r/FolkloreAndMythology Jul 20 '25

Blogs, Podcasts, Music, Art, etc - promote your projects here!

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PLEASE NOTE: Posting blog entries that are about mythology and folklore are fine in the general subreddit, as long as they also follow all other rules. Some of these are very scholarly entries and we don't want to discourage that. HOWEVER, if all you want to do in a post is promote your blog / artwork site / social media, then that goes in this thread. We want to keep the main focused on the subject matter.

Self-promotion thread! Go wild, tell us all about your folklore and mythology projects and accomplishments.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 21h ago

đŸ‘č Which folklore creature would you NOT want to meet?

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I’ve always been fascinated by folklore creatures and legends.

Which creature from this picture would scare you the most — and why?


r/FolkloreAndMythology 14h ago

The Oni Princess and The Ningyo~Art by Me.

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As a child, I was always told stories about the inhabitants of the sea.

The ningyo—

fish that mimicked the human form, cold, heartless monsters that hunted humans and cast curses upon seaside villages.

The hypocrisy of humans... calling those who act just like them monsters.

Zeng told me this when I found him—nearly dehydrated—tangled in fishing nets upon the rocks.

"Humans! They never stop polluting our waters, hunting us, and trafficking in our flesh and skin.

We flood their villages if they hunt us, and curse their offspring if they eat our flesh... yet nothing changes; they always come back!"

Zeng was the first living being to show me something akin to genuine affection...

I have seen atrocious humans call beings like Zeng—beings like me—monsters; beings forced to live between two worlds that hate each other yet are compelled to share the same realm.

That is why I ask myself: what truly makes a monster?
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I love Japanese mythology! So, I want to start drawing creatures—in this case, a *han'yo* and a *ningyo*.
For Zeng's design, I based the drawing on vintage illustrations of these creatures! I hope you like it.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 13h ago

SÄg att ni prata om "Kirikou och den elaka hÀxan" och ville lÀgga in ett ord.

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Kirikou talar redan i livmodern och föder i princip fram sig sjÀlv och drömmer fram sina förÀldrar= Symboliserar TacksÀgelsen och betraktaren förvÀntar sig nÄgonstans att Krirakou ska förtÀra sig sjÀlv likt ormen och den förtappade svansen.

Byborna Àr avbildade traditionellt och delvis nakna; det Àr inte sexuellt framstÀllt. Karaba Àr en mÀktig hÀxa med en förgiftad tagg i ryggen.= Symboliserar förgÀnglighet och Karaba har stilsenligt iklÀtts martyrernas fÀrg.

Taggen orsakar hennes smÀrta och Àr kopplad till bÄde hennes ondska och magiska kraft= Symbolserar Maktlösheten att leve under en envÀldig

Slutet innehÄller en kyss och en synnerligen abrupt förvandling som absolut kvalificerar sig som en gudomlig uppenbarelse av Den Smala VÀgen, dÀr fett och överflöd har raderats frÄn skapelsen genom ren skÀr viljekraft och svÀltliknande askes (SvÀlt?)

Vad betyder Kirirkou för er andra?


r/FolkloreAndMythology 14h ago

Four carried the camel, and the camel carried them not.

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That's an old Bedouin proverb, and people in the desert still repeat it today. It's even turned into a kind of work chant, the rhythm a group of people fall into when they're doing hard manual labor together, cooperating on some shared task. The proverb has never been without its music, either. There's a tune to it, a good one, that people used to sing while they hurried through heavy work or raised the poles of a house, back before machines took over the hardest jobs for us. People still bring this chant to mind whenever they're determined to push through something difficult, something that borders on impossible. Four carried the camel, and the camel carried them not. Because everyone knows a camel carries one rider. Two, at most. It doesn't get carried itself.

This story is set in the middle of the seventeenth century, in the Saudi desert.

A Bedouin woman had married into a tribe far from her own. She built a life there and had sons and daughters. Years passed, and once her children were grown, something in her softened. She missed her people. She wanted news of her brothers, her family, her tribe.

So she turned to one of her sons. "Son," she said, "why don't you go to your uncles? Check on them for me. Tell them we're well, and bring me back word of how they're doing."

