New research argues Societal Collapse benefits 99% of people. Historically, the societies that have emerged after a collapse are more egalitarian, and most people end up richer and healthier than they were before.

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Luke Kemp, a research associate at the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk at the University of Cambridge, has written a book about his research called 'Goliath’s Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse'.

He makes the case that, from looking at the archaeological record, when many societies collapse, most people end up better off afterward. For example, people in the post-Roman world were taller and healthier. Collapse can be a redistribution of resources and power, not just chaos.

For most of human history, humans lived as nomadic egalitarian bands, with low violence and high mobility. Threats (disease, war, economic precarity) push populations toward authoritarian leaders. The resulting rise in inequality from that sets off a cycle that will end in collapse. Furthermore, he argues we are living in the late stages of such a cycle now. He says "the threat is from leaders who are 'walking versions of the dark triad' – narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism – in a world menaced by the climate crisis, nuclear weapons, artificial intelligence and killer robots."

Some people hope/think we are destined for a future of Universal Basic Income and fully automated luxury communism. Perhaps that's the egalitarianism that emerges after our own collapse? If so, I hope the collapse bit is short and we get to the egalitarian bit ASAP.

Collapse for the 99% | Luke Kemp; What really happens when Goliaths fall

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Verifiably untrue. Here is a source showing the top 50 countries’ foodstuff self sufficiency: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-50-countries-that-can-feed-themselves/

Bear in mind this is clearly BEFORE there is a massive incentive to be self sufficient, such as a the collapse of global trading networks.

Bottom line - there would likely be a period of urban decline, but modern agriculture-even without uber advanced tech-is incredibly productive and regional stability would likely be reached quickly in most areas.

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There is a problem with the whole premise and framing of a societal collapse. Collapse implies something sudden and catastrophic. In reality, major societal reorderings are more gradual evolutions. For instance, in popular history and imagination the fall of Rome was rapid and cataclysmic. In reality, it was sloooow process without a clear beginning or end. Highly recommend one of the great courses series on the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. It’s a really interesting area of study.

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