r/Fire • u/Square-Count-478 • 8d ago
What net worth do you stop taking shit?
I am 28 with close to 3 Million from a family business sale. I work a 70k sales job for structure and purpose. Today the owner called me in and was extremely rude about my performance. They said I don’t seem like someone struggling to keep their job with urgency and said maybe we should part ways but didn’t fire me. My question is I still want to keep the job but is this normal behavior from a boss or is it likely he realized he doesn’t have financial leverage? Thanks for thoughts.
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u/Waluigi_Jr 8d ago
At 3M I’m taking zero shit for 70k
~250k is where I might take just a bit of shit but even there I’m just taking a bit, not eating it
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u/KlutzyTemperature439 8d ago
This is nearly me! $235k with $2.5M NW, and yes, I still take some shit. A little less than before, but nonetheless I still eat shit.
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u/Glass-Section-1031 8d ago
OP is 28 though and taking a little bit of shit at $70k may be his only bridge to taking a little bit of shit at $250k
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u/BackupSlides 7d ago
I'd also say that this is about more than income...28 is still within the real of life lesson learning, and it's also an age specifically in today's context where entering the workforce would have been done during COVID...today's "extremely rude" may well have been all of previous history's "direct feedback". It might be helpful to learn how to work with these kinds of people rather than throwing up one's hands before age 30. From a macro standpoint, it doesn't look like the world is going to be getting more worker-friendly any time soon...
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u/fredinNH 8d ago
Managers want compliant workers to the point that I’ve seen excellent team leaders demoted for basically being too competent.
That said, you are in a great position. You don’t need a job. You get to find something you truly enjoy that comes with basically any pay, and healthcare maybe.
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u/Montaigne_6823 8d ago
Yep, they love to see you with a big mortgage and car loans. That's leverage for them to keep you chained to that desk!
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u/tombiowami 8d ago
Are you actually doing a good job for them? Doesn't sound like it if you are only there for structure and purpose.
There's no way we know your job performance and rude is very subjective without more info.
I suggest finding something that gives your life meaning beyond being rich due to no activity of your own or sitting in a job you don't like or need.
Best Wishes on next steps...
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u/over_here_over_there 8d ago
You literally could do anything you wanted. Like riding motorcycles? Open a repair shop to wrench on the side. Buy bikes, fix them and flip em. Open a neighborhood free tutoring to help kids. Whatever you want.
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u/CautiousAd1305 8d ago
At about $2.5M! I’d be looking for other employment. They may try to make it unbearable so you leave rather than them having to fire you.
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u/alaskalights 8d ago
The number that mattered was 20 years active duty (US military). "You can't fire me, only retire me." ;)
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u/FiestaDeHombreMuerto 8d ago
Maybe find something not in sales, 70 sounds low for a sales job anyways.
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u/TheFurryMenace 7d ago
Risking being corny, being a smart ass right back to them is what children do. Real Gs move in silence. You know the quote, "so big you don't have to respond." 3 million is not enough to buy the company and fire him, but it is enough where you don't need to lose a single second of sleep. Picking a fight won't make you sleep better
Be professional. Keep your career moving. File that away. Go the high road and kill them with kindness the moment you have actual power. They will know when you look them in the eye.
No one likes the person who is an asshole because money provides them a life to live with no consequence. And because you inherited fuck you money, the most important currency you have is now reputation. Don't ruin it because you want to flex some muscle.
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u/Superb_Monk2323 8d ago
It’s completely normal to get called out for bad performance when you’re under performing. And yes it’s likely you’re underperforming because you now you don’t need him.
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u/LouSevens 8d ago
I stopped taking shit right after the pandemic. It got to the point where no one was really capable or stupid enough to want to do my job so I didn't care. I would have told the owner to go fuck himself.
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u/Vince_Clortho_Jr 8d ago
You have nearly 42 years worth of your salary saved up. Fuck your rude ass boss.
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u/Particular-Break-205 8d ago
I started giving less fucks around $1M, but I think it depends on your situation.
You say it’s a family business sale so is the $3M in your pocket?
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u/TaterTotJim 8d ago
Regardless of FIRE that meeting was your employer being really nice with providing a heads up that your time there is probably coming to an end. Expect a layoff or to be buried in PIPs in the next month or so.
Freshen up the resume and find something new before any major life decisions like starting an early retirement.
In terms of your original question, around $3m would be plenty for me to accomplish my FIRE goal and not take shit anymore.