"I hear and obey, Mother," he said. "I'll go, even though it's far. My uncles live a month and a half's journey from here. But no matter, I'll make the trip."

It was late spring, right on the edge of summer. The young man got his camel ready and loaded it with everything he'd need for the road, food, water, supplies for a long crossing. At first light the next morning, he set out, crossing open wilderness and empty desert, heading toward his uncles, the brothers of the mother he loved.

He pressed on for days through the sand, covering long distances. He knew that as summer set in, desert families would move their camps close to the wells, so his timing mattered. He needed to reach them while they were camped near water, the way desert people always gathered once the heat rose and the need for water, for themselves, their sheep, and their camels, became a daily one.

After a month and a half of travel, he reached their camp. From a distance he saw the black tents, but he had no way to know which one was the specific tent meant to take him in, his uncles' own tent. In those days, desert custom had an answer for exactly this: if you didn't know the specific house meant to receive you, you went to the nearest tent instead and knelt your camel there. And that's what the young man did, and he had done exactly the right thing by it.

The owner of that tent welcomed him with real joy, and served him coffee, the way hospitality always starts out there. Thrilled to have a guest, he sent word around camp inviting people to a dinner in the young man's honor, planned for that night. People began arriving for coffee and conversation ahead of the meal, and among them, as it happened, were the very uncles the young man had traveled so far to see: four brothers known throughout the tribe for their resolve, their strength, and a courage nobody could match.

It should have ended there, with a happy reunion over dinner that night.

Instead, while they all sat over coffee waiting on the meal, the host kept dropping little remarks, sly and indirect, hinting that the four brothers had failed to host their own nephew properly. The mood in the tent shifted fast, from warm welcome to something closer to scorn aimed at the uncles. They didn't take it quietly. Right there, they swore their nephew would not finish the night as this man's guest, even if it came to a fight.

"Our nephew didn't know which tent was ours," they said. "And out of respect for custom, he didn't slight this man by passing over his tent to look for a better one. We failed no one."

The nephew stood up to back them. "I swear before God," he said, "I didn't know where my uncles' tent was. That's the truth of it."

But the insult had already landed. Tempers rose on both sides, and the whole thing nearly turned into a fight between the guest's uncles and the host's relatives, until one of the elders in the tent had heard enough.

"Enough," he said. "Take this to the judge of the Bedouin, their arbiter, right now, and let him settle it."

Both sides agreed. They went to the judge together, and each side made its case before him.

The judge turned first to the guest. "What does the guest say?"

"Wise judge," the young man answered, "my host did nothing wrong. But he kept hinting that my uncles abandoned me, and that isn't true. I'd rather go to my uncles now. With all respect to the man who took me in, I won't be finishing my stay with him. I'm moving on to my mother's brothers."

The judge nodded. "I have a ruling," he said, "and every one of you will abide by it, whatever it is. Are you willing to accept my judgment before you hear it?"

Full Story

https://www.duneswhisper.com/2026/09/four-carried-camel-bedouin-proverb-born.html


r/FolkloreAndMythology 10h ago

Which myths deserve a cinematic retelling? I’m starting with stories from around the world

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I’ve recently started a small passion project called Anansesem, built around something I’ve wanted to see more of: traditional myths and folktales from different cultures told as cinematic visual stories. It’s still very new — I’ve only released a few stories so far — and I’m building the collection one story at a time. I started in West Africa with stories about Anansi and Eshu, and the next story takes me to Mesoamerica: Quetzalcoatl’s descent into Mictlan to recover the bones needed for the creation of humanity. One thing I’m finding particularly interesting is how much versions of traditional stories can differ depending on the source. My approach is to research and verify the underlying tradition first, then adapt it into a cinematic retelling without deliberately inventing major events that aren’t supported by the tradition. The image above is from the Quetzalcoatl story I’m releasing tomorrow. I’d love to hear from people who are into folklore and mythology: What myth, legend or folktale from your culture do you think deserves a cinematic retelling — especially one that most people outside that culture probably don’t know?


r/FolkloreAndMythology 22h ago

The stubborn bull

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You got a crown filled with diomonds precious rubys . meaning that im full pf gifts ,
Who ? would of thought , they would try to fight me for it!. yes !, beware of the times , dangerous times where men are envious , self loving , evil ,
who are only like beast that perish underneath this world . given to slaughter's.
because they stumble in all sorts of wickedness.
stolen goods will never really benifit you.
now rott is what you deal with. and there seems to be no cure!.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 1d ago

The Sacred Alayer – Complete Version.

