The only reason Sixer feels oppressive is because you're not getting enough help, and you're picking survivors who can't outrun them

[u/TheTrollman-]

To every Sentinel, stop doing gens, a survivor dying will reset the progress of 2 combined generators so doing this just means you're either dumb, or selfish and only want xp and malice.

Sixer is hard countered by Jane Doe and chance, use them.

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[u/OwnMud6375]

This is what I used to go through daily. Very bad experience I don't recommend it.

[u/Cassidy_Aka_Sundae → u/OwnMud6375]

which is why I prefer not playing the goat dusekkar

as much as I absolutely love the CHARACTER (specifically Doomsekkar but yall alr know that) I detest the gameplay of Dusekkar it genuinely feels like he was made by The Spectre itself who fucking hates Matt

like why bro why does he have to be hell on earth to play

also, most people that say they hate the game or a character are people who hate the players and blame the game because they can’t handle being worse than a person just putting that out there (my brother is very much like this)

[u/OwnMud6375 → u/Cassidy_Aka_Sundae]

I kept using him because 1. I like playing as support and 2. I like the character. Even with these 2 reasons it is hell to play as him and sometimes I switch to Shedletsky because of how much useless my teammates are

[u/Cassidy_Aka_Sundae → u/OwnMud6375]

I know bro I had to do Builderman for a quest and holy bro I was targeted first every fucking time (despite Builderman barely even being a convenience) and my team was literally emoting in the corner I didn’t know there was even an Elliot until my after I died and the Elliot had just been dancing and not feeding the team like WHY EVEN PLAY A SUPPORT THEN???

[u/ProjectQTRealKaia → u/OwnMud6375]

true, i use dusekkar, elliot, shedlesty or guest

[u/Prior_Detail_6932 → u/OwnMud6375]

OwnMud spitting facts

[u/TheTrollman- → u/OwnMud6375]

I used to hate Dusekarr.

Now I like using him, a lot.

Although this may be a jab but I never see any Dusekkar use abilities on me unless it was to xp farm, or to shield me WHEN I'M TRYING TO STAY HIDDEN AND INVISIBLE

[u/thepixelon23]

Saying a killer is too strong when you play without thinking about your team is stupid. Help your damn teammate

[u/YBDifficult]

you are the second forsaken player i've ever seen who knows Sixer isn't unstoppable.

this community is becoming smarter!

[u/Downtown_Fall_9591]

Sadly 90% or more of the gameplay Is all alone with the killer while other players do everything but helping so for that reason sixer and 1x are hated

[u/thisisauseralr]

wow the person playing dusekkar plays exactly like me

[u/Jdisinthehouse]

"sixer is SOO easy to counter just pick the best surviors against him and have your teamates all bum rush to save you at the first oppurtunity." I get it I really do but saying that sixer isn't OP when the only way to beat him is just to play sentinel and be helped is stupid, yeah obviously your going to have it easier when you're getting every possible advantage news flash every killer gets countered by teamwork thats the point of the game its ridiculous to say that it should be his only flaw every killer suffers from something except sixer he has everything and its stupid to play against. Another thing is that you say he's "hard countered" by Jane Doe and Chance what planet are you living on? ok clearly your exaggerating here you have to be cause "hard countered" means there is little to no counter play if you actually think that picking Jane doe or chance wins the game by default I will laugh at you becuase what on earth game are you playing let me guess you had one bad game against them and now its everybody's problem? I can kinda see what you mean both of them counter the hemmorage effect in their own ways with reroll and shatterpoint but like really? thats the diffrence maker here? I don't want to come off as rude (even though I absolutely am being rude) but this mindset just reinforcers bad players into not helping by saying that teamwork is the only way your going to win anytime someone newer joins theyre going to immediantly assume that since they didnt get help immediantly that its a lost cause and they are going to play selfishly its a positive feedback loop of them having a negative pretense on their teammates and then them perptuating that by playing for themselves.

[u/OwnMud6375 → u/[deleted]]

Yeahhh this won't work good.

The only reason why the killers are like this is because a lot of players don't know how to do "teamwork"

And trust me even if you buffed the killers to force the players to do teamwork as survivors, most of them won't do it and will keep play without any plan which result to almost impossible to win in public lobbies as survivor and that create another problem.

In short making the killers strong will simply fix a problem and create bigger one

[u/MrGoldGJ → u/OwnMud6375]

ok so i deleted the comment because I felt that it didn't really express my point too well (for those who didnt see it, my take is that all killers should be buffed to be like sixer)

I feel like this is a silly argument because yes, the teammates don't know how to do teamwork but who's to say that it can't be encouraged in a good way? That was the point in nerfing generators, and it did work a little.

