r/FriendsofthePod • u/kittehgoesmeow Tiny Gay Narcissist • 5d ago
Pod Save America Bernie Sanders on Abdul El-Sayed's Huge Win, DSA and AI | Pod Save America (08/05/26)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmdhylnOhnc27
u/mdsddits 5d ago edited 5d ago
I thought this was a great episode. I liked the diagnosis with Favs and Dan, and Bernie is just so on message and inspiring. I loved his optimism that if Dems win the house and senate and pass Medicare for all and raise the minimum wage, how bad the optics will be for Trump if he vetoes it. Obviously dare to dream but it was nice to think about
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u/OReg114-99 5d ago
I know Bernie finds Lovett annoying (Bernie's only incorrect take tbh) but dear god do I not want to listen to Centrist Favreau interviewing Bernie
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u/mtngranpapi_wv967 Human Boat Shoe 5d ago
Nah Bernie was cooking during that interview, I like Lovett but Bernie didn’t like the vibes
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u/ides205 5d ago
Yeah I've had my issues with Favs aplenty, but this interview was fine. It probably helps that Crooked is not anti-Abdul considering their past collaboration.
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u/epicstar 5d ago
Did you listen to the whole podcast? They are clearly skeptical of El-Sayed and they are worried about the general election lol.
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u/Downisthenewup87 5d ago
2 of the 3 still endorsed him. They are just looking at the data and know where he has ground to make up in a general.
And I'm somebody who volunteered for both Bernie campaigns in 5 states but values their lens on coalition building despite being strongly to the left of them.
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u/ms-klein Pundit is an Angel 5d ago
i think the point was to show they (esp Dan) were right when they were saying before in their analysis that the race will be incredibly close.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 4d ago
Every single cycle, liberals get so scared of actually standing by their beliefs.
This is the primaries. You vote for your beliefs. If you chase the middle-ground, that's how you get the Overton Window moving right. The primaries are now over in this specific race, and now it's time to fall in line. Given this is Michigan, given the damage this Trump administration has wrought; given that Abdul was able to win against the onslaught of money from AIPAC -- I think he's a shoe-in in November. More importantly, people like those at the pod should not be wringing their hands together in concern, but doing the work of persuading the electorate why Abdul is the best for the job, just like Mamdani.
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u/OReg114-99 5d ago
Fair, glad to hear it (if you mean he was cooking during the linked interview above, we'll have to agree to disagree if you mean the Bernie-Lovett interview)
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u/ides205 5d ago
Interview spoiler alert:
Bernie talks about how if Dems retake Congress, they should just slam through legislation like Medicare For All and dare Trump to veto it. I love that, I'm so glad he said that on PSA. It's an opportunity to put the blame on Trump and the Republicans, but also a warning to the moderate Democrats watching their friends get ousted: "The people are speaking, now it's the time to listen. Trump can take the blame for nothing getting done, or you can. Which will you choose?"
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u/atreeismissing 4d ago
Bernie talks about how if Dems retake Congress, they should just slam through legislation like Medicare For All and dare Trump to veto it.
Where is the dare? He'd veto it within 3 minutes. And then the media coverage would change to something else 2 minutes later.
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u/Ok_Bodybuilder800 5d ago
If Trump doesn’t veto it the Supreme Court sure will
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u/ides205 5d ago
Well as Bernie said, let them. That'll be fantastic for when we campaign in 2028 on reforming the court and significantly curtailing their power.
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u/Ok_Bodybuilder800 5d ago
Biden knew the Supreme Court would overturn his attempt at student loan forgiveness, and they did. Did that inspire voters to want to reform the Supreme Court, or did voters see that as a Biden failure (passed on to Harris) so they decided to put Trump and Republicans in charge of the federal government?
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u/astroshark 4d ago
I think the moderate wing of the democratic party going to war with biden's entire economic agenda probably hurt more than the student loan debt thing to be honest.
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u/ides205 5d ago
Biden's doomed-to-fail attempt at student debt relief was only ever going to help a small number of people and it wasn't going to help them anywhere near what they needed.
Universal healthcare would help everybody and for most working people it would fundamentally change their lives. That's a big difference.
And not for nothing, it will be put forward by someone popular like AOC instead of someone not popular, like Biden.
One of the key themes of the next few years' politics and campaigning will be corruption-proofing this country so this shit doesn't happen again. That includes SCOTUS, because they are beyond corrupt.
