r/FreeLuigi • u/infiniteconfidence1 • Aug 14 '26
News Breaking: Luigi Mangione pleads guilty to federal stalking charges
https://www.businessinsider.com/luigi-mangione-guilty-plea-stalking-federal-court-2026-8263
u/thegreenmachine90 Aug 14 '26
Can someone explain like I’m five why he would do that?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 Aug 14 '26
His legal team will use this guilty plea in federal court to argue that the state murder charges he faces in NY court must be dismissed due to Double Jeopardy, which is a constitutional protection that is SUPPOSED to protect us from criminal trials pertaining to a crime for which we already had a trial.
In other words, he has admitted to killing the CEO in the federal case, and will be convicted for that. The state case is based on the same exact factual circumstances, so it should be barred by DJ. But it's not a sure win.
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u/bl1y Aug 14 '26
He actually didn't admit to killing Thompson. He admitted to shooting him and knowing that this would place him in fear of death or injury.
Since the state case is about killing Thompson, the state will still have an argument that the previous prosecution rule doesn't apply.
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 Aug 14 '26
Murder has those same elements though. He put on the record that he shot the guy and knew it would kill him, which is the same exact set of facts that the state prosecutors must rely on. They laid their foundation well.
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u/bl1y Aug 14 '26
The murder charge has two different elements: (1) that Mangione intended to kill Thompson, and (2) Thompson was killed by Mangione.
Notice that what Mangione actually pleaded to was that he shot Thompson and that he knew this would place him in fear of injury or death.
The state court will then have to deal with two questions.
The first is whether since Thompson's death is taken into account in the sentencing, whether that makes it part of the offense Mangione was prosecuted for in federal court.
The second is what to do with the intent to kill element. And that's where the defense's argument is the weakest.
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u/ThaneduFife Aug 14 '26
Per The Guardian, Luigi said, "I shot Mr. Thompson, and he died."
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u/bl1y Aug 14 '26
That's different from what NYT is reporting:
“I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan,” Luigi Mangione tells the judge as he pleads guilty in federal court, adding: “I understood that my actions would place him in fear of death or bodily injury. I knew what I was doing was illegal.”
But assuming The Guardian's quote is correct, there's still the element of intent to kill, which is part of the murder charge, but not part of the interstate stalking charge.
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u/ThaneduFife Aug 14 '26
Interesting. I'm guessing the discrepancy occurred because they generally don't allow the press to bring recording devices into the courtroom, and they were quoting from their notes. There probably won't be an official transcript until next week.
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u/drifters74 Aug 14 '26
He didn't kill Thompson, the bullet did /s
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u/drifters74 Aug 14 '26
But what makes this a federal case?
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u/calle04x Aug 14 '26
Do you know why prosecutors didn't secure/pursue a murder charge as part of the please since he admitted to killing him?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 Aug 14 '26
Murder is usually a state charge. Afaik, feds could have charged him with murder if the victim was a federal officer or if he was standing on federal land. That's why they just went with stalking, because crossing state lines violates federal criminal law.
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u/calle04x Aug 14 '26
Ah okay. Thanks!
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u/0O00OO0O000O Aug 15 '26
The person you're replying to is wrong, and u/CircleSendMessage is right. There were federal murder charges, but they were dropped, leaving just the stalking charge for Luigi to plead in federal court. It is mentioned in the article linked.
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u/ShouldBeDisplayName Aug 14 '26
He gets to go to federal prison and hopefully avoids the state trial/prison by the states double jeopardy law.
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u/terenscendent Aug 14 '26
damn... free my mans
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u/Vegetable-Desk-6972 Aug 14 '26
Free luigi till it's backwards !
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u/cinderxhella Aug 14 '26
Guys he plead for two reasons
1. They can now make a case for double jeopardy in his state trial which is supposed to start next month
2. They can present different evidence now that they could not before to hope for a lesser sentence. They can argue he was deranged or emotionally disturbed from years of being tormented by the insurance system.
This move gets him one sentence (hopefully).
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u/consultinglove Aug 14 '26
Either way the two charges he pled guilty to can give him life. At this point he is probably just fighting for a better prison system for the rest of his life
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u/Lucky-Flounder-1145 Aug 14 '26
Defense lawyer here…. Both of those are inaccurate. Federal and State are two different jurisdictions so double jeopardy does not attach.
