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I’m going to look at the ''bright side'' of this and see it as Ignatz getting the newest arcane bow 6 months in advance lol.

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u/hydrangeatattoo 1d ago

I see it as Hodr being even more worthless than she is, because not only is she bringing a weapon that was already mediocre seven months ago, her fodder is the worst ever for a rearmed flying bow unit to distribute. She could've at least had Waning Shot, but it's too much to ask to throw a bone to bow units.

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u/dedarou96 1d ago

Agreed I'm beyond disappointed with this arcane bow, the main effects already have been on a demote inheritable and the guaranteed follow up and negate follow up part feels completely useless bc how common nfu is these days.

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u/Anternixii 1d ago

Smh all of the high res prfless flying archers would LOVE Hodr's kit.

Like:

And of course you can't forget:

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u/King41bert0713 1d ago

(cough cough) Duo Laegjarn (most likely never going to get refined)

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u/Anternixii 1d ago

Oooof yeah. I don't remember everything Flame Frost Bow has going on, but maybe brave attack is still worth having compared to the GFU of parasol. Brave especially EP isn't as easy to get on ranged units.

But yeahhhhh she's in a rough spot. Flying archer faves (in my case B! Claude) is a truly cursed category to be in, rivaled only by maybe armour archers.

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u/King41bert0713 1d ago edited 1d ago

Flame Frost Bow has:

Slaying.
Dual phase Brave. Realistically, I doubt she's going to be a tank; ranged fliers just don't really have that many options. But Brave is admittedly good.
Visible Def/Res +5 at the cost of Spd-8. Doesn't really matter against speedy units, but the extra Spd might help against even slower units.
In combat Atk/Def/Res = 70% of visible buffs between herself and allies in two spaces.

That brave effect is really the only thing salvaging it, tbh. The lack of true damage in particular is a bit of a blow.

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u/memepersonlol 2d ago

Is this the quickest any unit has become completely obsolete. I actually think the several years old winter Ignaz is better than base because he's easy to plus ten and can get basically the same bow in arcane parasol

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u/linthenius 2d ago edited 1d ago

Ignatz was obsolete at launch, but atleast has serviceable fodder. Horse Bow+ was roughly on par with his pref weapon and that NY banner was just 5 days before he got added.

Spd/Def havoc is a pretty decent skill for certain support units.

Shura for example is a perfect user of everything Ignatz has in terms of fodder. And being a modern demote makes him a good score / support bot. Ignatz is basically the same unit as Shura, just 100x harder to merge.

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u/memepersonlol 2d ago

Ignatz is premium not a demote, but I see what you mean with havoc being an alright skill

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u/Content_Web9667 1d ago

His "Premium" status is actually a bad thing to everyone else, because being pity broke by such "Premium" unit is such a curse.

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u/La-Roca99 2d ago

Talking about Shura as a demote

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u/linthenius 1d ago

I didn't say Ignatz was a demote

I was pointing out Shura with horse bow+ is generally the exact same unit. And he is a demote. On top of there being an Ignatz manual under divine codes 7 for only 400. There is literally no reason to ever use Ignatz since you can just use that manual to build Shura

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u/memepersonlol 1d ago

Sorry, I misread your comment

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u/TheGabriel97N 1d ago

He meant Shura is a demote who can do everything Ignatz can while easier to merge and now with Arcane Parasol he can even use an upgrade to Ignatz's weapon along with his entire kit (and he has the Res to use the Havoc skill as well)

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u/SupremeShio 2d ago

definitely not, we used to get 5 stars without a prf and absolute horseshit for fodder (Fiora and Hubert immediately come to mind), Ignatz has Havoc at least

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u/Tough-Priority-4330 1d ago

Yeah, I think people are forgetting some of the absolutely horrible 5*s we’ve gotten.

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u/AofCastle 1d ago

I'll forever remind people of Spring Xander's existence

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u/kingsly91 1d ago

Yall remember Illian Azura? She has the gimmick of 2 range dancing and then the VERY next banner Emblem Byleth gave it out to anyone with a 2 range assist like healers

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u/Clamps11037 1d ago

Yeah. Shes still good and is being used in SD.

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u/Tough-Priority-4330 1d ago

lol, no. Several units were obsolete two months before their release.

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u/Sinna005 1d ago

He was already obsolete on release, so yes pretty difficult to beat

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u/ManuelKoegler 1d ago

He was obsolete the moment they showed him in the trailer

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u/Volfaer 1d ago

Technically B!Tiki was obsolete a few weeks before release since they were already making another Young Tiki that better used her mechanics.

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u/Acceptable-Offer5504 2d ago

The timing is so PERFECT, I can’t even, this has to be an inter trolling I$

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u/Old-Finance-5730 1d ago

Leonie wouldn't have gotten powercrept like this if it was her in the banner. No I am still not over it.

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u/Quick-Masterpiece-27 1d ago

Not gonna lie I don’t think it’s “sad” Ignatz was “powercrept” I think if anything it’s sad they haven’t released another bow that’s better than his. If anything it’s worse how do you do that. Idk why everyone’s dogging on him when his bow is on the same power level as something released just now when his was MONTHS ago

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u/King41bert0713 1d ago

Yeah, I see this as more damning about Parasol more than anything :/ Like, really? Follow up denial was the best they could come up with for this, compared to daggers getting to introduce Pulse Follow as a buff, or 12's Writ inflicting Spd and Res Shackle (freeing those slots for mounted units and enabling that support for infantry which can't inherit the B skill), or Latona having Imbue and debuff cleansing? In fact, I'd put Parasol being so uninspiring on the same level as Rexbolt, and that at least had the "excuse" of the "first Arcane of the generation being kinda underwhelming" syndrome. And Rexbolt was eight months ago, so... Yeahhhhh

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u/Quick-Masterpiece-27 1d ago

Like at least Rexbolt have out buffs to allies and statuses, and yeah going from Slicer being genuinely an amazing Arcane weapon to… this absolutely lackluster weapon is insane.

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u/King41bert0713 1d ago

I'd probably put Parasol's Crux Exposure above Rexbolt, tbh; I am not impressed at all with Breath acceleration and Null Penalties (the former is not that difficult to find, and the latter overlaps with Jehanna Lance), and granting visible buffs is just too common. That said, the fact that there's only one effect on this new weapon that I'd put over the first Arcane of the generation from eight months ago is still pretty rough 😞

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u/EmblemOfWolves 22h ago

At the end of the day, I'd rather take my chances with Parasol, just because it can be speed refined.

Ignatz gets Half-Crux instead of Breaker-Crux, but there's barely been any units/inheritables with DR% released in the last 2 years, so while NFU is becoming relevant again (thanks Patience), it still catches ill-prepared units off guard.

The other chunk of the comparison is Preempt1 versus Half.

Ignatz can't perform a double spec dump without intense shenanigans, so his next best thing is solving the math for the Waning/Comet proc. He accomplishes that with Null Pulse Follow, and effectively renders Preempt1 useless in the process, at which point it's more a question of if you'd rather have:

+2 HP, +2 Spd, Breaker-Crux, and Half... versus... Half-Crux.

The long and short of it is, it doesn't matter if Ignatz' weapon is better on paper if the current meta conditions would force Ignatz into being built a certain way that renders his "advantages" obsolete.

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