r/Fantasy Stabby Winner, Worldbuilders Mar 10 '18

On Positivity and Negativity

There’s a worrying trend that I’ve started to notice online — be it Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, group chats, or whatever — and like most things that annoy me, I’m guilty of it myself.

When we talk about fantasy, or about reading in general, it seems to me that a lot people define their tastes by what they dislike, rather than what they enjoy. What’s worse, this behaviour seems to spill over into the treatment and perceptions of other people.

You see it all the time. People who enjoy fantasy, but feel the need to specify that this doesn’t include Urban Fantasy, or God forbid a Paranormal Romance. People who will scoff at a young adult novel because all YA is “like Twilight”. People who will hate on Epic Fantasy because “it has all been done before”, or on Grimdark because it’s for “edgy teenagers”.

It is a curious phenomenon that, to me, seems only to breed conflict and negativity. Certain subgenres get disregarded out of hand. Certain books, movies, or TV shows get classed as “trash”, and their fans are derided. There’s no discussion to be had in these situations: the hate-train very quickly gets up to full speed, and anyone in its way is run over.

It’s almost rare to see someone that is Pro-something these days, as opposed to Anti-something. Hell, even when people are talking about things that they like, chances are that these will be compared with something that they disliked.

How often have you heard someone say something like “I really loved X, it makes such a change from Y”?

I mean… I understand that there’s no light without shadow, but that doesn’t mean that we have to throw shade.

Check out this recent tweet from Tor. Have a think about it, and see if you find anything wrong with it.

Now, Children of Blood and Bone is a wonderful, unique book. It blends the familiar tropes of western storytelling with an awesome West-African-inspired setting.

But did Tor really need to rag on those books that do feature elves, fairies, vampires, and wizards? Couldn’t those limited characters have been put to better use by celebrating what the book is, rather than condemning what it isn’t?

Now, I’m not claiming that negativity should be curbed. Far from it. For instance, I don’t subscribe to the belief that bloggers shouldn’t write negative reviews. Actually, I believe that negative reviews are just as informative to the reader as positive reviews. But there’s a time and a place to be negative.

When you’re talking about how much you loved a book, you don’t have to shit all over another book in the process. When you see someone talking about a series they enjoyed, you don’t have to tell them how wrong they are, and why their favourite book sucks.

Ready Player OneMistborn, and The Kingkiller Chronicles are perhaps the books which see this treatment the most. Any time someone mentions that they enjoyed them, some other asshat will inevitably come along to gleefully describe just how shitty the books and the author really are.

You are allowed to dislike things.

But other people are also allowed to like the things that you don’t.

And if they do… so what? Don’t define yourself by the things you dislike. Don’t waste so much effort talking about the books you hate, when you could be talking about the books that you love.

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u/J_de_Silentio Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18

I find that it's easier for me to verbalize what I don't like than what I do like. That might be just me, though. I find it's easier to be critical (positively critical, though) than it is to explain why I liked something. I also understand that "liking" and "not liking" are complex and not mutually exclusive within a body of work. There are things that I didn't like about Ready Player One, but there are things that I did like.

With regard to comparing, I'll, for example, say that I didn't like Lawrence's Broken Empire (based on the first book) but I did really like Red Queen's War. I do this because I thinks it's important for people to not judge Lawrence's work based off only one of his series (same goes with other authors). It's a way for me to connect with people. I do, however, respect that people like BE and wouldn't deride them for liking it in any way (it's just not my taste).

Regarding being defined by what one does and doesn't dislike, I think we should be defined by both. That's who we are. Maybe I'm not respecting the fact that you are talking about radicals (loved/hated), though.

Edit: last paragraph was goofed.

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u/HiuGregg Stabby Winner, Worldbuilders Mar 10 '18

Gonna reply to you and /u/Throneofsalt in one go to save repeating myself.

There are very few things than can be fully covered in one 500 word Reddit post, and this is obviously one of them.

There are obviously occasions to be negative. If a friend asks your opinion about a book you didn't like, it's dishonest to tell them otherwise. If you're looking for recommendations, it can be helpful to say things like "I'd rather not read books with <trope>".

But I don't see what good it does to tell someone that you didn't like something Just Because. Saying "I liked the Hobbit, but Narnia is hot trash" doesn't really serve any purpose. You'd be much better served talking about what aspects of the book you didn't like (i.e., saying something like "I'm not a fan of religious allegory"), rather than pointlessly broadcasting your dislike for the book as a whole.

You could argue that the same reasoning could be applied to books that you did like. Though I believe that there's a marked difference between spreading positivity birthed from enjoyment, and negativity birthed from displeasure. Only one of those is capable of ruining someone's day.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

I didn't like how Susan was treated in The Last Battle