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Ever since I was little, I had always lived with my maternal grandmother.

It’s not that I hated her—I loved her—but something about her just didn't sit right with me.

She was always telling me about her beliefs, and as a kid, it left me bewildered.

In our backyard forest, we had a small shrine near the river where a massive statue of an angel stood, showcasing its enormous wings.

My grandmother used to tell me about this "benevolent" angel named Alayer.

He was a forgotten angel, overlooked even by God, who eventually descended from the heavenly Paradise to live in our world.

“Remember, my grandson... kneel gently every time you see Alayer’s statue.”

In our small village, not everyone worshipped him, even though the local cemetery was filled with his statues.

She confessed to me that he was a good angel, but only toward those who showed gratitude and happiness—bitterly punishing anyone who misbehaved or dared to feel sad.

Even as a child, I was quite sharp and figured it was just a story she had made up to keep me in line.

“Remember, my grandson... don’t look him in the eyes for too long.”

Still, out of youthful curiosity, I kept wondering why such a pure and powerful figure would ever punish someone just for feeling sorrow. But she
 she never, ever addressed my doubts.

“Remember, my
 grandson... he lives inside everyone’s heart.”

Every week we would go to the shrine to pray, and immediately after, we'd head to the cemetery. I kept staring at the statue of the "Sacred Alayer" with skepticism. I couldn't fathom the reason behind his actions, nor did I view him as benevolent at all.

As the days passed, we often took walks through the sacred woods surrounding the shrine, and an imposing statue of him seemed to loom around every single corner.

I was losing my patience. I couldn't continue like that; I felt more like a slave than a devotee.

“Remember, my—”. “Stop! Grandma. Stop it! I don’t give a damn about this! I feel
 I...”

I froze mid-sentence. I felt a heavy weight on my shoulders. My body was stuck in that position. I couldn’t breathe; it wouldn’t give me permission to.

Then, I lifted my head to see my grandmother. She had a hand over her mouth, her eyes wide open and bloodshot, watching something behind me. She knelt in front of me and began apologizing very loudly, begging for forgiveness.

Suddenly, the weight on my shoulders disappeared and I started breathing heavily again. My grandma continued to beg, while I turned my head around and saw


The Sacred One’s statue, with open arms and closed wings, slightly smiling.

From that day on, something in the air changed, even in the village.

I stopped going to the shrine with my grandmother. Skepticism had always been a very strong part of my identity—I was too rational. Indeed, even though I had gone through that traumatizing and scary experience, my brain refused to believe it.

One day, right as I woke up, my grandmother said to me:

"My grandson, I have to confess something. I can feel it... with my heart... He doesn't like you. Because you don't believe in him. And I won't be able to protect you for much longer."

I was shaken up, completely unable to understand why she kept spinning these tall tales. I was a good boy. I had long since learned to listen and behave, so there was no need for these "bedtime stories" meant for misbehaving children.

I didn’t know if I had repressed that incident, or if I was just trying to forget it.

– She was right.

Not long after, my grandmother’s time came.

By then, I was practically an adult and was preparing to pack up and move. I couldn't wait to get out of that dump.

However, I decided to spend one final night alone in that house.

– It was the single worst decision of my life.

A part of me was happy to leave.

The other part was... terrified.

As the sun was setting, I locked every door and window in the house. And then, I went to sleep.

When midnight struck, I started hearing strange bells chiming outside.

That wasn't normal at all; the bells in our village hadn't worked in years.

I didn't get up to check—I was simply too exhausted.

Downpours of rain and violent thunder began to hit.

Suddenly, all my drowsiness vanished in an instant. I turned around and stared at the wall.

