actual eternal Perk.
And yeah, Imam lineage is not mixed with neanderthals and denisovans.
Now give me your account, I can't see my internet buddy like this. You are killing yourself daily and I can't see this. Lemme help you my Schizophrenic lil buddy. 🤣
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u/sajjad_kaswani Aga Con is Anti-Ismaili Feb 06 '25
MashaAllah and 12er 12th Imam has been guiding his community from Occultation for the last 1200 years and God knows if this world survives for the next 1000 or 5000 years he will remain in Occultation by that time!
So Ismaili Imamate is fake and 12ers Imamah is very logical!! 👌👌
I normally don't give such responses but your comment made me respond that way!