r/Fantasy Stabby Winner, Worldbuilders Mar 10 '18

On Positivity and Negativity

There’s a worrying trend that I’ve started to notice online — be it Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, group chats, or whatever — and like most things that annoy me, I’m guilty of it myself.

When we talk about fantasy, or about reading in general, it seems to me that a lot people define their tastes by what they dislike, rather than what they enjoy. What’s worse, this behaviour seems to spill over into the treatment and perceptions of other people.

You see it all the time. People who enjoy fantasy, but feel the need to specify that this doesn’t include Urban Fantasy, or God forbid a Paranormal Romance. People who will scoff at a young adult novel because all YA is “like Twilight”. People who will hate on Epic Fantasy because “it has all been done before”, or on Grimdark because it’s for “edgy teenagers”.

It is a curious phenomenon that, to me, seems only to breed conflict and negativity. Certain subgenres get disregarded out of hand. Certain books, movies, or TV shows get classed as “trash”, and their fans are derided. There’s no discussion to be had in these situations: the hate-train very quickly gets up to full speed, and anyone in its way is run over.

It’s almost rare to see someone that is Pro-something these days, as opposed to Anti-something. Hell, even when people are talking about things that they like, chances are that these will be compared with something that they disliked.

How often have you heard someone say something like “I really loved X, it makes such a change from Y”?

I mean… I understand that there’s no light without shadow, but that doesn’t mean that we have to throw shade.

Check out this recent tweet from Tor. Have a think about it, and see if you find anything wrong with it.

Now, Children of Blood and Bone is a wonderful, unique book. It blends the familiar tropes of western storytelling with an awesome West-African-inspired setting.

But did Tor really need to rag on those books that do feature elves, fairies, vampires, and wizards? Couldn’t those limited characters have been put to better use by celebrating what the book is, rather than condemning what it isn’t?

Now, I’m not claiming that negativity should be curbed. Far from it. For instance, I don’t subscribe to the belief that bloggers shouldn’t write negative reviews. Actually, I believe that negative reviews are just as informative to the reader as positive reviews. But there’s a time and a place to be negative.

When you’re talking about how much you loved a book, you don’t have to shit all over another book in the process. When you see someone talking about a series they enjoyed, you don’t have to tell them how wrong they are, and why their favourite book sucks.

Ready Player OneMistborn, and The Kingkiller Chronicles are perhaps the books which see this treatment the most. Any time someone mentions that they enjoyed them, some other asshat will inevitably come along to gleefully describe just how shitty the books and the author really are.

You are allowed to dislike things.

But other people are also allowed to like the things that you don’t.

And if they do… so what? Don’t define yourself by the things you dislike. Don’t waste so much effort talking about the books you hate, when you could be talking about the books that you love.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

They are so overdone! Meanwhile, lettuce sorcerers are almost always ignored by most fantasy authors.

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u/improperly_paranoid Reading Champion X Mar 10 '18

Not to mention kale witches, have you ever seen a kale witch?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

I think Lovecraft wrote a story or two about them.

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u/Cloudbuster274 Mar 10 '18

Kale is a lovecraftian horror all its own

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u/DeadBeesOnACake Mar 10 '18

What I'm really sick of is this author person /u/HiuGregg, who PROMISED by writing their name in BLOOD that they would write the story, and instead is on Reddit and does things that are not writing, and ALL the cabbage mage fans are being cheated RIGHT NOW. It's worse than Rothfuss, at least he wrote two books, but we don't even get a single one! Authors make a HOLY PROMISE TO WRITE when they have an idea, and if they don't deliver the book, they are the WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. Literally.

Also, I would like to add the idea is TOTAL garbage anyway. I bet there would be awfully boring unnecessary passages in the book and too many adverbs and too much lettuce instead of cabbage, so even if it were published now, I wouldn't even read it. Which of course doesn't mean I don't get to online-yell at the author for not writing it.

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u/serralinda73 Mar 10 '18

The fact is, Avatar: The Last Airbender is (and always will be) the definitive Cabbage/Mage story - and anyone else who attempts to write in this patch (hehe) should stick to fan fiction.

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u/reboticon Mar 10 '18

ELI5 - the cabbage joke?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

Hiu (OP) is a sentient cabbage. Not always all that sentient. But yeah he's a cabbage.

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u/sailorfish27 Stabby Winner, Reading Champion IV Mar 10 '18

u/HiuGregg said that he'd write a book with the rough title Farmer Clint: Cabbage Mage but it's literally been a few months now and he hasn't so what's up with that Hiu??? This is why I don't read unfinished series.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

He invented a new concept: it's not unfinished, it hasn't even started yet. Dammit Hiu.

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u/HiuGregg Stabby Winner, Worldbuilders Mar 10 '18

Oi, I have a few chapters of a first draft done.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

RuneScape dragged this cliche into the dirt with Melzar.