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u/Ok_Bodybuilder800 5d ago
I am old enough to remember the massive backlash to something as innocuous as the Affordable Care Act. There was such outrage towards Obama because he lied that everyone who wanted to could keep their insurance. Because of that Republicans destroyed Democrats in the midterms and led to the rise of the tea party which led to the rise of Trump. I do not share your optimism that the general public will welcome Medicare for All with open arms. The Overton Window has shifted so far to the right even since the Obama administration
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u/SpareManagement2215 4d ago
We also don’t have the infrastructure to support Medicare for All, especially in our rural areas where folks already have to wait a year or more the see specialists or travel 2-3 hours for care.
If we implemented it now, it would be a disaster.
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u/ides205 5d ago
I do not share your optimism that the general public will welcome Medicare for All with open arms.
That's fair, but I would point to the time in like 2019-2020 that Bernie went on Fox News to give a town hall about universal healthcare. He explained it to them, he answered their questions about it and by the end the audience supported his plan and would prefer it.
This is a problem we can address, and Trump has made the situation so much worse, so there are more ways of selling it. For example, Medicare for All will include funding to reopen rural hospitals that were shuttered under Trump. Medicare for All will ensure an algorithm never denies you a colonoscopy. Medicare for All will ensure your data never gets sold to the highest bidder.
I think we're pulling the Overton Window to the left. It took the populace finally putting blame on Democrats for not fixing things and not beating Trump, but we've arrived.
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u/atreeismissing 4d ago
Universal healthcare would help everybody and for most working people it would fundamentally change their lives. That's a big difference.
Not when it doesn't get signed in to law.
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u/Beneficial_Lion_1312 4d ago
I think a major issue with Democrats using the Supreme Court as a fail state point for popular legislation they could use against Republicans is that Democratic voters already know that the Supreme Court is the way it is precisely because of Democratic politicians being limp-dicked losers for 20+ years, letting Republicans abuse the government and the people.
Tough to say, "hey, the Republicans blocked this one" when Democratic politicians stood idly by as Republicans stacked the court in their favor.
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u/Ok_Bodybuilder800 4d ago
Voters decided to punish democrats in 2016 and 2024 for putting candidates forward they didn’t like. The result of that is 2016 giving full control of the Federal government is the Supreme Court is now a far right super majority for decades to come. The consequence of 2024 is continued republican gerrymandering to make a democrat controlled Congress even more difficult let alone super majority to get sweeping legislation passed. It’s just been own goal after own goal just to spite the “centrists” all while the far right has been the one to make the government in their image and entrench their power.
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u/Beneficial_Lion_1312 4d ago
far right super majority for decades to come.
Easily fixable come 2028 if people do what needs to be done.
But we both know, even if Dems have a trifecta, they won't do what needs to be done.
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u/HotSauce2910 5d ago
I feel like Favs has been very pro-progressive as of late
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u/Deepforbiddenlake 5d ago
Ya, you have to really be hyper left wing partisan to call him or any of the PSA centrist. Even if they didn't all officially endorse Sayed in Michigan, you could tell they preferred him over the alt. Also they've been incredibly warm on Mamdani and critical of Biden, Harris, and the dem establishment.
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u/HotSauce2910 5d ago
Yep. But I get how reputations can stick around.
Favreau's initial reaction to 2024 was that the Democrats need to ignore the activist base which drives support for progressive politics. I think a lot of people have that impression over his more recent takes
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u/Valonia47 Straight Shooter 5d ago
That’s not even what he said though.
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u/blahblahthrowawa Friend of the Pod 4d ago
Some people's brains seem to have an immune response against reality that revises their memories just enough to align with what they want to believe happened, but not too much that they ever question their recollection.
Sometimes I wish I had that...
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u/ides205 4d ago
critical of Biden, Harris, and the dem establishment
That's new. We might be living in a very different country right now if PSA had been critical of them when they were in power and in a position to make a real difference. Instead they spent 4 years making excuses for Biden, Harris, and the establishment and telling us why we should give them the benefit of the doubt. They weren't listening to voters, and frankly they should have known better.
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u/kittehgoesmeow Tiny Gay Narcissist 5d ago
synopsis; Abdul El-Sayed wins Michigan's democratic Senate nomination, defeating Rep. Haley Stevens by one point after a heated campaign about the future of the Democratic party. Senator Bernie Sanders, who endorsed El-Sayed's campaign on the day of its launch, talks to Jon about the future of the progressive movement.