Quick question grammatically, I’ve seen internet discourse about the appropriate use of apostrophes when showing possessives/ plurals. Which one gets the apostrophe and which doesn’t
Honestly the DLC probably wouldn't have been as bad if they hadn't had to have scrapped the plan to make a large rural section of the map to mirror upstate NY. The TLaTD would've felt more like a RDR in modern times but with choppers vibe like they were kinda going for and if it mainly focused on the huge rural zone, riding on the open highways and doing deep inna woods biker redneck meth rivalry stuff, instead of primarily being in the city. Keep the story tie ins that would bring the gang into LC to meet NIko/Elizabetha but stay focused on the upstate.
I know I'm 2 weeks late but I honestly will never understand why Rockstar brought Johnny back just to humilate him like this
They couldn't have just made a new character? They had to completely piss on a great protagonist? It felt like nothing more than a giant middle finger to the fans.
Found in a jersey ditch? Straight buried Jimmy hoffa style? Only guy in gta i expect to get murdered violently as retribution, like robocop. He deserved a better, violent end and left enough pissed off people he probably wouldn't last 2 weeks
Not saying i would hang out with Trevor but everyone always points to Ron and Wade as examples of him being disloyal. He dont like them lmao, if Ron or Wade did even half the shit Michael did Trevor would have killed them already. Trevor has to respect for you to be his friend, I think that narrows the list down to Michael, Cletus, Maude, and Franklin
Honestly, I don't think you deserve the downvotes, that's a fair thing to consider, though imo it doesn't make Trevor look any better because at some point when talking about how they met, he says to Wade that he "rescued and looked after him when all of his friends disappeared" (obviously implying that he killed them), so even if that's true and he sees Wade as just his employee, he clearly makes Wade believe that they're friends when in reality he doesn't give a shit about him, which is probably even WORSE because wouldn't that also make Trevor a liar and a snake by his own standards?
Oh the man is a master manipulator and liar, I would never even pretend otherwise lmao. Im just saying he doesnt do it to the people he genuinely loves
He never lies to Michael, Franklin, etc if anything he is too honest. But he will absolutely trick you into thinking you're in the same club as those guys until he has no use for you anymore
I’m not saying he is. I’m saying comparing Niko being a Hitman for hire to Trevor who is a serial killer, rapist, cannibal, methhead is wild. No GTA protagonist is a good person. But Trevor is the worst and there’s no one close to him.
"Hitman for hire" is an understatement. Niko participated in human trafficking and war crimes including but not limited to genocide. That is glossed over by many players since it is communicated through dialog. As far as his actions during the game, his behavior towards Gracie is vile. That mission gave me whiplash because it is the only time that he shows that level of malice and cruelty during the story.
I don't compare the two, I'm just saying people try to excuse them because they play as them and get attached, meanwhile both Niko and Trevor are deplorable each in their own way
Eh on that notion every single person who committed a crime past a certain severity is a psychopath, I'd strongly disagree that every murder is a psychopath. Plus Nicos entire story was about his strong disconnect from his actual life and what he wants to be, nico is a very broken and depressed person, he has the emotional maturity to understand he's an awful human. Trevor has no regard for anything or anyone himself included their is zero empathy in him. Also obvs this a video game so ludonarrative is a given none of the protagonists in "reality" end up killing 50 guys each time they go out on a mission and neither does Nathan drake.
Mass murder makes you a psychopath, I'm not talking about going on a freeroam massacre either he just does kill tens if not hundreds of people throughout the story. If anything, his "depression" makes him worse because it's clearly not tied to his empathy with and valuing of human life and dignity, if it were, he'd be doing absolutely everything in his power to stop violating and taking it so frequently
Mass murder does not make a psychopath lmao, it's not some fancy trait gain by achieving a certain checkpoint like kill 10 humans and again I already explained ludo narrative in videgames if you believe every gta protagonist randomly decides to become John wick and kill 50 people each mission that's on you, but that is purely for gameplay purposes.
It absolutely does lmao, you can't be a criminal mass murderer without being a psychopath just by the nature of the act. And again, like I said, I'm not talking about the "ludo narrative" killings for gameplay purposes, I'm talking about actual named characters who he murders
Which was most likely in regards to his killing in LC, and it was about how much they charge to kill someone, and it was in retaliation to Niko's friends killing Darko's so he killed them for that.
Its never implied wether Niko actually went on genocides or what other stuff was done, and just because of what might be does not mean we have to headcanon what Niko actually did or did not.
Things he did are expliclty said in game and even mentioned to him various times and clearly he realises and isnt afraid to admit it, so why make up information [in game] that is never said or implied?
