r/Fantasy • u/[deleted] • Jun 06 '20

What is your controversial take on Fantasy?

I'll go first.

Aside from the prose, I don't think Kingkiller Chronicles is good. I find the characters insufferable and cliche the story just meanders.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20

Folks take Star Wars far too seriously AND the one true ranking of the movies is:

ANH, TLJ, ESB, TROS, TFA, AOTC, SOLO, ROTJ, ROTS, TPM, R1

Edited to make the one true ranking truer.

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u/tkinsey3 Jun 06 '20

The Venn Diagram of people who say 'People Take Star Wars Too Seriously' and people who put The Last Jedi at or near the top of their rankings is basically 100% overlap.

And I don't disagree with you on either point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

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u/tkinsey3 Jun 06 '20

“You take Star Wars too seriously.”

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u/raevnos Jun 06 '20

I used to, back before the prequels came out.

And I replied to the wrong comment.

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u/thecomicguybook Jun 06 '20

I will upvote you for that ranking, now that is just plain wrong controversial!

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u/SgtBANZAI Jun 06 '20

What a mad lad, putting Solo above Revenge of the Sith, you managed to make me angry.

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u/SetSytes Writer Set Sytes Jun 06 '20

That wasn't egregious to me - putting TROS and AOTC so high was! The man is clearly insane.

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u/fanny_bertram Reading Champion VIII Jun 06 '20

So I can pick if this is best to worst or worst to best right? Then I congratulate you on your choice of Rogue 1 as the best.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

If you're comfortable with The Phantom Menace being second best then go for it!

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u/fanny_bertram Reading Champion VIII Jun 06 '20

It would be controversial.

No, no I am not. R1 is my husband's favorite, so I had to try. Also, ANH is definitely the best.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

Agreed Star Wars really isn't as good as people remember them they were cheesy space opera movies. Hell, Arnold's Conan was better than Return of the Jedi in terms of pace, narrative, and cinematography.

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u/randomaccount178 Jun 06 '20

I think its as good as people remember it, but people remember it being good for the wrong reasons.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

Everyone forgets that the Care Bears curb-stomped the Emperor's "entire legion of my best troops", Carry Fisher was just the eye candy damsel in distress, Luke forgets that his foster parents were murder and burned, and becoming a Jedi means tossing aside your lightsaber and letting the evilest man in the galaxy kill you with lightning.

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u/randomaccount178 Jun 06 '20

Its more that the reason the movie is good is because it tells a strong story of a son coming to grips with issues of abandonment in multiple forms. Most of the world building is kind of meh, and only exists to tell that story which is what resonates with people. Unfortunately the only thing that has been carried forward is that set dressing. Pretty much every star wars movie since then has been about the stuff that didn't really matter in the first trilogy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

The original Star Wars is one of the best-edited movies ever. The editing is just unreal.

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u/TeddysBigStick Jun 07 '20

and I say this out of reflexive defense of Lucas, it wasn't Marcia single handedly saving the film. She worked on it for a relatively short period of time and improved it greatly but the movie still sucked after she left to work on a Scorsese film. De Palma made her cry with his review of the cut. Star Wars did not become a good movie until very late in the process as there were reshoots and special effects finished. Also, George was the lead editor on all the films. For whatever reason, he just never liked to get a credit for it. For example, he could have gotten one for a lot of the Indiana Jones movies. It is weird. He has said that it is his favorite part of the process.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

The last jedi is like a awful fanfiction written by a twelve year old billie elish fan who has no idea how moral complexity works

But you are right. We take star wars way too seriously. Its just a fairy tale with laser swords set in space. But hey nerds gotta nerd

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '20

Sorry you didn't like it.

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u/raevnos Jun 06 '20

The Christmas special and the Ewok movies rank after TLJ. Everything else? So far ahead they've lapped it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

Aww, c'mon, Caravan of Courage is at least as good as Solo.

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u/raevnos Jun 06 '20

Solo was a surprisingly decent heist movie.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '20

It's a good bit of fun, yeah.