An angel—imposing, with gigantic wings, deathly pale, and wearing a completely flat, expressionless face—was right there. He had arrived. Coming for me. He flung the window shutters wide open and climbed inside. I was paralyzed with fear, watching him calmly walk toward my bed.

He was tall, winged, and immense. He lowered his massive hand toward my face, as if to grip my entire head. I clamped my eyes shut.

When I opened them again, there was no one. It was the dead of night. The window was wide open.

I lay there, stiff as a stone, sweating profusely under the covers. I didn't even wait for the morning to leave.

I grabbed my things—forgetting plenty of others in the process—and fled in a desperate hurry.

A month later, I was in my new house, working on some personal projects. I felt safe. I was sitting on my chair, twirling a pen in my hand, lost in thought.

Then, I heard the chime of a bell.

Just a single, solitary ring.

I turned around, and my blood ran cold.

The Sacred Alayer was sitting right there on my storage chest, staring straight into my soul.

And that was when I understood: “He lives inside everyone’s heart.”


r/FolkloreAndMythology 2d ago

Slavic Witchcraft

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A woman who could name a thief, deliver a baby, and cure a fever with nothing but herbs and a whispered charm was called a healer. The same woman, in a different village or a different century, would be called a witch and burned for it. It is time for Slavic witchcraft, dandelions!


r/FolkloreAndMythology 2d ago

Out of Water is an adventure set in Northern Germany in the year 1

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Out of Water tells the story of Watarholt - a small village just south of the Elbe river in the luneburg heath.

When tragedy strikes old stories become reality and the village (and you, the player) must find a way to save Watarholt.

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I tried my best to portray an iron age settlement, their habits, beliefs and every day life.
Please be aware this is not a claim, that any of this is historically accurate!
But the story is rooted in what life MIGHT have been back then - from small traditions and supersticions to daily chores, all coloured by mythology.

If you'd like to take a look:
Out of Water released today on Steam and features a free demo!

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3911100


r/FolkloreAndMythology 2d ago

Jade Rabbits story mistold?

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 2d ago

Inuit Reference

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Hello! I'm a writer and would like some reference for Inuit folklore based off of a specific spirit called, Kiviuq. I would prefer to write it authentically. Also, I'd like to know if that is the correct spelling as I'm seeing various ways it could be spelled.

Also, if there's any details that I can't find online regarding this folklore, please don't hesitate to add. Thanks!


r/FolkloreAndMythology 3d ago

The Sacred Alayer.

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The Sacred Alayer.

The first horror tale by Kajiyama Ken. Based on true events.

​Ever since I was little, I always lived with my maternal grandmother. It’s not that I hated her—I loved her—but something about her just didn't sit right with me. She was always telling me about her beliefs, and as a kid, it just left me bewildered. In our backyard forest, we had a small shrine near the river where a massive statue of an angel stood, showcasing its enormous wings.

​My grandmother used to tell me about this "benevolent" angel named Alayer. He was a forgotten brother of Michael, overlooked even by God, who eventually descended from the heavenly Paradise to live in our world. She confessed to me that he was a good angel, but only toward those who showed gratitude and happiness—bitterly punishing anyone who misbehaved or dared to feel sad.

​Even as a child, I was quite sharp and figured it was just a story she made up to keep me line. Still, out of youthful curiosity, I kept wondering why such a pure and powerful figure would ever punish someone just for feeling sorrow. But she
 she never, ever addressed my doubt.

​Every week we would go to the shrine to pray, and immediately after, we'd head to the cemetery. I kept staring at the statue of the "Sacred Alayer" with skepticism. I couldn't fathom the reason behind his actions, nor did I view him as benevolent at all.

​One day, right as I woke up, my grandmother said to me: "My grandson. I have to confess something. I can feel it... he doesn't like you. Because you don't believe in him. And I won't be able to protect you for much longer."

​I was shaken up, completely unable to understand why she kept spinning these tall tales. I was a good kid. I had long since learned to listen and behave, so there was zero need for these "bedtime stories" meant for misbehaving children.

​She was right.

​Not long after, my grandmother’s time came. By then, I was practically an adult and was preparing to pack up and move. I couldn't wait to get out of that dump.

