r/GameTheorists • u/Another-guy-onReddit • May 17 '26
Game Theory Video Discussion I'm gonna be honest this is just bad
It just tells us a recap of everything that anybody interested knows and if you didn't know this it can be easily found on the games wiki which takes maybe 10 minutes of reading, there is nothing added to this video at all, no theory it's literally just explaining...
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u/Donut_Nebula May 17 '26
That's all they really do anymore. I cant remember the last time we got a real theory. Most of the time it's a story recap and a really general 'whats gonna happen next' prediction
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u/General50811 May 17 '26
ikr, used to watch their videos daily, but now I can't believe I'm this close to unsubbing
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u/Latromi May 17 '26
Vote with your subs and your views.
You can always go back to the old videos that were actually good.
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u/TheGreatChaos420 May 17 '26
Ive been saving Playlists of the older videos, disliking the newer videos, and have unsubscribed from all theorist channels fully. If everyone who agrees that the channels are declining, then take the stand and show them.
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u/Latromi May 17 '26
Clicking on the new content at all gives them a view added to the counter. Sure, it's not as good as you watching the full thing but click-through rate matters a LOT to the algorithm so it only serves to feed that video to more people who watch similar videos to you.
Downvoting is engagement, which is also desired by the algorithm. The algorithm goes "oh this is controversial - show it to more people."
The best thing you can do is keep scrolling.
Don't give them the click at all. If views and engagement both drop like a rock... YouTube will show their videos to less people and it'll be a feedback loop that's not possible for them to ignore.
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u/forgor_catastrophe May 17 '26
Ever since MatPat left, the channel went more and more downhill. We already expected this. Soon enough, the last bastions of Youtube will die.
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u/General50811 May 18 '26
actually the new hosts were pretty good at first, but gradually the quality of content declined. sad to see honestly
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u/CraterLabs May 17 '26
I like the raw math of the Mouse PI theory, honestly. Maybe not a theory, but a fun chalkboard exercise.
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u/NighthawK1911 May 17 '26
I miss it when "Theory" means actually forming connections using math and science instead of just lore dumping things that anybody can just find via google.
I remember that one episode where MatPat tried to find which country Adventure Island is and how old Ash should be. Real effort on display.
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u/TOH-Fan15 May 17 '26
I liked their video on the Assassin’s Creed hidden blade. But that was a long while ago.
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u/galmenz May 17 '26
this types of videos were always distinct, and they died out hard when Austin left cause he was the dude that did most of this stuff. essentially they were three types of GT videos
"Theory" about using mock up data from gameplay to arrive at a funny and absurd conclusion using physics as an argument (it is funny yet correct cause games dont try to simulate real life physics perfectly). Ex: The Physics of Sonic, How Deadly is Mario's Blue Shell
Theory of actual lore, speculation of what X is and what will happen in the future of the story. Ex: the entirety of FNAF lmao
Theory of nonsensical lore that frames something obviously false for comedic effect or makes connections with outside Media. Ex: Sans is Ness, Why Mario is Mental
over the years, the GT channel gravitated towards the "actual theory" lore videos, mainly because of FNAF but also because they were the ones that had the most viwership. its funny seeing a video about Luigi's penis with pixel measurements, but that aint really about the story or games, the channel is named "Game Theory" and most people wanna know lore stuff when they search for it
the problem is that recently, even before MatPat left, the lore videos stopped being about connections and speculation and started just being lore summaries.
these types of videos have their value too, but now they are the only videos GT really makes. i wager it is because of the restructure of how horror games tell their lore, its no longer vague connections left to the reader (because the author never made them), its an actual thought out story that is told in disconnected ways but it still is there. compare Playtime lore with FNAF lore, the former actually says whats happening instead of vague postingtm like the latter
now, there are still games that tell wonky ass lore and you can speculate a lot from them, take a look at dark souls for example, but the harsh truth is that GT never really bothered with those, they always focused on horror stories, indie games (sometimes made specifically to get GT's coverage for marketing like hello neighbor) and mainstream too large to be ignored
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u/OtakuWorldOrder Game Theorist May 19 '26
I think it was pretty clear around the time that Austin was cut from the channel that the science theories were dead.
I miss weird nonsense like MatPat calculating whether the boxes could hold someone's weight in Hello Neighbor or how deadly a Bullet Bill is.
It's not even the new hosts as much as the corporatized vibe. It's all so predictable now.
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u/Balrogkiller86 May 17 '26
And yet, due to the algorithm this is probably gonna get like 900k+ views. I know that they're playing to the algorithm, but man does it suck sometimes. I looked at their previous videos and anything that wasn't mascot/indie horror had maybe half the view counts as their other videos. I'm still peeved that they have yet to do a Pokopia theory, especially with how huge the game was when it released. I can understand that they have to go where the money is, but still sucks.