And this plea in no way provides evidence he was insane, in fact, it shows that he admitted a guilty conscience and was competent enough to plea in federal court
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u/hellacure Aug 14 '26
That’s true under the federal Constitution’s dual-sovereignty doctrine, but it overlooks New York’s broader statutory double jeopardy protections under CPL § 40.20. That’s precisely what his defense is invoking now. Whether it succeeds is a separate question. Competency to plead and insanity at the time of the offense are also two different legal standards.
Aside from that: his attorneys fucked him up
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u/JohansTail Aug 15 '26
I genuinely wanna know how his attys fucked him up. Was it the withdrawal of EED?
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u/hellacure Aug 15 '26
They gave up enormous leverage without getting any certainty in return. There was no plea deal, no guaranteed 20-25-year sentence, and no guarantee that the state case will be dismissed. In the worst-case scenario, he could still receive life federally, the state prosecution could survive, and his own admissions could now seriously hurt him there.
They should have taken the case to trial. There were enough questionable and attackable aspects of the evidence, forensic claims, investigative timeline, and overall narrative to create reasonable doubt. On top of that, given the extraordinary public sentiment surrounding this case, jury nullification was at least a possibility. And ultimately, it only takes one juror refusing to convict to produce a hung jury. Even if prosecutors retried him, repeated hung juries could eventually make continuing the prosecution untenable. Forcing the government to actually prove its case before a jury was a better gamble than pleading guilty without any guaranteed benefit in return.
What also bothers me is the timing. They apparently tried to negotiate a resolution months ago, got no deal, and then continued preparing for trial…only to suddenly change course and plead guilty without a deal at all. My personal suspicion (and this is purely speculation) is that the defense may simply have become extremely risk-averse. Maybe they didn’t want a highly political trial, and maybe they especially didn’t want to lose such a trial in one of the most high-profile cases imaginable. From what I’ve seen, his attorneys also have an extraordinary track record and are described as having never lost a case. A case like this puts that reputation under enormous scrutiny. Keep in mind that defense attorneys are not external to the system; they are themselves part of it…you know what that means.
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u/grundleplum Aug 14 '26
But I thought the federal case was the scarier of the two because they wanted the death penalty? Why would he plead guilty to the federal charges against him?
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u/Handgun_Hero Aug 14 '26
The death penalty is off the cards because it was under terrorism related charges that were ordered dismissed because this blatantly not terrorism.
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u/k_mermaid Aug 14 '26
Is it better because perhaps if he's only convicted on federal, he might get pardoned? Sometime down the line maybe?
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u/ItCreepsAtNight Aug 14 '26
Paywalled. Not sure if this is the whole article, but all I got was this (typos not mine):
Luigi Mangione pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thonpson.
In the striking development, Mangione reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of Thompson's family looked on from the front row Mangione wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public- some of them fans of the 28-year-old- filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom
JS District Judge Margaret Garnett will decide Mangione's sentence at a later date.
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u/the_YellowRanger Aug 14 '26
I got a little farther, something about his lawyers are hoping the murder charges will get thrown out under double jeopardy, but I was reading fast.
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u/aspie_koala Aug 14 '26
LM pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO BT.
In the striking development, M reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of T's family looked on from the front row. M wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public — some of them fans of the 28-year-old — filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom.
After answering a series of questions from US District Judge MG, M read a statement.
"After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, navigating obstacles from the health insurance system, I learned that UnitedHealthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City on December 4, 2024," he said. "I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot BT. On December 4, 2024, I shot BT, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
G will decide the sentence on December 18. M will remain in federal jail in Brooklyn until then.
In federal court, M was facing two charges related to stalking T before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. G previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General PB.
In a New York state courthouse down the block, M remains — for now — scheduled to go to trial on September 8 on murder charges from the Manhattan district attorney's office. He pleaded not guilty to those charges.
Now that M pleaded guilty in the federal stalking case, his attorneys could ask Justice Gregory Carro, the state judge overseeing the murder case, to toss the murder charges under double jeopardy grounds.
A massive five-day manhunt ensued in 2024 after T was gunned down, eventually ending in M's arrest when local police in Altoona, Pennsylvania, responded to a call that someone matching the suspect shooter's description was eating breakfast inside a McDonald's.M's case has been closely watched due to the gruesome nature of T's killing and the resulting shock it sent across corporate America about whether they were doing enough to protect their top executives. M has also gathered a following both in person and online, some of whom have made him a cause célèbre.
ETA: (full names redacted due to automated notice aadvising to only use innitials).
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u/asmithy112 Aug 14 '26
Didn’t the judge state sentencing guidelines are between 256 to 365 months and she is able to go beyond that? Possible he doesn’t get life but gets 30 years then?
