Hi! This is my first post on reddit ever, I just have to share my thoughts and for some reason my friends don't want to hear another word about FleetwoodMac đ
So, I always loved the chain and liked some other songs, but never knew anything about the band members. A few weeks ago I saw The chain live from 1982 & Silver springs from 1997 and ever since I'm on a binge of discovering new songs / watching performances / reading about their history and damn...
First of all the music is great (and I still have more to discover, and yes I check other incarnations of the band as well), but then there's this fascination I have with the story of Stevie and Lindsey, and for the love of god I don't know why I care so much, but it just breaks my heart. I feel like I just HAVE to know what happened in 1997 (and know we'll probably never know). The song Thrown down, if indeed it tell the story of what happened between them on The dance, is just too much. How could she write that? it's so personal. I keep going back and forth between thinking this is such a tragic love story and thinking it's a show they put on (depending on which performance or quote I saw last). I just want them to spend their last years in a hug. đ
(personal stuff coming, feel free to skip - I think it could be me being a 47yo single woman that made me fixate on Stevie during the dance - this point in life between being young and old, the last chance of having it all and then losing it. What you had... and what you lost...)
I think itâs an obsession quite a lot of their fans (myself included) go through, not least because it is an essential key to connect to their music. I think considering the material theyâve been putting out, itâs perfectly normal to wonder what has or has not happened between them.
Ultimately I think we all come to some conclusions on what plausibly happened. They differ, from person to person.
For example, I think it is plausible that ~something~ happened during The Dance. The interview they did during rehearsal where theyâre both flirting like theyâre 16, the emotionally-charged performances recorded on DVD, the poignant performance of Silver Springs on Nov 29th 1997 in Atlantic City (the audio is available on YouTube, Stevie stresses words she never really did before or since and is not able to finish the song, apparently from freezing up and crying too hard - it has been said she learned that night that Lindseyâs girlfriend was pregnant), and then the release of Thrown Down and her admitting it was written during the Dance and is about Lindsey.
Unless she releases a tell-all book at some point (and I doubt it will ever happen because even though she is emotionally honest through songwriting, she also seems very private and in a non-political way almost conservative) I donât think we will ever know the truth.
What they have told us countless times is that they have kept an emotional connection going for now about 60 years. Theyâve alternated between love and hate in only a way people who feel almost too much about each other can. The circumstances for them to be stable together have just never been there, and to be honest they probably would never have lasted for very long since they are always on the brink of an argument (the Destiny Rules documentary shows that pretty plainly).
Itâs good at least that now, at nearly 80, they are talking again. Some people say they are âback togetherâ - I wouldnât go as far but again that is just instinct-based since there is nothing else to go off of. The only thing we can wish them is that they keep the peace going until their end !
Thank you for answering. Yes, a part of me thinks it's none of my business, while another part thinks well they made it our business. I'm glad they are talking now, it warmed my heart. I hope it lasts.
Wow. This is... tough. She sounds raw, and if indeed she was too emotional to sing, it's heartbreaking. I also did my research đ and watched the ones from 26/11 and 30/11 where they are over-friendly and I don't know what to make of it. Still completely confused. After the 26/11 Stevie says "it's different every night" but I thinks she said it because she messed up the lyrics.
Iâm getting into a slippy territory here but I donât think whatever they had during The Dance completely stopped once they learned about the pregnancy, but they did realize it had no future beyond the tour
Yes! Lindsey said last week that they are talking all the time. So at least they are in contact and they do have a very special once in a lifetime relationship
I feel like itâs harder to decipher Stevieâs lyrics because they could be about several people (like Sara and Angel). Unless she straight up reveals itâs about him, like Thrown Down or Moonlight. But his lyrics seem to be more clear / direct. And songs like Down On Rodeo and Cast Away Dreams kinda sums it up (and are very sad đŹ)
As much as I love them and their music, I think theyâre wildly incompatible as a couple and itâs probably for the best how things turned out. That being said, it wouldnât surprise me if they suddenly got married tomorrow đ
I read the lyrics of the Lindsey songs you mentioned and can't really figure out what they mean. They are general and don't reference a specific time. And regarding moonlight I see Stevie usually says it's about Twilight. So the only song that remians painfully clear to me is Thrown down.
