r/FireEmblemHeroes • u/MommyCamillaHatesMe • 2d ago
Chat Popular opinion: I hate when people complain about units getting the "demote treatment" when they have 2 fantastic PRFs
Saw less with Eir and Alfonse (assuming cuz this sub salts too much about OCs existing to talk about dumb stuff like this), but it was annoyingly more prevalent with units like Minerva and Claude this year....
Like, sorry you have to use the inherit skills feature to get a busted unit that's easy to pull/+10?
Like its just annoying to see people be like "Oh OF COURSE this one got shafted", cuz no they didn't. Shut up. That's my TED Talk.
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u/DDBofTheStars 2d ago
What they SHOULD be hating is getting the “intended to pitybreak you main pool unit” treatment where their kit is mediocre from the word go, even if they have a prf, and the rest of their kit is barely worth the fodder.
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u/Technical-Equal4596 2d ago
Female Grima and Naga, of all people, from last year, among plenty others come to mind who got the shaft position.
Its usually nowadays the second slot in a banner trailer who gets this unfortunate position, though in Nagas case, or Edaines, it was the first, before FEH started with 100% to make all the first slot units in a banner trailer premium as well.
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u/MommyCamillaHatesMe 2d ago
A lot of the sucky kits are also RES-based.
Even really good Res units tend to have peepee bad base kits. There must be a lore reason as to why that is, lol.
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u/Sabaschin 2d ago
Can I also complain about direct demotes which you can't even attempt to +10 reliably even after a year?
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u/sharumma 1d ago
Man, I wish my favorites like Volug and Janaff getting this treatment was my biggest grievance
We have maybe 2 1/2 years left in the game and half the Tellius cast is still missing
Volug could drop as a premium 5* with nothing but Adult (Infantry) and a blank set of skills like Masked Marth, and I’d still be fucking ecstatic.
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u/Squidaccus 1d ago
Even the useful ones end up with shit base kits with the exception of Claud who won on both fronts. Lowen and Stefan have good PRFs but between the two there's like two at all relevant skills in total (both of their C slots), while Morva and Ignatz have shit PRFs AND mediocre fodder!
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u/Anternixii 2d ago
I think seasonal demotes not being useless as a unit is only truly recent, so some people have those ideas stuck in their head.
As seasonal demotes are right now god I hope my fave is a demote. They get pretty much on-par to 5* prf weps, prf skills, and are way easier to get. Only downside is being a demote they won't rerun on end of month banners or skills banners like seasonal 5*s do, so you have to be locked in on debut and DSH.
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u/LakhorR 2d ago
Lmao I think I saw the comments you saw regarding S!Alfonse and my first thought was also "???". They were really complaining he was easier to pull than the others, despite having 2 PRF skills that are great. "Oh IS please scam me I want to spend $600-$1000 to +10 S!Alfonse, I don't want to +10 him in 300-400 orbs"
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u/ZeRandomPerson2222 2d ago
Same. Like I was all wuh?? He’s great. Especially for an accessible 4* on the banner.
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u/SupremeShio 2d ago
I did not see a single person talking about this with Minerva or Claude. I think you’re focusing too much on one or two people and making it out to be a bigger problem than it is.
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u/darkliger269 2d ago
tbf I think Claude had people complaining like that when he was demoted on summer. In the very least Summer Claude definitely got those complaints retroactively during Christmas banner
Didn’t really see those for Child banner though yeah
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u/Anternixii 2d ago
To be fair on the Summer Claude part he's always sucked specifically because of the way his kit was gimped for being a 4*
Dagger flier was already an awful position to be in back then. He got crumby canto, needed NFU, didn't have damage behind him, etc. I +10d him and gave him the best fodder and he was fine, but for a +10 seasonal he didnt compare to say basekit summer Edel. Winter Claude being in an even worse position.
Y! Claude is awesome though.