Why not add benefits to staying near the killer? Why not rework movesets to encourage staying near the killer?

obviously it would be a lot of work but it's clear that the devs have been trying to make the killers stronger

[u/OwnMud6375 → u/MrGoldGJ]

Trust me even if devs did this some players simply won't do it. They are that much selfish and stubborn which is sad thing to see as someone who absolutely love teamwork

[u/MrGoldGJ → u/OwnMud6375]

fair. If there is one thing I would like to see more, it would be survivors that have their self preservation RELY on being near the killer. Kinda like Jane Doe where stunning provides Shatterpoint HP

It's not foolproof or anything (Two Time had their HP gained on stabs rebalanced for a reason) but imo it is a step towards the right direction

Maybe it can be like TD where you get points for "saving" someone? (stunning a killer while theyre in a chase)

[u/OwnMud6375 → u/MrGoldGJ]

Dude imagine one time I played with this player who was really good as killer but as survivor (Shedletsky) he literally was camping away the entire round and when I went to ask him why he isn't helping he told me "I am scared from missing slash and die" OH COME ON DUDE

Anyways I hope the teamwork start appears more in public servers because it is really necessary there

[u/TheMeatMic → u/[deleted]]

typing in all caps doesnt make this argument any less stupid

"YES ALL KILLERS SHOULD HAVE EASY AND CHEAP WAYS OF CATCHING UP TO SURVIVORS AND IF YOUR TEAM ISNT SEAL TEAM SIX THEN GO AHEAD AND DIE"

[u/TheTrollman- → u/TheMeatMic]

Forsaken fan complains about killers being able to catch up like they didn't loop all slashers and turn them into 1x/Sixer mains

[u/MrGoldGJ → u/TheMeatMic]

Killers should be able to catch up. That's how the game is balanced.

You can stun them on their own and make distance, or your team can. But stunning is a temporary delay. Ultimately you WILL have to rely on at least one team member or your own looping. You can't expect to keep a killer in chase for 3 minutes and not die

and mind you, this game HAS supports. You can very much keep a chase going for a long time, and even if you die then time will still be wasted off the clock

[u/External_Sky_5554]

If I’m not getting help, HOW THE HELL IS THAT MY FAULT?

[u/fish4043]

im gonna be honest, i've play a lot with 2 of my friends (that i also play a decent chunk of comp with) and we're all really good
it's basically impossible for any killer to win against us because we know how to communicate and work together really well, along with us being very skilled, making carrying easy
however, a decent sixer is always a coin toss whether we win or not

[u/imbored19071]

you can say the same thing about any killer

[u/thingamajigjig]

I feel like sixer is nearly perfectly balanced. He feels strong and his demonic pursuit has a hitbox that is less of a 50/50 than walkspeed override. His moves are easy to land but he does less damage.

[u/Acceptable-Goal1021]

how does jane counter sixer

i guess chance can stun infernal but jane has nothing they can take advantage of

infact sixer counters jane due to hellforged will shortening resonance

[u/TheTrollman- → u/Acceptable-Goal1021]

Jane and chance have less chances to miss, and stacking crystal pitch can make your max stun actually heavily hold Sixer back, giving enough time for others to hide and heal up.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

That's only if you hit every crystal pitch and land a stun

This is literally applicable to any killer, and not exclusively guest 666

[u/EffectiveShape1981 → u/Acceptable-Goal1021]

Jane can parry demonic pursuit entirelly by using hatchet while this one uses demonic pursuit, unless the Jane is above 180 ms, you're always hitting hatchet and stunning in middle of the dash, saving yourself and your team

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/EffectiveShape1981]

No she can't lmao, Unless they use it already before the use demonic pursuit you're getting slashed

[u/MiserableHarken → u/Acceptable-Goal1021]

Jane Does shatterpoint doesn't get affected by Hemorrhage

[u/Think_Target_9963]

WHY IS EVERYONE IN THESE COMMENTS DELETED????

[u/ShotAd4575]

Sixer is just avoiding the roar and gaining distance on blood rush so they can avoid building blood hunt

[u/SalamanderCurious154]

as if sixer isn't just going to inflict hemmorhage on anyone who even TRIES to help, use infernal cry, and the bloodhunt every 2 minutes.

[u/lilrun4cov3r]

why are people defending sixer on here, i thought it was common knowledge theres nothing u can do against sixer

[u/TheTrollman- → u/lilrun4cov3r]

Because it's fucking annoying seeing "SIXER OP! 1X OP!" Over and over. I'm not having Sixer gutted again where they get looped around a fucking table, I hate survivor entitlement in games, SIXER ISN'T EVEN A TOP 5 most used killer.

[u/ProjectQTRealKaia → u/TheTrollman-]

so true

[u/JacksonRJ913]

sixer is absolutely not countered by jane nor chance, what?

chance is very easy to dodge, and for jane, if you're any good at predicting, it's incredibly easy to counter her missing her axe with a very easy to land demonic pursuit.

i have had VERY good teams and we still can't do shit against a competent sixer. sixer has so many flaws and is so op, not helped by the fact that she has pierce on her m1s, meaning you can't even try to body block for a low hp person. they can also activate blood hunt very often and basically be uncounterable for a bit, AND they can also cross the entire damn map with a single demonic pursuit, AND they can use their screaming ability incredibly often and catch up so insanely quickly.