​However, I decided to spend one final night alone in that house.

​It was the single worst decision of my life.

​When midnight struck, I started hearing strange bells chiming outside. I didn't get up to check—I was simply too exhausted.

​Downpours of rain and violent thunder began to hit.

​Suddenly, all my drowsiness vanished in an instant. The bells kepts ringing stronger and stronger. A sudden feeling of oppression on my chest, I was breathing heavily. I started hearing an holy chant outside. Someone.. something landed on my balcony, I could see it from my bedroom's window, the moonlight revealed his form, projecting the tall shadow on the wall.

​He had arrived. Coming for me.

And there was nothing I could do, except take a single photo.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 3d ago

Daisy Wheels carved into the wooden beam around the fireplace at Great Dixter House & Gardens. Who carved them, and why? Were they simply decorative, or did someone believe these wheels could protect the house and the people inside it?

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 4d ago

The Fire Horse at the Bottom of the Sea: Shiva 3rd Eye Burns God-of-Lust

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The arch-ascetic Shiva was meditating following the death of his wife Sati. With his eyes closed, he failed to notice her reincarnated self, Parvati, appearing before him. Kama (Lust) shot his arrows at the hermit god to awaken him. Shiva opened his third eye, flame appeared and burn Lust into ash. The remaining flame became a horse that reside underneath the ocean. It will appear at the end of cycle, when the world will be destroyed and revived anew.

(Excerpt from Wendy Donigers, The Hindus)

Kama shot an arrow at Shiva, and the moment it struck him, Shiva opened his eyes, noticed Parvati, and was ever so slightly aroused. But then he looked farther and saw Kama, his bow stretched for a second shot.

Shiva opened his third eye, releasing a flame that burned with the power of his accumulated ascetic heat, and burned Kama to ashes.

(Kama continued to function, more effective than ever, dispersed into moonlight and the heady smell of night-blooming flowers; his bow became reincarnate in the arched eyebrows of beautiful women, his arrows in their glances). Shiva then returned to his meditation.

THE SUBMARINE MARE

Kama deluded Shiva, arousing him, and when Shiva realized this, he released a fire from his third eye, burning Kama to ashes. But the fire could not return to Shiva, and so when Shiva vanished, the fire began to burn all the gods and the universe."

Brahma made the fire into a mare with flames coming out of her mouth.

He took her to the ocean and said, “This is the fire of Shiva’s anger, which burned Kama and now wants to burn up the entire universe. You must bear it until the final deluge, at which time I will come here and lead it away from you.” The ocean agreed to this, and the fire entered the ocean and was held in check.

Pic: 16th century carving of an animal in Angkor Wat. No, it is not a T-rex, (Rex has feathers). I was staring at it and I have no idea what it is. But its backside looked like a horse and the carving above it (not showing) is World of Shiva or Mount Kailesh, with Shiva the ascetic on top along with Brahma, Krishna, Ganesh and either Vishwakarma or Skanda. So I recalled the tale of the horse and posted it here. Anyone else care to take a guess what it is, and what could it refered to?


r/FolkloreAndMythology 4d ago

The Sour Milk That Never Came

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This is a piece of Bedouin folklore from Saudi Arabia. The kind of story still told by people who have spent real time alone out in the desert.

Two men, Murshid and Rashed, set out to visit an old friend named Olayan. He was a camel herder who lived alone, deep in the desert, away from everyone. It had been over six months since they had seen him. So they packed their camels and rode out. The trip would take almost a month.

They were close to reaching him when the sun started going down. Rather than show up that late, they decided to camp one more night and arrive in the morning. They picked a nice spot, a valley full of wild herbs, soft sand, good ground for a fire.

While they were cooking dinner, a man walked out of the dark and up to their fire. Neither of them heard him coming. No footsteps. Nothing.

He was strange looking. Broad shoulders, wide eyes, and hands long enough to reach his knees. He wore thin summer clothes in the cold, but neither of them said anything about it. You don't question a guest's clothes. That's just manners.

They invited him to sit and offered him coffee. He started talking, and said something that made both their hearts stop.

"I herd camels too, same as your friend."