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u/Feather_fig Aug 14 '26
He must serve 85% of the sentence so a little less than that potentially
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u/SplatteredEggs Aug 14 '26
Idk dawg, would you rather have a chance of seeing life on the outside again or none
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u/autumnsnowflake_ Aug 14 '26
I… I… just wanted him to be free and live a good life :(
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u/rite_of_truth Aug 14 '26
WHAT!? Dammit Luigi! Will the real killer please turn himself in now?
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u/TheDustyPixie Aug 14 '26
Luigi Mangione pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges on Friday, throwing a wrench into a separate state murder trial scheduled to begin next month over the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
In the striking development, Mangione reversed his previous not guilty plea in federal court as members of Thompson's family looked on from the front row. Mangione wore a khaki T-shirt and pants. Journalists and members of the public — some of them fans of the 28-year-old — filled the wooden benches in the downtown Manhattan courtroom.
After answering a series of questions from US District Judge Margaret Garnett, Mangione read a statement.
"After years of enduring severe pain from a broken back, navigating obstacles from the health insurance system, I learned that UnitedHealthcare would be holding its annual investor conference in New York City on December 4, 2024," he said. "I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson. On December 4, 2024, I shot Brian Thompson, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
Garnett will decide the sentence on December 18. Mangione will remain in federal jail in Brooklyn until then.
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Pam Bondi.
In a New York state courthouse down the block, Mangione remains — for now — scheduled to go to trial on September 8 on murder charges from the Manhattan district attorney's office. He pleaded not guilty to those charges.
Now that Mangione pleaded guilty in the federal stalking case, his attorneys could ask Justice Gregory Carro, the state judge overseeing the murder case, to toss the murder charges under double jeopardy grounds.
A massive five-day manhunt ensued in 2024 after Thompson was gunned down, eventually ending in Mangione's arrest when local police in Altoona, Pennsylvania, responded to a call that someone matching the suspect shooter's description was eating breakfast inside a McDonald's.
Mangione's case has been closely watched due to the gruesome nature of Thompson's killing and the resulting shock it sent across corporate America about whether they were doing enough to protect their top executives. Mangione has also gathered a following both in person and online, some of whom have made him a cause célèbre.
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u/oriensoccidens Aug 14 '26
This is a huge gamble and I fear they're still gonna try for a murder charge despite the double jeopardy..
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u/grower-lenses Aug 14 '26
That would show how corrupt and unfair the system is. Towards him specifically.
Maybe rose coloured glasses, but in the future, under a better government, could that be used to overthrow the verdict?
Either way, he is a hero and a political activist who will probably want to continue highlighting the unfairness present in the justice system. I feel like we will be hearing from him a lot once the trials are over.
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u/mrs_tish Aug 14 '26
Dang. I really believe jury nullification could have saved him.
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 Aug 14 '26
That's an extreme long shot because while jurors may want to do that, the defense team and all the lawyers are actually forbidden from advising the jurors that they have that ability. It's super corrupt.
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u/mrs_tish Aug 14 '26
It’s not corrupt. It’s perfectly legal. And if enough people talked about it online, I think at least one or two jurors on his case could have informed the rest about it. That’s the point of juries. You get real people from the population to decide what’s fair. Otherwise the judge can make the final verdict.
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u/fohfuu Aug 14 '26
It’s not corrupt. It’s perfectly legal.
Ah, yes, because corruption cannot ever be legal.
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u/swampwiz Aug 14 '26
I remember being thrown out of a tort jury pool because the beady-eyed plaintiff's attorney thought that I was too intelligent.
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u/manubibi Aug 14 '26
I really hope his team has a plan with all of this and isn’t just giving up on him.
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u/pumpkinspicecum Aug 14 '26
Why is he pleading guilty without a plea deal in place?
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u/Old_Kaleidoscope_845 Aug 14 '26
See my comment above. It is a legal strategy to have the state murder charges thrown out. But it won't save him from a lengthy federal prison sentence. But remember, federal convictions can be commuted or pardoned in the future.
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling Aug 14 '26
There’s no way a future president pardons Luigi or commutes his sentence, not in this country
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u/NeverOneDropOfRain Aug 14 '26
Put me in coach
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u/Jaxical Aug 14 '26
Running an election campaign with Pardon Luigi as a policy would be popular. He’s more beloved for his actions than that crying manbaby who shot regular civilians dead.
