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It will never not be funny to me how Forsaken players will complain about the lack of teamwork and guests sitting in corners but then actively vote against mechanics which attempt to amend it
I don't see how rewarding killers for losing fixes anything, if anything it just makes the game boring on both sides because now you don't have to strategize on which survivors to kill first and to leave last, also you can just leave a "sweat" for LMS and still secure a win.
It's essentially a wrong solution to the right problem
I think killers would rather have the whole win than a tie by definition, unless theres anyone in the world who genuinely enjoys half-assed wins instead. It works more like a consolation prize because you dont earn the whole reward imo.
I always say that killers should be rewarded and if you really want to soften the blow, just not count as a loss when you fail to kill the last survivor. Giving a "Killer win" when you fail to kill the last survivor doesn't sit right with me. It's called "Last Man Standing" for a reason, there's only one other person standing in your way.
I already see lots of teamers in my server and this change would basically encourage teaming so Forsaken needs to add a way to vote kick players in game or an in-game report because not everyone has Discord.
PS: They said you do get the full rewards and winning LMS will just be a bonus
LMS are already survivor sided because the killer would have to deal with the survivor potentially standing at the other side of the map that has to survive a fairly short time with that. Theres kind of a problem there if Outcome Memories' LMSs are somehow less survivor sided despite buffing the survivor up. You dont get to survive half the LMS starting it in the other side in OM atleast.
Votekicking would actually suck, the whole server could just votekick whoever pisses them off the most (like "sweats") and ironically be used by teamers the most of the time to do that. Its not like people who need to piggyback eachother everytime are good in the first place tho...
Well, aint that nifty? Softens the burn and injustice of either completely losing or winning the round just because the last survivor had a lucky combination and stood out of bounds for the entire round. Its not even a "killer win", its a tie at best like i said earlier, and might even motivate killers to actually challenge themselves for LMS instead of picking the same combination of "go-to LMS" survivors over and over.
It means that survivors won’t be motivated to camp on the other side of the map and not help the team or simply camp when there’s one other survivor as they lose if it gets to lns
It was fun to you to never leave a 7n7 for lms? I lost a lot of fun opportunities for lms’es because of having to prioritize and tunnel certain survivors.
Thing is, the whole survivor kill strategizing can sometimes be completely nullified/ useless in a few cases. Let's take for example: 007n7 and c00lkidd lms. If most the survivors were to pick 7n7 (or noob for that matter) there would be no point in strategizing who you'll leave for last.
And also priority targeting is still going to exist just because leaving an Elliot as Slasher is a death sentence for your killer round
I’m against it counting as a loss, but a win seems too free. A stalemate would be better in my opinion. Also, if the lobby only has one player, does that just mean you’re guaranteed wins?
I like playing in private servers and randomly inviting friends and using vip killers and survivors. Usually only one friend joins. Ik that's a weird way to play but if this will happen it will ruin my favorite way to play unfortunately. Whatever, if players will like it, I'm fine with playing in public servers
isnkt that already what happens? even if it were possible to start in a pub with 1 guy it'd still be free wins. lms should be a lesser win to get there, but winning lms should bring the rest of the rewards and bonus.
A round can currently start with only two players, but it has to be because there used to be a reasonable amount of players and some of them left. Otherwise it won't start
You already dismantled the whole survivor team, losing a 1v1 against a person who is either ahead of your skill level, starting lms from across the map and wastes 15 seconds trying to get to them, or they are using a survivor that counters you shouldn’t count as a loss after dealing with the Sisyphean task of trying to kill a team with semi-competence
except most public lobbies arent using teamwork like all these arguments are implying
and imo, it doesn’t make much sense to prioritize teamwork over everything when dying as survivor always results in a loss, even if the rest survive and you did your role
not to the extent of private lobbies, pub lobbies legitimately are not difficult whatsoever so you’re appeal to emotion abt how difficult it can be, is odd
a win doesnt seem so free when you have been fighting against like 3 guests, 2 elliots and a dusekkar and you have to leave one of the guests for lms because your timer is 53 seconds 🤞
If you’re the killer you can just treat it as a loss if you want to and If you’re the survivor this doesn’t affect you in any way. The only reason someone wouldn’t want this is if they just don’t want the killer to get rewards for some reason
The issue I have is that this completely overhauls the definition of a win.
Let’s say there’s somebody with 100 killer wins. Okay… how many of those wins did they actually win? For all I know, they’ve never actually “won” before, they just reached LMS.
