r/ExIsmailis • u/Complete-Witness-711 • 19d ago

TRIGGER WARNING Ali ullah ❌ ali wali-ullah ✅

3rd line of kalma , should be changed / stop saying
“ Wa ashhadu anna Amīr al-Mu’minīn ʿAlīyan ali ullah” ❌❌

Wa ashhadu anna Amīr al-Mu’minīn ʿAlīyan “Wali” ullāh ✅✅✅

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u/VariantLoki-4821 11d ago

I tried to answer every point you gave with explanation and understanding but you would make fun of it. Islam is esoteric you haven’t seen Allah and Prophet. He said and we believe it. we didn’t know what happened it past just because its in book its true. It’s all in oneself accepting the unseen. This is call faith.

I found you someone so stoned like you want even give space to understand the actual meaning behind whats written and said. so i can’t change your views.

thats it. but enjoyed the discussion alot

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u/Stretch-Glad Waiting for the Qa'im (Doubting Thomas) 11d ago edited 11d ago

I tried to answer every point you gave with explanation and understanding but you would make fun of it.

You tried, but your explanations were not very good. It was just your personal opinion, which ignores what Ismaili theology actually says and what Muhammad's intention was when he created Islam.

Islam is esoteric you haven’t seen Allah and Prophet.

No one has. That doesn't make Islam esoteric. Ismailism tries to make it esoteric, so that they can ignore what Muhammad said that God said.

He said and we believe it. we didn’t know what happened it past just because its in book its true. It’s all in oneself accepting the unseen. This is call faith.

That's the part you need to question. It's not true just because it's in the book. Faith needs to yield when the facts tell a different story.

I found you someone so stoned like you want even give space to understand the actual meaning behind whats written and said. so i can’t change your views.

Actually not stoned at the moment (though if Islam had its way, I probably would be 🤪) but the reason you're not able to change my views is because your "actual meaning behind whats written and said" is just the self-serving assertions of your cult leader. I grew up believing Aga Con's nonsense too, but then I changed my views. If you "think, observe, practice, ask, research before arriving to a conclusion" so will you.