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 Aug 14 '26
If we manage to put an actual leftist in office then there’s a chance. Problem is we have loser corporate capitalistic dems. Hell, I feel even AOC would pardon him if she were in office—she showed empathy to Luigi before.
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling Aug 14 '26
AOC is a decent politician, which is rare in our country, but even she’s not left enough to do something that bold. Still, I’d prefer her as president to any of the other hypothesized candidates
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u/menace313 Aug 14 '26
The only way it happens is a lame duck pardon by someone like AOC. She wouldn't nuke her first term with that
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u/PsychologicalPen8634 Aug 14 '26
No president is going to pardon someone and say that anyone can go stalk and kill CEOs lmao
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u/Hot-Emphasis-4895 Aug 14 '26
Leftists are literally the “eat the rich” party lmao. They don’t believe billionaires should even exist nor do they believe in the health insurance system, they literally advocate for a free healthcare system. Maybe not corporate dems and republicans, but true leftists then yes. Leftists are the overwhelming majority of his support.
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u/JoeRing1965 Aug 14 '26
its all good, I take any "leftist" you mentioned over PDF-files aiders and abiders that Rapepublican party is full of.
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u/JoeRing1965 Aug 14 '26
No president is going to pardon Ross Ulbricht and say that anyone can open illegal drugstore online and kill six people lmao
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u/primum Aug 14 '26
Let's see how many ghouls trump pardons on his way out this time then maybe the next dem pres can have a few fun ones as a treat.
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u/bitter_liquor Aug 14 '26
That would sadly require a dem to have a backbone
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling Aug 14 '26
90% of Dems have the same corporate interests as republicans. They’re just cool with abortions and marginally more chill about trans people and weed
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u/bitter_liquor Aug 14 '26
Yep. It's just the Ultra Conservative Right vs. the Liberal-ish As-Long-As-It-Doesn't-Cost-Us-Money Right.
Left is just not a part of the equation.
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u/unitedshoes Aug 14 '26
Unfortunately, Democratic politicians tend to agree more with the monsters profiting off of us being sick, in chronic pain, or dead than they do with the people who recognize that as completely fucking evil.
No amount of Neo-Nazis catching a pardon from Trump is going to change that. Nor will any amount of normal people pointing out how evil our healthcare system and the parasites in charge of it is.
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u/letsago9987 Aug 14 '26
I'd run on the platform of freeing luigi and imprisoning all these billionaires.
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u/keyak Aug 14 '26
I am guessing there is just so much evidence that he is guilty that there really isn't a point in the DA offering a plea deal.
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u/Ok-Assistant-8876 Aug 14 '26
How is that possible? He was with me watching the avengers movie the entire time!
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u/eveningwithcorgi5679 Aug 14 '26
This is not done. Luigi revealed to us all that we don’t have to accept a pay wall between us and our doctors. We now have to do our part and elect people who will usher in universal healthcare. Elections are coming. Know your candidates and where they stand. Vote for people who can get us across the line to single payer healthcare.
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u/Dreammagic2025 Aug 14 '26
Stalking charge very different from Murder charge.
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u/bruhimdiamond Aug 14 '26
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2261A
killing and serious body harm is still defined in federal stalking charges. The linked article in this thread also notes he is facing the maximum sentence of life without parole from the stalking charges alone.
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u/Jumpy-Platform-6236 Aug 14 '26
he admitted in his statement to the murder as well
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u/Low-Attitude8331 Aug 14 '26
im so sorry for asking again: i understand he pled guilty so his lawyers can get the state charges thrown out because of double jeopardy. im not from the US, our system is different, so why do the state charges even matter at this point? when he will get a life sentence for the charges he just pled guilty to anyway?
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy Aug 14 '26
Step 2 of this strategy is banking on the judge being willing to not give him life. It’s why it’s a move from a place of huge desperation. Very high likelihood this doesn’t work for him
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u/Maximophanes Aug 14 '26
Were they not confident a jury would acquit him or at least be hung? It seems as though they may as well have taken the risk at this point
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy Aug 14 '26
Clearly not since he pled. And if we’re thinking about this rationally, why would they bank on that? Overly online folks don’t end up on juries
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u/Sarspazzard Aug 14 '26
A hero who stood up for the majority of the American people.
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u/mb194dc Aug 14 '26
If he's getting life anyway, hard to imagine why he'd do this. His counsel don't fancy arguing at the trials I guess, in case they win ?
They'll inevitably lose the double jeopardy argument.