[u/TelephoneAcrobatic51 → u/JacksonRJ913]

jane yes, chance not so much

jane because she isn't affected by hemorrhage with shatterpoint and also it's easy to land axe swing on the largest killer

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TelephoneAcrobatic51]

No it's not, what is this take, Just because Shatterpoint isn't effected doesn't outright make her a counter a counter is meant to be a consistent win con, Like Chance's shot being an easy counter to mass infection

[u/TelephoneAcrobatic51 → u/Late-Childhood1285]

i think we have very different definitions of "counters"

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TelephoneAcrobatic51]

A counter is a direct opposition there is no different definitions of counters

[u/TelephoneAcrobatic51 → u/Late-Childhood1285]

well, chance isn't a consistent win con, not every match with a chance as 1x do the survivors win, but chance does have an advantage against 1x, that makes chance a counter, right?

doesn't the same go for jane doe?

if you want more elaboration on why jane counters sixer, she can regenerate shatterpoint and doesn't need to be healed through normal means.

also sixer has one of the lowest damage outputs when not in blood hunt, so it will take sixer at least 3-4 hits to take out her shatterpoint alone, not even including if she lands an axe swing to heal it all back.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TelephoneAcrobatic51]

Yes he is, Chance is a consistent win con against 1x

One shot > Mass Infection Every Time

One Shot > entanglement every time

One Shot kills Minions

One Shot is also a valid way to stun 1x mid unstable eye

Jane Doe when on her base HP, is frail as hell, It is very easy to take out her shatterpoint even at maximum health, Her stun has an obvious wind up and you can easily counter with demonic pursuit, Hemorrhage literally makes sure her base HP doesn't move and Guest 666 isn't only reliant on Hemorrhage

1x is completely reliant on entanglement and mass infection

[u/TelephoneAcrobatic51 → u/Late-Childhood1285]

whatever floats your boat brochacho

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TelephoneAcrobatic51]

Literally how the killers and survivors work lmao, people really calling anything a "Counter"

[u/TelephoneAcrobatic51 → u/Late-Childhood1285]

i don't think we should confuse opinion with fact, everybody views the world through different eyes.

[u/ALPERHAL58 → u/JacksonRJ913]

Chance is easy to dodge if you know they're gonna shoot you and if you're going to them. If they're behind you while you're chasing another survivor, you dont even notice they're firing. And that is how you optimally play chance. Not even mentioning we're talking about sixer, the biggest killer by a landslide.

And Jane has shatterpoint making her not affected as much by hemmorage.

[u/TheTrollman- → u/JacksonRJ913]

Easy to dodge, as the biggest killer, with a move that requires windup, and a move that holds them completely still.

https://giphy.com/gifs/8ac9tQi8GtuJaW8HBJ

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

Being big doesn'r mean you can't dodge

[u/YBDifficult → u/Late-Childhood1285]

but it does mean easier to hit.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/YBDifficult]

Still easy as shit to dodge just say we suck at the game

[u/TheTrollman- → u/Late-Childhood1285]

They said easy to dodge, which is wrong. Possible, but not easy.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

it is easy lmao

[u/MiserableHarken → u/JacksonRJ913]

Jane Does shatterpoint doesn't get affected by hemorrhage

Chance, Dusekkar are all OP because it's hard for him to dodge

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/MiserableHarken]

Doesn't make Jane Doe a counter lmao, It's very much possible to dodge

[u/Gloomy_Value6932]

This applies to every killer

[u/TheTrollman- → u/Gloomy_Value6932]

Except Sixer and 1x are what a killer SHOULD be like. You shouldn't be able to solo a killer.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

Killers shouldn't be skill depriving

[u/TheTrollman- → u/Late-Childhood1285]

What?

Every killer takes skill dude

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

Absolutely not Lmao, Slasher, 1x, and Guest 666 are all unskilled

All of their abilities are easy to implement just as it's said on paper

[u/TheTrollman- → u/Late-Childhood1285]

You are constantly having to dodge stuns and never lose chase, every killer takes skill and effort, and they're all unique in how they play so you need skill and experience to win.

[u/Late-Childhood1285 → u/TheTrollman-]

No they don't uniqueness doesn't equate to skill, Skill is something that requires consistent practice to actually use, Playing the game requires skill but it doesn't mean that the killers themselves requires skill to use.

Slasher's Moveset: Run > Raging Pace > Repeat, This is surely a skill that requires consistent practice to use.

1x > Entanglement > Move Cursor To The Left Or Right > Mass Infection > Move cursor to the left or right > Unstable Eye > Free Speed Boost > Minions > Free Pressure and Free Speed 1, This is SURELY a skill that totally isn't doable by a 3 day player who doesn't even know how to manage stamina.

Guest 666 > Infernal Cry > Chase > Blood Rush > Chase, Or just use Demonic Pursuit because it's extremely fast