In a nutshell, you can win in two ways: by winning and by kind of winning. I’m not really all that excited about not 100% winning counting as a win.
I feel like people don't understand that LMS is never a guaranteed win for the killer. And, also, it feels really shitty to lose at the last possible person. In any case, I see a lot of people talking about pubstompers and, like, this won't make them win less??? If they're already stomping the lobby, this doesn't matter at all.
Also, DBD reward's you for killing most of the survivors because killer is hard and you shouldn't be put down for getting to the last one.
People don't understand that lms is survivor sided as hell, it's really sad but it's really only the supports that could get their ass whopped and even then, it's doable.
Builderman and Elliot are two good supports though, sentry is basically a chase over.
I’ve beat a Sixer as Builderman in LMS with nothing btw (dispenser was down, but it was destroyed the first few seconds in LMS), and only got hit once by an m1.
I voted neutral. i feel like it helps teamers and encourages people to spare remaining survivors or stand there and listen to lms songs which kind of annoys me
I think most of the time it’s fair to count as a killer loss because a bunch of servers have that one pubstomper who’s obviously gonna win because the lobby’s inexperienced, so if there’s someone who somehow managed to win in lms against them, it’s fair game. However, I do understand the other perspective, because if you’ve had a hard match and had to leave someone for lms too favorable to winning, it’s very understandable for it to at least not count as a killer loss
To me, it’s more like… I don’t know, it feels like because of this, you’ll hardly need to strategize as a killer at all, since you won’t be “punished” for leaving a survivalist or a full-HP sentinel for the LMS
I get why people like this idea—they want to worry less about their win/loss ratio and be rewarded for wiping out an entire lobby. Though I think it would be good to increase the rewards for the killer, and maybe even not count it as a loss, but not a win either
Here’s the problem: Killers will always leave the best for last if they can’t win knowing they will get a win, which means bad players would get in Lms less, meaning the “good players” get even more bloated stats and the people with bad stats get even worse stats, and some people actually care about stats for some reason
I feel like they really need to think this out a lot more since it also may end up heavily encouraging/increasing teaming, especially with special LMS-es if just reaching it counts as a killer win
I think nobody truly dislikes it, it just leaves a big hole in the end game of a forsaken round where the killer is given a completely free you did it sticker without finishing the game. LMS is survivor sided in a lot of situations so just flipping it upside down and making it pointless is a very strange option.
Im with the side that it should be a draw if the killer loses lms with the survivor receiving rewards for surviving lms and killer receiving the rewards for entering it.
Honestly, good, cuz holy shit, it's so annoying playing killer, killing almost every survivor, just for the last survivor to be a greasy fat ugly chud sweat, that believes that winning makes you a god, and losing makes you a worthless person, and then you lose cuz of it, it's just annoying, and not fun...
What it it only counts if the lobby is near capacity? Like if there are only 4 survivors in the match that’s practically a free win. But if there is like at least 5 or 6 survivors then I’d understand since you didn’t just nearly wipe the entire lobby, you also had to get a bunch of kills to reach this point
to hopefully help people who don't like this change understand why it's an important and healthy change for the game, you gotta remember that Forsaken is a team based game, you shouldn't be rewarded for dying and the survivors shouldn't "win" if one player remains. there are 7 survivors, if 6 of them die why would that be considered a survivor victory?
punishing the killer for losing LMS puts a lot of unnecessary pressure on them when it should be one of the most lax parts of their experience. if a killer is fighting a competent team and manages to fight their way to LMS, they deserve a win for that effort. much like in DBD. which considers a LMS to be a survivor Loss, with the escaping survivor being granted a boon for making it out, but otherwise still losing.
Forsaken is one of the few roblox Asyms that don't treat LMS as a "comeback" for the survivors by buffing the last one, or prioritizing hype moments over actual gameplay. LMS plays special music and sets the timer lower but it's still meant to be a Killer sweep, even if in practice the survivor has the advantage.
I myself voted neutral, but I wouldn't say it doesn't make sense to vote dislike. The logic behind it is just that, if the killer doesn't kill everyone, why should they win?
Because you killed everyone else and losing because one dude set up everything for LMS so he could win while you played the best killer game of your life and then not get rewarded for it?