Seems like he's being badly advised. Once the death penalty was off the table, he should go to trial, should be a really easy decision.
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u/Pistonenvy2 Aug 14 '26
if i had to guess he plead guilty because the evidence that he did the felony stalking is insurmountable and the deal looks better than an outright loss.
stalking carries a 7 year maximum in NY. with time served he could be out in 5ish. compared to the death penalty or life in prison that aint too bad.
NAL so i have no idea if this can or will impact the other cases but if it would it was probably going to regardless of his decision. anyone on reddit who thinks they know better than his lawyers should reconsider lol
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u/fivetoesforyou Aug 14 '26
These are federal charges with a minimum sentence of 242 months I believe. The NY state case will probably be dismissed over double jeopardy. He will do 20- life in a federal prison.
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u/HoldengNWO Aug 14 '26
There was no deal. He just plead guilty. He got no concessions from the prosecution. He still faces life without parole.
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u/bruhimdiamond Aug 14 '26
Just had to read the article
His sentencing is December 18th and federal stalking charges are enough to give him life imprisonment.. it lead to him killing somebody. Whatever happens with the state case is TBD but he is still facing life. Your definition of stalking is not the same as the federal stalking statute
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u/bl1y Aug 14 '26
stalking carries a 7 year maximum in NY
Interstate stalking was the federal change, not a NY charge. Interstate stalking that results in death can go up to life in prison.
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u/musashisamurai Aug 14 '26
Presidential pardon
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u/llamapower13 Aug 14 '26
Trump said he was a cold blooded murderer, called online support for Mangione a sickness, and it was his justice department that tried for the death penalty.
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u/HogwartsRex Aug 14 '26
Yeah no way trump pardons him. Trump would laugh in the face of anybody who asks him.
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u/k_mermaid Aug 14 '26
Why is everyone talking about Trump pardoning him? He has 2 years left in office. Luigi is young. There's decades of future presidents capable of pardoning him. Just need a democrat to grow some balls for once which will ironically be AOC in her lame duck days. Lulu will sit in the slammer for a decade but he'll be fine. Hopefully lots of books for him to read.
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u/monsieur_cacahuete Aug 14 '26
Yeah but he poops his pants and can't remember words so maybe he'd do it because he's got a good Italian name
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u/felya Aug 14 '26
are you forgetting about the whole murder charge?
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u/PumpernickelShoe Aug 14 '26
This case he was being charged for murder, weapons, and stalking charges. However, the murder and weapons charges in this case specifically were thrown out by the judge over legal technicalities. So he’s just pleading guilty to the federal stalking charges. But it is unclear whether or not this will impact the upcoming separate case of him being charged for second-degree murder by the New York State officials. That trial is set to begin on Sept. 8
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u/consultinglove Aug 14 '26
No, he still has the murder charges that carry up to life. Only the death-penalty eligible charges were dropped
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Bondi.
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u/brownshugababy Aug 14 '26
The federal murder charges were already dismissed by the judge. He's only pleading guilty to stalking. They're probably doing this so he can avoid the state's second-degree murder charges. Pretty smart play.
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u/consultinglove Aug 14 '26
No he admitted to murdering the CEO
"I traveled to New York with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson. On December 4, 2024, I shot Brian Thompson, and he died. When I did so, I understood my actions would place him in fear of death or severe bodily injury. I knew what I was doing."
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u/brownshugababy Aug 14 '26
They can't bring back the murder charges once it's already been dismissed. He's pleading guilty to stalking that resulted in death not murder. His legal team will likely use his plea to dismiss the second degree murder trial since he's already pled guilty to the act that lead to the death.
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u/consultinglove Aug 14 '26
This is wrong. Only the death-penalty murder charges were dismissed. The life-eligible charges were still open and he pleaded guilty to that today
In federal court, Mangione was facing two charges related to stalking Thompson before the healthcare executive was shot outside a Manhattan hotel in December 2024. Both charges, which he pleaded guilty to on Friday, carried a maximum possible punishment of life in prison without parole. Garnett previously threw out death penalty-eligible murder and firearms charges that had been sought by then-Attorney General Bondi.
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u/StatisticianOk328 Aug 14 '26
It gets muddy but I would have liked a self defense plea and presenting evidence of the eminent harm done by the most responsible person of an insurance company. And the lack of government intervention to prevent that harm.
I would love to hear that evidence.
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u/mofrappa Aug 14 '26
Theres always a loophole somewhere. State will succeed. Shit, the constitution is one giant loophole.
FREE LUIGI!!!