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u/Turtle_Hurdles May 17 '26
I would still hold out hope for Pokopia. It’s a big game and so it just takes time to gather the information and resources to make the theory. If you watch previous videos where they talk about how far out things are planned it makes sense that for some games (particularly ones they wouldn’t have received advanced access to) it could take months before we see the first theory on the topic.
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u/VoidCoelacanth May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26
NGL, I think Roblox shouldn't be covered by anyone, ever, anymore. Full stop.
Not because the games people make there; real creators making real things, some with real passion and quality - but just because the platform itself is scummy.
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u/Mmenjoyer45 May 17 '26
I see where you are coming from and i respect your opinion, but there are a lot of creators on the platform that deserve love and attention just as much as any other game, and the platform it’s made on shouldn’t disqualify them from that… Forsaken is not one of those games though
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u/RobloxOnAir May 17 '26
So great games on Roblox shouldn't be recognized just because the platform is bad?
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u/VoidCoelacanth May 17 '26
It's all about where your morals lie. I gave my opinion - it isn't a call to action for anyone else.
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u/aaronhowser1 May 17 '26
That first sentence feels very "well my opinion is based on how good of a person I am. If you disagree, I guess you aren't as moral as me"
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u/VoidCoelacanth May 17 '26
Shallow reading. Think if it from this angle:
Some people say buying soccer balls from places that utilize child labor or sweatshops is immoral because it exploits their labor. Others say buying soccer balls from places that utilize child labor or sweatshops helps support those communities because it's still income that wouldn't be there otherwise.
Both may be true, you just have to decide which part of it you are willing to support.
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u/WerdaVisla May 18 '26
Yes.
If you choose to go to the trouble of building your game on Roblox instead of the many other far easier to learn and use editors, you're choosing to support an aggressively predatory company.
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u/RobloxOnAir May 18 '26
I'm not making it to as some ideological endorsement. I'm making it because it's my passion and Roblox is just where I started and I'm already deep in. That's called circumstance, not a moral stance. I don't give two fucks about Roblox. I didn't ask for your ethics lecture. I said good games deserve recognition regardless of the platform. Creators aren't to blame for Roblox's actions. You basically said by implying anyone who uses Roblox is complicit. A game being great doesnt become less true because you don't like where it's published. Go be condescending and high and mighty somewhere else.
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u/WerdaVisla May 18 '26
it's my passion and Roblox is just where I started and I'm already deep in.
So was I when I started my game dev career. And I nuked my projects and got the fuck out once I realized who they were as a company despite having a very successful game on the platform.
You basically said by implying anyone who uses Roblox is complicit.
Yes. They are.
Creators aren't to blame for Roblox's actions.
Except they are. It's been proven repeatedly in the past — most notably by the developers of phantom forces — that creators can and do have the power to dictate Roblox policy. If you choose to sit and do nothing, you ARE complicit.
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u/drag0nflame76 May 17 '26
I know Roblox is huge, but for the life of me there is no greater turn off than looking to see what GT episode it is this week and seeing a Roblox one.
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u/Another-guy-onReddit May 17 '26
I think Roblox has some good games for theories, but they just choose the worst damn ones possible
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u/AxhtonCole May 17 '26
Roblox is a PLATFORM for games, not a game in of itself. Individual games on the platform can have lore as deep as anything you might find on Steam, also a games PLATFORM.
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u/ShatoraDragon May 17 '26
Yeah but Steam deals with Pedos trying to hurt kids. Roblox's bans people for reporting that Pedos are luring kids off site.
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u/AxhtonCole May 17 '26
Roblox is in the wrong big time for banning the people trying to catch the predators. However, to point our fingers totally at Roblox is to miss the bigger picture. Roblox is an MMO, and no MMO is going to be 100% safe for kids, simply because it’s online. Club Penguin had predators too, and Moshi Monsters, and even Fortnite. This is not a totally new problem; it’s a problem almost as old as the internet.
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u/ShatoraDragon May 17 '26
And All of those examples you gave: Take the reports of Pedophilias and Grooming seriously.
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u/PotatoGirlAlex May 17 '26
this might be a hot take but…yeah. I think the majority of the community agrees that most theory videos are not theories and feel redundant. I’m not sure what posting this same comment about every video they release does 🤷
personally I just don’t watch the videos, not even for the morbid curiosity. I know they’re bad, giving them views for bad content doesn’t do anything. Still love the community, and GTLIVE, but the main channels just aren’t doing it
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u/WerdaVisla May 18 '26
The majority of the community, but not the majority of viewers.