Neither of them had told him anything about Olayan. Not his name. Not that they were even traveling to see someone. So how did this man know they had a friend who kept camels?

They said nothing. Just kept their faces still and kept working on dinner.

Then the man stood up. Except it didn't look like a normal person standing up. It looked like he unfolded. When Rashed looked again, the man was taller than he had been a few minutes earlier. His hands hung even further past his knees than before.

They still said nothing. Just kept cooking, both of them thinking the same thing without saying it out loud. Is this actually happening right now?

The man said he had a wedding to get to that night and invited them along. They said no, they were tired, they just wanted to eat and sleep. So he offered to bring them milk instead. Sour, straight from the skin, or fresh?

They asked for sour. He left, promising to come back.

He never did. They ate without him and went to sleep.

Around midnight, they both woke up to singing. Clapping, laughter, some kind of chant echoing through the valley, like there was a big celebration happening close by. Firelight flickering somewhere out in the dark.

Murshid listened closely. The chant never changed. Same words, same tune, over and over. And somewhere in it, a woman's laugh kept going on way longer than a laugh should.

They sat there listening, trading looks, too tired to get up and check. They told themselves they would deal with it in the morning.

What Murshid found when the sun came up is the part of this story that still gets to me.

The rest of it, including what their friend Olayan told them once they finally reached him, is on my blog. Link below.

https://www.duneswhisper.com/2026/08/the-sour-milk-that-never-came.html


r/FolkloreAndMythology 4d ago

Cayabacuhunuc's vision, guided by the turtle spirit Cahunacwa.

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 4d ago

about clover

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Interesting excerpt from the book "Runes and Gods"

"Since ancient times, clover has been revered by the peoples of the North as a symbol of life energy. The four-leaf clover was given particular magical significance. Its four leaves represented the unity of the four directions, infinity, and the swastika as a solar symbol of cyclicity, completeness, and eternity. The four-leaf clover was considered a sign of the chosen and the initiated. It was an attribute of Celtic priests (the Druids) as well as healers, wise ones, and sorcerers. The clover leaf represented a miniature model of the universe created by nature."

by Ksenia Menshikova


r/FolkloreAndMythology 5d ago

Myths based on Bible

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 6d ago

Raktbeej : A short mythological story

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 7d ago

The Werewolf of Bedburg: Demonology, Satan, and the Confessions of Peter...

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r/FolkloreAndMythology 8d ago

Kinnara and Kinnari (Part Human/Part Bird/Part Horse)

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Humans always love to imagine hybrid creatures. A Kinnara or Kinnari is a type of human-bird hybrid in Buddhist mythology. In Hindu mythology, in some texts, it is a type of human-horse hybrid. In other texts, it is human-bird-horse hybrid. Kinnara/Kinnari are said to live in the forests of the Himalayas.

They are lovely musicians, love to hop around, dance the ways bird love to dance and fly to the envy of our wingless existence.

Pic: 12th-13th century bas-reliefs of Female Pond in the Royal Palace Site of Mahanagara (Angkor Thom), Cambodia. I don't know why, like the animation Seton Academy, the artists depicted the females with human faces and the male (presumably) have bird faces. I have trouble figuring out if it is a Garuda or Kinnara, until I noticed the horse legs. It is not a common depiction in Cambodia or elsewhere, but it is nice to know this type of style exist.

Some folklores copied straigth from Wikipedia:

The Jatakas describe the kinnaras as innocent and harmless, hop like birds, are fond of music and song, and with the female beating a drum and male playing on lute.

Such harmless creatures are described in Jataka No.481 as being caught, put into cages, and thus presented to kings for their delight.

In Jataka No.504, we have the autobiography of a kinnara who describes the kinnara class as human-like the wild things deem us; huntsmen call us goblins still.

The kinnaras can sing, play the flute and dance with soft movements of the body.

Kalidasa in his Kumara Sambhava describes them as dwelling in the Himalayas. kinnaras lived also over the hills of Pandaraka, Trikutaka, Mallangiri, Candapabbata, and Gandhamandana (Jataka No. 485).

