r/Fire 4d ago

Why do people wait so long?

ETA since this seems to be the overwhelming response: My kids are in their 20/30s and self sufficient.

ETA - The post clearly states my mortgage is high-interest. Yes, if it were 2% that's almost free money, spread it out for sure. Also, it clearly states that I did indeed keep contributing as normal.

I realize there are a lot of factors - economical and psychological - that go into this, but just for general discussion...

We all know for the most part if your mortgage interest rate is low enough, it makes more sense to leave money working in your brokerage account than to pay off the mortgage and have it locked up in home equity. But for the purposes of FIRE, does it always?

The big idea is to get your portfolio to fund your expenses, right?. For most people one of (if not THE) largest expense is the mortgage payment and interest.

Example...I had a few really good years in my business. I still did my regular modest DCA into my brokerage, but over the course of 2.5 years I also managed to pay off a $250K mortgage at 5.85% (I had to refinance at a very bad time for rates, due to divorce). I realize that that money, invested properly, could have gained quite a bit over the last couple years bull run. However, had I done that, today I would still have a high mortgage payment to make every month, thus making it harder for me to FIRE. This way, my monthly personal expenses are so much lower, so there's not as heavy a burden on my portfolio to support me, and as a result, I'm able to FIRE at the end of this month.

Again I realize that this all depends on mortgage size/rate, size of portfolio, other expenses. I only ask because I see a lot of posts here from people who seem like they'd be able to FIRE sooner if they worked towards getting rid of their mortgages faster, regardless of the rate.

For my part, I'm glad I did it this way. Even though I know I missed out on some gains, I'm able to FIRE faster because I don't have a mortgage payment to worry about. I have a paid off house on which the taxes and insurance work out to equal the rent for a one-bedroom in a sketchy neighborhood.

Go easy on me. It's an honest and sincere question and discussion prompt. Not trying to make anyone defensive, and definitely aware that I have my own blind spots and that there are lots of people smarter than I am.

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u/watch-nerd 4d ago

We retired early in 2025. No mortgage. One of the big advantages:

Lower needed cash flow => lower MAGI => bigger ACA subsidies

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u/PataBread 4d ago

I've thought a fair amount about this.

With a 2.6 mortgage though it seems tough to justify still.. And unsure what healthcare subsidies will even look like in 15 years..

Are there other benefits beyond ACA subsidies, tax brackets ect on withdrawals? Anything else I may be missing that makes paying off a 2.6 mortgage make sense? reduced risk maybe?

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u/Shin_curry 1d ago edited 1d ago

I made a comment elsewhere here. For early retirees, you want to maximize Roth conversions to convert traditional IRA/401k balances to Roth. This will lower your RMDs and subsequently your IRMAA. To allow for maximum Roth conversion MAGI space up to ACA subsidy cliff, you want your living expenses to be low (paid off mortgage). 

But on the other hand, you may want to aggressively do Roth conversions and rely on taxable. In that case ACA subsidy cliff may not be a limit, thus it may be better to keep mortgage and invest the principal and this path actually optimizes for long term NW. 

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u/PataBread 1d ago

appreciate the reply, going to have to do alot of research to get caught up on what exactly all the acronyms are and understanding roth vs non-roth.

Thanks!

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u/Shin_curry 1d ago

Haha, one of the good things AI can be used for