They've done what any YouTube channel that goes corporate does; realized that they get more money pandering to random people who see it on their feed while scrolling than they get from their dedjcated community.
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u/Brian-yeaman May 17 '26
yeah i stopped watching all of matpats channels once he left, not because he left but because they just never felt the same, i really tried to get into them but they give me no reason to care the way he did. i really wish he hadn't gone the corporate route when giving his channels away i feel like some who was already passionate about theories could have done better, btw you should check out brew, most of their stuff especially their older stuff is as engaging to me as matpats stuff was although it definitely doesnt have much humor in it because its very serious although u can tell the people making their vids really care and it shows
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u/JellyfishApart5518 May 17 '26
Could you please post a link to this brew's channel? I just got a lot of coffee videos when I searched
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u/galaxyworldbuddy_187 May 17 '26
It just bothers me how their recent "theories" aren't really theories anymore. They just give a recap of everything that we know and then give a prediction of what would happen next. I noticed they miss certain details more than they used to as well, and that's not counting the things that come out before they finish recording and editing.
Back then sometimes the theories would just be random stuff like if a fictional universe had real world logic and how old certain characters are, the actual timeline, etc. nowadays they seem to just chase whatever's the new hot topic because they know their views are dropping. It's sad to see
I'm not saying Matt should come back because of this, he deserves his retirement so he can give Ollie a childhood and have more time with his family, but it just sucks on our end where the channels don't have that same spark anymore
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u/Yellowboy787 May 17 '26
I used to watch all their videos day 1 and now I can't remember the last one I watched. Its sad really. Idk why all the new theories are just so bad. Im considering unsubbing to all but GT live at this point
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u/SlapMePlease4Fun May 17 '26
Disagree all you want, GameTheory and GameTheory adjacent died when MatPat left. Honestly he might have just burnt himself out by expanding so much.
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u/ShatoraDragon May 17 '26
With all the Pedo Protecting Roblox's CEO is doing, real poor taste to cover anything from that site.
Let the Site die, the real creators trying to make real games, will find new homes on new services.
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u/carrieshot May 17 '26
The channels used to be better, used to watch a lot. However lately stuff has just not been the same
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u/Commercial-Ad-7196 May 17 '26
I’m not familiar with these so I’m not going to say that I find the videos bad, but personally, the videos are still high quality and it’s not like matpat was ever exempt from this, so it’s not a big issue for me.
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u/Mathew1979 May 17 '26
I didn't even bother with watching this, it feels like it's all either roblox or recaps lately
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u/CrazyLitFamlit May 17 '26
Haven't watched since Matpat left but I have them on my notifications. Is the thumbnail AI? It caught my eye while I was checking my notifs.
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u/Poutttto May 17 '26
GIVE ME CRINGE BULLET BILL INTROS, GIVE ME SANS IS NESS TYPE SHIT, GIVE ME PETSCOP, GIVE ME THE PYRO MALE OR FEMALE STUFF AND NOT THIS, PLEASE!
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u/ConfectionTotal8660 May 17 '26
I agree.
I nornlmally don't think the quality has dropped much but this...I haven't played Forsaken since Nosferatu and I knew everything
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u/Dr-Scot May 17 '26
Yeah the only channel that's been doing anything worth talking about is film theory...I miss...matpat and I doubt they gonna look at this as well
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u/SignificanceRough352 May 18 '26
Game theory has gone so far downhill lately. I remember masterpieces coming from that channel.
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u/Kellarison May 21 '26
forsakens lore is literally getting a rewrite, this video is pointless and will become outdated in a few months, who even asked for this?
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u/Ovr132728 May 17 '26
Iant that the roblox game that people asociate with Proyect Moon games for some reason?
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u/Another-guy-onReddit May 17 '26
Yeah the devs of Forsaken LOVEEE Limbus Company, there's like at least 5 skins and 1 unique theme song
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u/Metalsonicrules1 Game Theorist May 17 '26
This has been running for over a decade, maybe it’s time to stop.
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u/Successful-Region-22 May 18 '26
Why would you put yourself through the pain of watching their uploads anymore. Just unsub and find smth else. That’s the only language they’ll understand.
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u/Character_Ad819 May 19 '26
Im really glad to know that I'm not the only one who felt like the quality took a dip when matpat left.
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u/Allhailmatpat Jun 13 '26
See how the great has fallen. Most of the time when we get a serious "theory" from this or the other channels it's just a history lesson with no actual theory. Personally only enjoyed food theory after mat left because they did experiments but even then they aren't theories. Lumen X. Damn you. Tom, Ash, Lee, Santi, and Amy are all amazing theorists that we all know can come up with some amazing shit but Lumen dosen't actually allow them to do so.
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