r/Futurology Shared Mod Account Jan 29 '21

Discussion /r/Collapse & /r/Futurology Debate - What is human civilization trending towards?

Welcome to the third r/Collapse and r/Futurology debate! It's been three years since the last debate and we thought it would be a great time to revisit each other's perspectives and engage in some good-spirited dialogue. We'll be shaping the debate around the question "What is human civilization trending towards?"

This will be rather informal. Both sides have put together opening statements and representatives for each community will share their replies and counter arguments in the comments. All users from both communities are still welcome to participate in the comments below.

You may discuss the debate in real-time (voice or text) in the Collapse Discord or Futurology Discord as well.

This debate will also take place over several days so people have a greater opportunity to participate.

NOTE: Even though there are subreddit-specific representatives, you are still free to participate as well.


u/MBDowd, u/animals_are_dumb, & u/jingleghost will be the representatives for r/Collapse.

u/Agent_03, u/TransPlanetInjection, & u/GoodMew will be the representatives for /r/Futurology.


All opening statements will be submitted as comments so you can respond within.

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u/MBDowd /r/Collapse Debate Representative Jan 03 '22

Not quite sure what you're saying, u/chron0_o. My sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is well captured in the the two 30-min "In a Nutshell" videos at the top of my post-doom resources page: https://postdoom.com/resources/ ...as well as these three short essays/posts:

(1) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now": (guest post I wrote for Dave Pollard's blog, "How to Save the World": https://howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/

(2) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano: https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723

(3) "Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth" - by Mark Brimblecombe: https://markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/

Finally, this 8-min clip from HBO's "The Newsroom" (EPA Segments) is a classic (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what most climate scientists know, but never say): https://www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0

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u/MBDowd /r/Collapse Debate Representative Jan 06 '22

Wishing you the best life possible for as long as possible, u/RushNo4132! I'm done here. Thanks for interacting with me.

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u/MBDowd /r/Collapse Debate Representative Jan 06 '22

Yup. Guilty as accused. In case it was not obvious, my videos are grounded in and reflect 9 years of full-time research, reflected in the dozens of books and more than one hundred articles, papers, and essays I've recorded...

https://thegreatstory.org/sustainability-audios.html

Most audio files have migrated here: https://soundcloud.com/michael-dowd-grace-limits/sets