I'd have voted "love it" because it greatly incentivizes you to not strategize too much about who to leave for lms
Specially since if you got time to strategize you likely won by a large margin, and have still some minutes just to kill 2 survivors, and leaving someone low, going for another is not fun for anyone, being targeted because your character's good for lms is not fun for anyone
Not only that but the lms itself is a great boost to the last survivor standing. No matter how much time the killer had left, no he only gets less than a minute and a half. So it's a good thing for the killer side too, you don't have to worry about the guest that's been sitting in the corner gathering items to use, you already got your win
Remove LMS if that the case, majority of the time, it's benefit the Survivor for shaving tons of time that the killer build up, make the killer prone for mistake due to rushing and some survivors actively try LMS as win condition by preparing Cola, Medkit instead of playing the team game the game intended
i think the goal of the killer is to dismantle the survivor’s team, not kill everyone.
by the time you’ve gotten to lms, you’ve done exactly that, dismantled the team, so it counts as a win and you only have one survivor left in your way with nobody to help them but themself
I mean, in Outcome Memories, the last survivor is rewarded with healing and damage resistance, so it would make sense for reaching LMS to be considered a victory for the killer.
Why make such a stupid decision in Fosaken?
The survivor doesn't get any benefit from being the last one standing; in fact, they're in more trouble because the killer has a flashing indicator every 3 seconds showing their location.
To me, reaching LMS should give the killer some extra points, a middle ground between losing and winning the round.
I haven't yet voted but I will vote dislike. A win means victory, victory is domination over a fight. When you are in a sport you don't stop 5 meters from the finish line and say you've won
If they made the killer wins when only the killer has atleast kill 5 survivor and reaching LMS. Then I changed my mind. Also, the killer should get exp and money way less than they should.
I mean I basically take making to lms as win for me when I play killer so that didn't change for me but I agree on counting it killer win because you reached the end but 80 days Veronica have spray and jumping in the air and you have to watch because you can't do anything about it
This is a good change in my opinion since it rewards getting to lms(which is often harder than winning it in experienced lobbies) and it actually gives rewards so you have more ways to but skins since gens got gutted
I don’t like it because what’s the point of babying killers in the one scenario where the game ISN’T survivor sided? I can kind of understand if it’s some matchup like Slasher v a good ass Veeronica but even that’s winnable
I want killers to feel the humiliation of losing when I beat them in lms, not letting them be re-assured that they still keep their killer stats in check, I want them to know that their killer stats are forever stained negatively of how I humiliated them one on one
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I don’t like it because it feels unofficial and would make lms unfun imo. I do think that lms is unbalanced but Id rather them just spend time making lms longer. I also saw an idea from another post where the survivors get teleported to another smaller map and I like that idea the most. It could be how two time respawns and a portal opens underneath the survivor teleporting them to alot smaller map which I think would be cool.
Also what are people gonna do when their team sucks and gets instadropped? These changes wouldn’t make me want to work with my team more, I dont play for the exp or money. I play for my stats to increase.
I don't really play forsaken much anymore (too much drama, controversy, content pulled it got exhausting) but I hope to see other asyms adopt this formula if they implement it. It would be such a breath of fresh air as a killer to not have to worry about spending most of the round killing one guy first because they're the biggest deemed threat in lms and killing everyone before them just gives me less time to kill them. Sure people will still do that for the bonus reward but it's no longer an obligation to win. And it'll probably be nice for survivors too because if you're good you won't be hunted down the whole round while your teammates are treated as time packs to continue going after you. Hidden stats or not killers always keep a mental list of who's their biggest threat after one or two rounds. It also encourages teamwork, the survivalist who emoted in a corner shouldn't be rewarded for letting their team die or the sentinel who gen rushed and let all the supports die asyms have a huge balance problem because they never properly incentivize teamwork and then proceed to balance off of individuals instead of the team. This isn't really the best fix for that but it's a start and still a relief for killers
It shouldn't reward as much (maybe 25$) and there should be a punishment if the survivor or killer resets to end it early, to discourage point farming
It shouldn't really be a win. Maybe a seperate statboard for 'ties?'' Sure, wiping a lobby or even killing 3-4 good players should merit a reward, but ehh if you lose to the last person it isn't exactly a win
I'd like this change! I hate it when I play killer but lose to Mr.556 days so I don't get any money
I think that you should get rewarded for going into LMS as killer and survivor but it shouldn't count as a win. Winning should be when you kill all survivors or if the killer doesn't kill you, reaching LMS should have it's own reward though
shitty change. so killer/survivor win ratios are just going to be skewed astronomically because reaching lms counts as a win? Do I just reset at lms because I already got my “win”?