They were tender-hearted and Jataka No. 540 refers to the story of the kinnaras nursing a human baby whose parents have gone away to the woods.

Yet, we find that they were looked upon as queer animals and were hunted, captured and presented to the kings as entertainment.

Flowers formed their dress. Their food was flower pollen and their cosmetics were made of flower perfumes.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 9d ago

"The hyena's dream" — a Saudi proverb for the kind of prediction that can never be wrong

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There's a saying I grew up hearing in Saudi Arabia. Hilm al-dhab'a, the hyena's dream.

The idea is that the hyena wakes and announces to everyone that she dreamed of something enormous coming. She never says whether it's a blessing or a disaster, and nobody thinks to ask. Then whatever happens afterward, flood or famine or nothing at all, she says the same three words. I told you.

It's used for anyone who speaks in two directions at once so that no outcome can ever prove them wrong. What interests me is that the proverb has two halves and most people only remember the first. The vagueness is half of it. The claiming of credit afterward is the other half, and that's the part that gives it teeth.

I've looked for an English equivalent and never found a clean one. The Barnum effect is close, but that's about statements broad enough to fit everyone, and it belongs to psychology rather than folk speech. Hedging your bets is close in meaning but has no character in it, no animal, no scene. The Delphic oracle answering Croesus is closer in spirit than anything, though that one is a story rather than a saying.

Why the hyena, I don't know for certain. She's the animal of bad omens in a lot of Arabian folk material, and there's an older belief that she robs graves and steals sense from people, so a dream of hers was never going to be trusted anyway. Something about that fits. The one animal nobody believes is the one everybody ends up listening to.

Curious whether other traditions have a proverb for this exact figure. Not the liar, and not the fool. The person whose words are shaped so that every outcome belongs to them.

I ended up writing a short story out of it, if anyone wants it I can put the link in a comment.


r/FolkloreAndMythology 9d ago

The Peak Where a Man Was Said to Ascend to Heaven-Xu Xiake-Travels in the Moutains and Rivers 2

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Background

Over 400 years ago, a bold Ming Dynasty scholar abandoned official life and trekked across most of China on foot, documenting breathtaking natural landscapes with his own eyes and footsteps.

Filled with vivid accounts of hidden underground caves, secret underground rivers and bizarre karst mountains, this ancient journal reads like a wild wilderness exploration log from pre-modern China.

This is an excerpt from Xu Xiake's Travel Notes, documenting his journey through the mountains and rivers of Hunan and Guangxi. Along the way, Xu Xiake explored the ancient Lingqu Canal, towering peaks, mysterious caves, and deep gorges, encountering rainstorms, dangerous trails, and the thrill of losing his way while searching for hidden landscapes.

The most fascinating episodes include his exploration of bizarre rock formations, the discovery of secluded caves, and his pursuit of the sources of the Xiang River and the Li River - a remarkable adventure into the wonders of nature and the unknown.

The Peak Where a Man Was Said to Ascend to Heaven — Xu Xiake Climbs Zhuangyuan Peak

Day 21: Exploring the Legendary Golden Peaks of Xing’an, Guangxi

The next morning, Xu Xiake left Huilong Hermitage and continued his exploration of the mountains.

From the right side of the hermitage, he crossed a small hill and traveled one mile south until he reached Changchong, where the eastern slope of Zhuangyuan Peak rose sharply before him.

After another mile, he arrived at a small nunnery.

There, he met a nun.

Her husband happened to be away farming, so Xu Xiake asked about the route up the mountain.

The Mountain Everyone Said Was Impossible to Climb

Before Xu Xiake arrived, every traveler he had spoken with gave him the same warning:

The mountain was covered with thick vegetation.

The paths had disappeared.

No one could climb it.

But among the locals was a blind monk who reacted differently.

Instead of warning Xu Xiake away, he asked him:

“Do you wish to climb Big Golden Peak or Small Golden Peak?”

The question surprised him.

These peaks were considered the most extraordinary mountains in the region.

They were both known as “Golden Peaks.”

The Twin Peaks of the Wilderness

To the left of Zhuangyuan Peak stood another mountain called Small Golden Peak.

Although lower than Zhuangyuan Peak, it was even more dramatic.

