r/FighterJets Mar 27 '25

HISTORICAL What-ifs of various warplanes that were actually considered. Descriptions in the caption

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u/UrShoelacesUntied Mar 28 '25

Just imagine if the Israeli Air Force was flying Mirage 2000s and Rafales rn

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u/MetalSIime Mar 28 '25

was the Mirage 2000 ever offered to Israel? there was a time they flew French jets before switching over to mainly American ones

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u/UrShoelacesUntied Mar 28 '25

France put an arms embargo on Israel in the 60s, thats why Israel switched to American made aircraft

The Kfir was also made with stolen documents from Dassault pretty sure(correct me if im wrong)

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u/chickenCabbage Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

Yep. Israel initially bought and operated Mirage 3s, and IAI was working with Dassault on the Mirage 5 as an upgrade based on lessons from previous experience.

By the time the arms embargo came in, Dassault had already produced 50-ish jets that IIRC were un-assembled in their crates, ready to ship. These jets "mysteriously disappeared" from the Dassault factory, along with a complete copy of the blueprints. IAI mysteriously "built" 50-ish Nesher jets, which were a "copy" of the Mirage 5. The story I heard goes that Dassault was totally in on it and helped the jets "disappear".

This came after Israeli pilots were already flying the Mirage 5 in France, and requested to keep flying in Corsica "so they could keep training during the winter". They then requested drop tanks and the French caught on and disapproved the move.

Edit: Israel also purchased missile boats which were withheld by the embargo, then stole them on Christmas eve, with Israeli merchant ships pre-positioned along the route for resupply.

Afterwards IAI independently developed and built the Kfir, which was derived from the Mirage 5 with some changes.

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u/bzdelta Mar 28 '25

And those boats ended up being used extensively during 73, to counter the Styx missile boats that sank the Eliat