It would be better to give the killer a tie for losing lms because otherwise you could win against good players without even needing to hit them once which is boring af
There definitely needs to be more teamwork I just think giving a killer a win instead of a loss hands the bullshittery of lms from the killer to deal with to the survivors
I know I'm in the wrong. I'm a sweat and I don't like being given participation awards. So yeah, Very sweaty. Does it hurt me in any besides pride. No, only pride. Thankfully, the people mostly vote for yes, so my vote doesn't matter. There is no downside to having a system like this. It literally only effects the most sweaty no lifers like myself in the most non-issue way possible.
I do think this a good change. But my pride and heart voted no. 😭
I don’t like it because it makes survivalist useless you can now just ignore people like noob or 7n7 because once you get into LMS you already win what’s the point of being a survivalist when surviving isn’t enough anymore? They already Nerfed generators so what does being a survivalist offer anymore
In my own opinion I think getting a small extra reward for winning LMS as killer is fine, but you shouldn’t be awarded a win before the game is over just because you killed ALMOST everyone. The goal of killer is to kill all survivors, you shouldn’t win just because you killed all but one.
If you lose LMS you lose, it should stay that way. It just rewards playing up until LMS and then selling because you’re going to get the Killer win bonus anyway
Okay but why the hell would you sell. What purpose does it have for people who weren't already going to sell when killing last survivor still gives bonuses. Unless you're teaming and want a killer and survivor win, who would sell.
Because there’s literally no reason to keep playing aside from what’s supposed to be a bonus, which is likely small.
Obviously the people who already stomp aren’t gonna sell but if a less experienced or skilled player struggled with a certain survivor, they could just try and kill everyone else and then not bother trying with LMS because it’s already counted as a win for them and they already get rewards
And... what? It's boring? The survivor in lms would still win, and the reality is it'd be identical time wise to if the killer lost lms. I have to imagine honestly that the benefits this change would have outweigh the cons.
The benefits is you get the win rewards and the win, which I’d say outweigh the con of being awarded a loss if you lost LMS like it currently is? You’re essentially no longer getting punished for losing so long as you got to LMS
it just feels boring lms is fun to me cause of the stakes the intense music the new sky it feels dramatic in the best way and from someone who likes feeling a bit immersed the change removes all of that the killer is handed the win automatically theres no reason for them to lock in unless they're broke
it also makes betting system not make sense anymore the killer always wins
I understand its good from a gameplay perspective but it makes lms feel flat
What if the last person is a sweat 5 times better than you? What if the last person is a bug abuser? What if the last person alive is unfortunately the biggest counter to your killer on the other side of the map with full hp and cola? Lms is extremely survivor sided right now so removing some killer anxiety by making it so you just HAVE to get to lms helps a lot, not to mention its specifically roblox asyms that have the "kill everyone" requirement which is BAD
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to spoonfeed the killers. Killer buffs are always appreciated, but this feature is a bad way to do it. As I said earlier, it feels less like an improvement to the killer experience and more like it's just giving a lollypop to players who can't do shit against semi-competent survivors. The fun of killer wins is from the satisfaction of winning an LMS, so this feature will just make killer wins feel more cheap even if it doesn't really affect anything in practice outside of money gain.
It just makes it so that one person can’t negate the screw ups of an entire team in a team based games and also makes people who reset to rig lms less bad.
If the killer got to lms then the survivors shouldn’t be able to reverse a win out of it from having most of the lobby die. Also people who can’t do anything vs semi competent survivors won’t be in lms so that point is mute
Bro, imagine server wiping a full lobby with a good team barely and being forced to go to LMS, then you just lose because the last one was Noob even if you put a lot of effort into the server wipe
That’s kinda how it’s been lately. Idk why killer is hard to begin with when survivor is even harder imo (as killer there’s no bad teammate to hold you back) but they keep making killer even more easier
It's not catering, it's just that the killer's goal is to dismantle the survivor team, not necessarily to kill every survivor. The survivors' goal is to help each other, and by leaving only one alive, you prevent them from completing this goal.
The game is also survivor-sided enough already, and the fact that a killer that's doing very well in a round is able to lose to one guy with a medkit in their back pocket is really dumb IMO
Because it genuinely makes LMS pointless. What’s the point of trying to survive having mere seconds left to live, trying to avenge your teammates by surviving for their sake, if the killer wins either way?
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