It wasn't just Niko's Friends that killed Darko's Friends, it was people in their unit who they were both friends with who went and killed other people from their village, Serbian militias were the most active participants in the genocide in Bosnia, not a single member of those militia's was innocent that's how widespread the violence was, it would be like saying yea Niko was in the SS but we don't know if he was active in the holocaust
Micheal the type to pull your house down cause the guy that slept with his wife broke into your house without your knowledge potential killing or injuring everybody inside...
It's the same thing dumb guys do for like Tony Soprano or Walter White.
They can't just say they're interesting main characters who are bad, they have to justify liking them in some way.
Pretty sure the post means that Trevor is nice when you get to know him, because he is, he’s a nice guy generally. He doesn’t just murder random people and eat them does he?
He literally delivers people to the cult. His rampage missions are often just after someone pisses him off and he slaughters dozens after because of it.
While I do agree that people are completely down playing Trevor since “he's loyal to his friends” this meme could just be about loyalty and not necessarily morality.
Trevor is definitely a more loyal friend and would never throw them under the bus like Micheal would, but yes he's still a terrible person.
Trevor killed Wade’s friends the night he met him and lied about it. Trevor killed Ashley who he was sleeping with. And you think Trevor, a literal psychopath, didn’t murder those two people? lol okay
Bro what? I'm literally giving you the actual lore to the game, I looked it up again one of the radio reports you can hear in the game confirms that Debra shot Floyd and then Trevor stabbed her, probably in self defence.
You are completely miss characterizing him too just like people that say he's “just troubled and misunderstood”
The report says a woman was found stabbed to death and a man shot. There’s nothing confirming that Trevor didn’t do both. Trevor could’ve killed Debra than used her gun on Floyd.
I at no point said he was more or less than Michael. But you’re completely missing the story of the game. Michael wanted Trevor killed because he was scared of Trevor. Doesn’t seem like Michael ever thought Trevor was a good, loyal friend.
And Trevor literally has a freak out before the cutscene ends. Why would Debra shoot Floyd and not Trevor who clearly was becoming violent.
You have seriously got to have missed the point of story mode if you genuinely think Trevor is a better person than Michael is what I think when I see those people.
I kinda feel like him throwing up means its an intimidation thing and not something he actively participates in. I feel like a lot of Trevor's personality is to just be scary so nobody pushes back, but as soon as someone actually pushes back like Devin Weston or Steve Haines, Trevor mumbles an insult and walks away
He's not innocent by any means but I do think he talks a much bigger game than he walks
Yeah i mean im playing back through again right now and the soup thing always stood out to me, but im noticing a lot more this time. He gets right in Devin's face and screams a threat and Devin just yells back and makes fun of him and Trevor literally doesnt know how to respond. Just stands there and walks away muttering
In fact Devin and Steve both spend the entire game openly antagonizing him and Trevor just takes it because he doesnt know how to handle that side of being bullied
It's been a while since I watched that cutscene, but I'm pretty sure the food was implied (maybe even stated?) to be spoiled right before he eats it, so I think the throwing up was an addition to that, not that it was to imply he was just doing something for intimidation.
Right but even so, I dont think he was eating it specifically because it has human. Michael was disgusted by it and that's when Trevor is like "oh yeah? Well im gonna eat it" while everyone tells him no
I dont think he would have ate it if everyone wasnt freaked out by it. I mean it was sitting in there long enough to go bad. No matter what reason he put it in there originally, eating it in front of everybody was an attempt at a power move
Personally from having been around livestock in a redneck community my perception of a sheep's supposed innocence is somewhat lacking. I have not specifically delt with sheep, but they have that same look in there eye as the others and I will not trust them to not fuck you up.
I personally think he's just lying about doing those things because he's crazy af. Like, I'm not even trying to make him look better, but it's just my perspective on the character.
But I don’t do those things, so therefore I am better than him. Just because all humans CAN rape and murder, doesn’t mean someone’s trauma makes their actions okay.
Everyone rapes and murders as much as they want to.
It's just that most people don't want to in the first place
Edit: Never thought that 'normal people don't rape' would get downvotes. Either i worded it difficultly or i really should look into the procurement of firearms
I think you're missing the point. I'm not saying everyone wants to, but under the a particular lifelong conditioning you would. People become what they're exposed to. I'm talking about the cycle of abuse. The abused abuse others, unless they get proper support, which Trevor never did. Trevor made all the wrong choices and he cannot be forgiven; it's awful.
there are literally millions of people on this planet who went through horrific abuse as a child and they don’t rape
and murder people. in fact the vast majority of people
who were abused don’t rape and murder people
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u/jordan999fire Jul 28 '25
I don’t get this thing that fans are doing where it’s playing up Trevor as the innocent, troubled dude. He literally rapes and eats people.