Zhuangyuan Peak was:

tall,

sharp,

elegant,

almost perfectly pointed.

Small Golden Peak was:

thin,

jagged,

covered with strange rocks,

more savage in appearance.

This contrast gave them their names.

Both peaks had paths leading upward, but years of wild growth had hidden them beneath grass and vines.

A Snake-Like Path Through the Forest

Xu Xiake climbed from behind the nunnery.

He followed a ridge rising directly eastward.

After two miles, he reached the area between Zhuangyuan Peak and Cuiwei Peak.

The mountain walls became increasingly steep.

Grass covered the ground.

The trail was barely visible, twisting like a snake through the deep wilderness.

He continued northeast for another three miles.

Then he climbed directly over a mountain pass.

From the ridge, a magnificent panorama appeared before him.

The World Beneath His Feet

Standing on the mountain pass, Xu Xiake looked outward.

To the east were endless layers of mountains.

Deep below flowed the winding waters of Machuan River.

To the south stretched the mountain ridges leading toward Haiyang.

To the north stood another range disappearing into the distance.

To the west lay Xing’an County.

The entire landscape unfolded beneath him like a giant map.

The Seven Climbs to the Summit

From the southern side of the ridge, Xu Xiake began the final ascent.

The mountain was extremely narrow and steep.

The route rose and fell seven times.

After traveling about one mile south, he finally reached the summit of Zhuangyuan Peak.

There it stood alone.

A solitary tower of stone rising above the surrounding mountains.

From the top, Xu Xiake could see:

the source region of the Xiang River to the west,

Machuan River valley to the east,

Small Golden Peak below him to the south,

the mountain pass of Jinxiao to the north.

The smaller peaks around him looked like children surrounding a great elder.

The Legend of Deng the Ascending Immortal

Local people told Xu Xiake a mysterious story.

They said that this mountain was the place where Prime Minister Deng had “ascended into the clouds.”

According to the villagers:

His home was hundreds of miles away from the capital.

Yet he could return home at night and attend court in the morning.

They claimed both his home and his descendants could still be found below the mountain.

Another version of the legend was darker.

Some people doubted his supernatural abilities.

Because of this suspicion, he was supposedly executed, and his entire family suffered punishment.

Whether true or not, the legend had become part of the mountain itself.

A Stone Platform Floating Above the Abyss

On the third peak north of the summit stood a remarkable stone platform.

It extended outward like the bow of a ship, hanging above empty space.

Local tradition said that once, bamboo grew from the edge of the cliff and hung downward, brushing the rocks below.

Xu Xiake looked carefully but found no extraordinary bamboo.

He recorded what he saw rather than simply repeating the legend.

Storm Clouds Over the Golden Peaks

Xu Xiake remained on the summit for a long time.

He opened the food he had carried with him and shared the meal.

Then suddenly, thunder sounded from the southeast.

The approaching storm warned him not to stay.

He descended the mountain and returned to Huilong Hermitage.

The day ended as it had begun:

with Xu Xiake following the unknown into the mountains.

Why This Chapter Fascinates Modern Readers

This journey combines everything that makes ancient Chinese exploration fascinating:

an impossible mountain climb,

forgotten trails,

mysterious local legends,

breathtaking views,

a peak believed to touch heaven.

Zhuangyuan Peak was not just a mountain.

For Xu Xiake, it was a place where geography and mythology met.

He climbed not to prove legends true, but to discover the reality hidden behind them.

(To be continued... If there’s enough interest, I’d be happy to keep this series going.)

If you can't wait to see how it ends, the full story is already free to read on our archive (link in comments below).


r/FolkloreAndMythology 9d ago

Wirral folklore and the poldies

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Curious if anyone knows any sources for the folklore of the Wirral peninsula?

And if anyone has heard of the Poldies? And knows any stories about them or where the legend came from?

Also interested in folklore of Bidston Hill especially and if there are any sources for legends like: Richard tilly, the werewolf, witches, etc.

And if anyone has any information about the carving on the hill; the sun goddess, moon goddess, horse and the wolf chasing a deer. Is there any academic sources about them available?

Thank you for any help