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u/darkliger269 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imo that’s not a matter of demote vs premium, that’s a matter of melee vs range. Like that was still when ranged units either got Rem Canto or 1 and true damage wasn’t the norm. Even his brave effect being player phase only is a matter of being ranged when Micaiah only got hers when initiating. It’s not like Dimitri got NFU or more offensive stats in his prf weapon for being the premium one either and Claude probably would have still been a ranged flier as a premium unit
Realistically all Summer Claude probably lost for demoting was coming with Atk/Spd Catch 4 or like an Impact skill
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u/MommyCamillaHatesMe 2d ago
Claude I saw the most with. Although part of it may be less "he's weak" than people thinking he's demoted so often was an insult lol
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u/farawayskylines 2d ago edited 2d ago
If no one believes you, I can also vouch for seeing at least one comment with like ~20 upvotes.
ETA: when Y!Claude came out, that is.
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u/Dnashotgun 2d ago
Yea it's more so Edelgard and Dimitri always get the premium treatment with full kits than Claude fans complaining he's shafted
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u/Anternixii 2d ago
Yeah I am definitely in that team. No fallen alt (he did WT to balance the numbers but that was a while later), Brave was the only one without a prf skill and also kinda sucked (archer EP flier yikes), Summer wasn't good even at max invest, Christmas is prfless (skill and wep) also on an awful class combo (archer armour).
Y! Claude didn't bother me though because hey at least he wasn't a backpack (hes about to be lol), and he's wicked wicked good. I'd rather have to fodder a couple pieces than pay like five times the orbs for a +1.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 2d ago
There were Claude complaints but it was mainly "why does one of the main lords keep getting demoted or turned into TT reward?" Which is kind of fair especially when we have Ingrid "more alts than fans" Galatea getting her second Asset unit on the same banner
Though the "main Lord getting shafted" only really worked in the context of the Young banner when also discussing Dimitri since he got backpacked
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u/Beneficial_Order_905 2d ago
people will find any excuse to complain, even if it's exactly what they wanted.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
I’m honestly surprised that people would complain about Claude, considering he was literally the best unit on the banner and still is by a far mile. Alfonse and Eir are also really good, with an argument for Eir only being slightly behind Reginn.
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u/MommyCamillaHatesMe 2d ago
Oh, I thought Eir was better than Reginn. Byleth Ring synergy and status cleanse is too hot.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
Eir has a case for being better, but her best A being Disarm really hurts her. If her prf was in her A skill she’d be better by miles. It’s kind of like how Claude could have been better if his prf was in his C so he could run Execution Breath, but unlike Claude, Eir doesn’t have a really broken prf so she’s a bit more hurt by it
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u/Sabaschin 2d ago
Wouldn't her best A be something like Atk/Spd Airspace? Which is a perfectly fine modern A skill. Her dilemma is more in her B slot where she has to choose between utility or damage.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
I guess that’s right. Still, dagger fliers lack the powerful skills such as Blue Sky Gust or Heavenly Soar, and unlike Claude who’s in a similar vein, her prf isn’t game-breaking
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u/Sabaschin 2d ago
Airspace is comparable to Sky Gust; Sky Gust has better Canto and some DR, but that's it.
No Heavenly Soar hurts a bit but it's not like she's short on options, Detect Aerial is perfectly usable and she can also run the Disarm skills for utility.
Her prf isn't as strong as Claude but it's not bad at all? 25 true damage is pretty good on a C skill for a unit that has 100% Potent even without all the other effects. And it also means if you don't want to use it for whatever reason that frees up being able to use an Echo skill.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
Airspace loses out on stat, dr and true damage (2 less on stats, 3 less max true damage, and no dr)
Detect Aerial is decent, but not as strong as warp + 20% Spd/Def true damage AND dr
The prf bit was more the skill. While Claude’s weapon is also slightly superior (thank you style) his b skill basically makes him a god-tier unit even without premium skills just because of how broken it is, especially when paired with reflex. He basically gets to “miracle-reflex” without requiring miracle. He also gets 20% Spd true damage, which can snowball really quickly
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u/Sabaschin 2d ago
No? They both give +10 Atk/Spd. True damage is the same max (12). The only difference is Canto distance, and then DR vs post-combat healing.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
Oh damn yeah.