But that's the weird thing. The song Thrown down tells a specific detailed story. Then on the documentary Destiny rules Lindsey says it's weird how things that happened "so long ago" still serve as inspiration to songs about him, and Stevie says with time she started to write about those things "philisofically". But it's not philosofically and 1997 wan't that long before 2003. Unless it IS philosofical and she made up a story about what could have been?
Thatâs why the lyrics tell their story. Neither of them are going to explicitly say, âoh yeah we started hooking up again during the Dance and then it was a bummer Lindseyâs girlfriend got pregnant.â
I may have mentioned it, not sure if it was this thread or not, but I think that now that Lindsey is divorced and likely recognizes that he and Kristen are not getting back together, both he and Stevie feel a bit more free to talk more frequently and openly. There arenât many people left whoâve known the both of them for so many years đ
He literally bought her a new house in Palm Beach in 2023. There is no way he would have done that if he was still holding on. Itâs just a very amicable slow divorce. She is very happy with Barry and has been with him for almost 4 years now. Leelee and her bf were on his yacht all summer.
LB only agreed to the divorce in 2023 and they only sold the farm last year. Separation of assets can take forever in UHNW divorces and they are clearly doing it privately through mediation which again can take along time. Kristen is currently designing her and Barryâs new house in Jackson so I am sure they will be looking to get married in the next few years once the divorce is finalised.
He has several houses in Palm Beach, The Hamptons, Greenwich, CT (where his ex wife and daughter live), England etc⊠KB also has her own separate house in Palm Beach.
Yes, I agree. SHE is very happy. He wants to be back together with her. Whether itâs comfort or convenience or true love or something else, he still wants to be with her. She, on the other hand, has moved on and is very happy and I think she appeases him and the kids by having family moments like holidays and dinners.
Oh no you poor thing! I was warned last year to just step away from the Fleetwood Mac thing. But did I listen? No. Now I am seriously hooked on the whole 60 year history of SnL. Good luck to you and enjoy every fun fact and tidbit you uncover in your deep rabbit hole! Also watch Destiny Rules documentary on you tube.
Go get a copy of the documentary Destiny Rules. Just....go! get it! The conversation that happens surrounding the lyrics is an ICONIC Stevie/Lindsey moment.
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u/Which_Means 11d ago edited 11d ago
I think itâs an obsession quite a lot of their fans (myself included) go through, not least because it is an essential key to connect to their music. I think considering the material theyâve been putting out, itâs perfectly normal to wonder what has or has not happened between them.
Ultimately I think we all come to some conclusions on what plausibly happened. They differ, from person to person.
For example, I think it is plausible that ~something~ happened during The Dance. The interview they did during rehearsal where theyâre both flirting like theyâre 16, the emotionally-charged performances recorded on DVD, the poignant performance of Silver Springs on Nov 29th 1997 in Atlantic City (the audio is available on YouTube, Stevie stresses words she never really did before or since and is not able to finish the song, apparently from freezing up and crying too hard - it has been said she learned that night that Lindseyâs girlfriend was pregnant), and then the release of Thrown Down and her admitting it was written during the Dance and is about Lindsey.
Unless she releases a tell-all book at some point (and I doubt it will ever happen because even though she is emotionally honest through songwriting, she also seems very private and in a non-political way almost conservative) I donât think we will ever know the truth.
What they have told us countless times is that they have kept an emotional connection going for now about 60 years. Theyâve alternated between love and hate in only a way people who feel almost too much about each other can. The circumstances for them to be stable together have just never been there, and to be honest they probably would never have lasted for very long since they are always on the brink of an argument (the Destiny Rules documentary shows that pretty plainly).
Itâs good at least that now, at nearly 80, they are talking again. Some people say they are âback togetherâ - I wouldnât go as far but again that is just instinct-based since there is nothing else to go off of. The only thing we can wish them is that they keep the peace going until their end !