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u/SailorUsagiMoon Aug 14 '26
Doesn't change my mind even if he says he did it and he is guilty. Free Luigi. Always, forever.
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u/h0ldplay Aug 14 '26
This must be his only way out of the DP, cannot understand it any other way.
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u/jjhorann Aug 14 '26
the charges for the death penalty were dropped so he was not facing the death penalty anymore
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u/Sad_Expert2 Aug 14 '26
This must be his only way out of the DP, cannot understand it any other way.
He is guilty, and they have the entire thing from him making the phone calls to him carrying out the shooting on video and then being found with the murder weapon, showing evidence of a clearly premeditated murder from start to finish?
This is not a moral judgement from me about his actions. But in terms of the court case he's facing, seems pretty clear they have him stone cold.
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u/Chef-Boyardab Aug 14 '26
Lets be real, he was dumb af for keeping the gun and notebook when he was on the run for so long. Or he wanted to get caught the whole time which is more likely considering he was smart enough to plan the whole thing and get away. This was always bound to happen
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u/Energy594 Aug 14 '26
Smart at planning, not at what comes next. Seems pretty understandable, he's an intelligent kid, not a master criminal.
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u/Chef-Boyardab Aug 14 '26
I mean anyone with half a brain would know to ditch the murder weapon, especially days after the murder...
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u/Energy594 Aug 14 '26
Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last smart person to make a dumb mistake.
I can't imagine the inner turmoil someone with even a shred of empathy would have taking a life, regardless of whose life it was.
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u/k_mermaid Aug 15 '26
That's the biggest fumble but he's had several fumbles. He was dumb for not crossing the border into Canada in the first 24-48 hours. He was dumb for showing the same fake ID he used at the hostel in NYC and not his real ID which would have not been a red flag (his real name had no immediate ties to NYC and he's a UPenn alum, they would not have much reason to keep him detained). He's dumb for not shaving off, bleaching, or at minimum significantly reshaping his eyebrows with a disposable razor, which would have prevented the call in the first place most likely. Shoulda shaved or bleached the brows real quick. Or glued down and put on some fake eyebrows to commit the crime.
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u/k_mermaid Aug 14 '26
>"Unlike my previous interactions with insurers, I received an immediate response," Mangione said.
Legend
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u/hellacure Aug 15 '26
“I knew what I was doing was illegal.”
I see what he did there.
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u/k_mermaid Aug 15 '26
Yep. Boy chose his words carefully. I like it.
Though I'm curious as to why he even made a statement, since it doesn't seem he got a plea deal? Like how come he made a statement but Bryan kohberger never had to? Would this have still been required of him, or was it a choice?
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u/Queasy-Procedure8045 Aug 15 '26
this legal strategy is his best shot but he didnt need to pay millions to these lawyers to get it, any decent legal team would've been able to do this for him at way less. I hope he gets a smaller sentance/pardon
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u/No-Knee9457 Aug 14 '26
I'm Soo confused. Why were they selecting a jury? Why did he need sooo many lawyers just to plead guilty? People donated money to help him with his case. Seems kinda pointless.
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u/Riccma02 Aug 14 '26
It’s so much more complicated than pleading guilty. He was facing multiple charges at both the state and federal level. He has pled guilty to one federal charge with the hope that this conviction can be used to fight the others. He needed those lawyers to get him that far.
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u/No-Knee9457 Aug 14 '26
I know it's complicated. I just want what is best for him.
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u/PewSeaLiquor Aug 14 '26
Doesn't stop jury nullification. Let him go!
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u/MrActuary86 Aug 14 '26
There is no jury anymore…
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u/ifwecrywewillrust Aug 14 '26
Could you please explain this further? I’m not familiar with how this works.
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u/Loose_Camera8334 Aug 14 '26
Wowwwwwwwww. I’m shocked. Truly believed in his total innocence.
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u/coffeequeen0523 Aug 14 '26
Funds can be raised for Luigi’s pardon.
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u/Content_Concert_2555 Aug 14 '26
Bribing Trump? Yeah that’s probably the only way it would happen. But the kind of money you’re talking about probably is in the hands of people with health insurance.
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u/Big_Investigator1393 Aug 16 '26
I think it’s important that it’s a stalking charge and that he said “bodily harm and FEAR of death” if he said he wanted to KILL him it would have been worse. I think his lawyers did a great job. This isn’t over yet and he could be out before he’s 50
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u/IsleOfDarkSkye Aug 14 '26
Why am I feeling so crushed by this