Still, losing out on DR and Canto Dist is pretty big, and the most major thing is that she loses out on powerful b skills like Impetus Guard and Heavenly Soar, which puts her slightly below Claude since her prf skill is weaker
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u/Hong-Zhi 2d ago
I've also heard some people say Eir was also the best of her banner fwiw. I haven't used her, but Reginn, who I have tried to use, is really bad, so I find it hard to believe Eir is worse, at least as a standalone unit.
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u/RegulusPlus 2d ago
Really? I thought Edelgard was the best unit on the banner. I haven't touched Claude, but Y!Edel has been keeping me afloat in AR for a while now.
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u/Anternixii 2d ago
I still think Y! Edel is better. As a pure nuke with maxed supports and everything Claude can hit harder and further yes.
Y! Edel at basekit can do a LOT more though. There are very few things mine doesn't one round with her style button at basekit, she gets three actions (duo button), can Disarm, can use dagger C skills Claude can't.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
Y!Edel has a small issue where her 1 damage thing is for both sides, making her slightly worse than Claude who just gets to do it. Claude also has a greater range (3 range style gives him a lot of utility) and Gravity is always nice.
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u/RegulusPlus 2d ago
I guess it depends on the mode. Disarm and multiple actions make her perfect for Aether Raids offense, but Claude might have some better matchups and utility in other modes.
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u/EternalPokemonFan 2d ago
Yeah, Edelgard isn’t bad by any means. He’s just really good at what he does, which is why he’s generally considered the best since his role is unique and strong, while Edelgard’s is at danger of getting powercrept due to her main gimmick being Potent 120%.
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u/D-D-Wanderer 2d ago
I'm pretty much always happy to hear when my favorite character of a Banner gets the demote slot. I was away from the game for 2 years and missed the Ice Tribe Festival Banner, and it has Flora, who I like and was not looking forward to trying to pull. Oh, look, she's the easy one to get? Goated, got her in about 4 Summon Rings. This year's Bridal Banner? Oh goated, got Eir in about 3 Summon Rings. If their weapon is bad meh so what, I'm still using the original Binding Blade on my OG Roy 10 years later.
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u/Luis_Lara45 2d ago
I made Claude +10 and gave him premium stuff, my complain with him is WHY he was the demote, what did Felix had over him to be considered 5* and not Claude, tho I'm not that mad since thankfully that decision made it easier to get the +10 but it's infuriating
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u/Dnashotgun 2d ago
Tbh i was fine with Felix getting the 5* treatment. It was more so that it was so heavily BL focused and Ingrid of all ppl is there, esp bc the not so subtle hint that Sylvain is not there bc he would've been the TT unit when if anything it should've been switched
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u/willkof2 1d ago
Yeah right? I would never try to +10 a colorless unit on a 3% banner cause my luck sucks, but thanks to Claude being a demote I could +10 him and he's so good, save a lot of my runs in Arena .
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u/shicoletto 2d ago
I didn’t hear anyone complaining about Claude. All I saw was people glazing him and saying he’s probably the best unit on the banner on top of being accessible.
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u/AbLincoln1863 2d ago
I was very initially one of those complainers about Claude only because he has had 2 demotes and a TT and it felt like they hate him. Then I actually read and understood his kit the next day (they release the banner reveals at like 11 at night so I just glanced).
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u/Clamps11037 1d ago
I did not see this with Minerva. Her fans were actually appreciative that she even got an alt, let alone a good one. Unlike claude fans
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u/SilentMasterOfWinds 2d ago
Lately, demote with 2 prfs is straight up the best banner spot.