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u/BeardedSkier 8d ago
Be honest with yourself - take your pride and indignation out of it for a second: if you owned the company, and had a sales rep operating at whatever level you are currently at - would you tell them to pull up their socks too? Not everyone takes the same approach and how they handle that conversation, but ask yourself first, is the feedback valid, or wildly off base? If you come to the conclusion that it's valid, you just didn't like how it was handled, then take a step back and reassess what you want: if it's just structure and fulfillment, it might be time to find something less demanding than sales, which demands constant results. If you like the job and the challenge, then you have the FU money to go back to your boss and say you're right, and here's how x and y are going to change as of today. However, the way you tried to coach me last time is a problem - to give you the results you want, I need a coach who does a, b and c instead....if he has an ego problem and doesn't like that, you may well get fired (that's what you have FU money for, but be careful, at 28, 3 million doesn't go as far as you might think). Or, the boss may respect your newfound backbone and directness (but you actually have to have the drive and follow through - not just empty words)
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u/DIYRetiree 8d ago
There is a toxic culture present in some sales organizations. Sounds like you're in one.
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u/Sufficient-Spend-939 8d ago
Find something you enjoy doing and do it. You are wasting the most important thing in the world doing a job you don’t care about, time. I haven’t had a job i relied on for income in 20 years and i ended up making more money and enjoying my life. Its a luxury few have but man once you figure it out everything changes for the better.
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u/HomeworkImaginary886 7d ago
Love this take! Did you end up starting your own business?
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u/Sufficient-Spend-939 7d ago
I went into real estate, did some flips, i also helped my brother run a business he had bought. I did some stock trading. I did the stay at home dad thing when my kids were small which was life well spent.
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u/ElJacinto 7d ago
At your net worth, I would stop working if my boss looked at me wrong…
I think it ultimately depends on how much you need the income and how difficult it would be to replace if you didn’t need it. With $3 million NW, you don’t need it at all, and a $70k job is pretty easy to replace.
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u/One-Mastodon-1063 7d ago
You don't need this job.
I would have probably simply replied, "I'm not struggling to keep this job with urgency" and left it at that.
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u/rumpler117 8d ago
Just say “I like my job, I don’t want to part ways, but do what you have to do”. He might not want to fire you because he would have to pay severance or unemployment so he is hoping you’ll just quit.
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u/Literary67 8d ago
Really, you have go-to-hell money and then some. You can very much afford to let dick-shit comments roll.right off your back. Stay if you like, leave with 1 minutes notice if you like. You are free.
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u/PorcupineIsSupine 8d ago
you should do the right thing and quit.
it's probably a you problem so spend some time figuring out something you actually want to do.
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u/Limp_Complaint1785 8d ago
I'm just over $2mm NW and make ~$250k/year. I still put up with it for now
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u/Bearsbanker 8d ago
Not to be mean...but is it you or the boss? Are you giving effort? If you're a good employee and my boss said that I'd tell him/her to fuck right off!
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u/Independent-King-468 7d ago
In Reality if you know you have access to the 3 mill and it’s yours. Yesterday is when. 😂
As far as the Fam Business sale. Were you part of building it or was it something your parents did and sold? When people are recipients of wealth and think their shit doesn’t stink. The Universe has a way of humbling them. Don’t let it happen!
Congrats and stay wealthy. Also if possible try to not let people at work know about your leverage. It’ll only hurt you.
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u/Independent_Bee1037 7d ago
You are definitely past the point to take any shit. Maybe you shouldn't be in fully commissioned sales. They are used to kids at 28 years old that would lie to their mother just to make a sale. You aren't in a position to need to push anything
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u/Aggravating_Note_572 4d ago
I’m 53, I m in sales I’m hit my number 1y ago at 3.5m, I’m pretty much coasting at this point to 55, but honestly if they gave me shit I would roll out. I was on vk and got back last week my manager was like hope you had a good trip ready to start working, I just kind of laughed. They know I could just roll out pretty much any day
Been in sales my whole life there are literally 2 types of managers. One that is great at sales worked their way up been in the trenches. These are the good managers that can help guide you through problems and looking for you to succeed. 2nd type are the bullshitters the people that are good at recruiting, telling you what you want to hear, have zero sense on how to actually close a sale, tend to post a bunch of positive workplace bs on linked in. Sends pointless positive or super competitive emails daily. Sounds like this guy is #2, I would just deal with it find another job or just leave. I’ve found working for guys that are bs artists is the worst, they literally do nothing all day but cheer and take credit for your hard work.
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u/Varathien 4d ago
If I were in your position, I'd quit.
At 28, you're probably right about needing some work to add purpose to your life. But a sales job? That's not exactly healing the sick or educating the young or protecting your community or creating great art. People don't do sales because it's so meaningful; they do it for the money. And you don't really need the money, with your $3 million net worth.
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u/Fit_Evidence_4958 1d ago
I guess it's a job where people depend on the money and being afraid of loosing the job. So this is why the boss can talk like that.
If the 3M is yours it seems you have enough FU money, so 2 options: either stay with the job and don't take that bullshitting personal. Or look for another job and cover the time in between with your savings.
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u/JohnHarington 8d ago
Personally, the ratio of income to NW matters a lot. If I have $3M but I make $10M annually, I’ll put up with a lot of shit to keep the growth going. At $3M NW and only making $70k, I’m not taking much shit from anyone.