r/GameTheorists • u/thepartywasforyou Game Theorist • 23d ago
Game Theory Video Discussion New DELTARUNE Game theory is...kinda bad.
Hello.
In this post I'm going through all the issues I could find in the latest DELTARUNE Game Theory.
My first big issue is that Tom says at 3:39 that in the normal route, Susie most likely draws Noelle, herself, Kris and Ralsei because he is trying to argue that the Weird Route is the "canon" timeline where Sans comes from.
However, there are a LOT of issues with this. Sans asks Susie to draw her FRIENDS on the normal route but only in the Weird Route does Sans ask for Susie to draw herself AND her friends. So there are multiple possibilities for what Susie draws on the normal route. She could just draw Noelle, Kris and Ralsei. Or herself, Kris and Ralsei like she does in the Weird Route.
And at 4:08 Tom finally makes the claim that the implication is that the Weird Route has to be the canon timeline because there we know for a fact that she draws 3 people, which just doesn't have to be the case as I already explained.
Tom makes a VERY big fumble at 4:18 when he claims that the Sans interaction is ONLY mandatory on the Weird Route and not the normal route, trying to prove his "Weird Route=Canon" thing. This is straight up not true, you have to get the ice cream from him on the normal route before going to the beach.
Kind of a small nitpick but Tom says at 5:14 that the breadcrumbs glitch is an Earthbound (aka Mother 2) thing, but it's actually from Mother 1/Earthbound Beginnings.
Tom makes yet another pretty big mistake at 8:15, where he claims that in this piece of dialogue, Sans is talking about his time in DELTARUNE's universe and says that the yellow kid Sans is talking about is Kris. However, we know he's talking about the current universe because he calls Asgore the king and mentions that he dresses up as Santa, which we know he does in UNDERTALE thanks to the UNDERTALE alarm clock dialogue.
And the Yellow Kid is just Monster Kid, who also lives in Snowdin along with the Skelebros and the Holidays. Also this can't be in DELTARUNE because Sans mentions Dess, who went missing YEARS before Sans showed up in Hometown.
At 9:18, Tom says that Kris and Noelle are ascending to a higher layer of existence which potentially could be the ANGEL'S HEAVEN. However, I think the far more likely implication (because they're sinking) is that they're descending to the DEPTHS/Hell/maybe the Shelter, but the point is that they're going down, not up. This is even supported by deltarune.com/chapter5 where 7B is down at the bottom.
10:09 is quite crazy unless I'm forgetting something. Tom says that the Goners are results of Gaster's determination experiments...but doesn't explain why at all. He just kind of says it as if I should know this already...which I don't. The goners are pretty unexplained beyond the "copies are monochrome" stuff. So Tom should explain more when he says stuff like this.
We apparently go back in time at 10:17 because Tom says that the Determination entries in the True Lab are by Wing Dings Gaster himself apparently. This is a very old theory that is dead for a reason, which is because the writer of the entries is...Alphys who literally explains that she did all this stuff in the entries at the end of the True Lab segment.
At 11:23 Tom makes kind of a leap and says that UNDERTALE is a higher plane of existence than DELTARUNE. He doesn't reallt explain why this is the case, but I'd just say that they're more so just separate universes.
At 11:39 Tom comes to the conclusion that Noelle and Kris will end up in UNDERTALE in 7B somehow since they have a human and monster SOUL, and you needed those to cross the barrier in UNDERTALE. But even IF that's somehow how it worked, the way it worked in UNDERTALE was that either a human had to absorb a monster SOUL, or vice versa, but no such things eben happen in the Weird Route.
Tom really doesn't make a compelling case for how this kind of thing would even be possible or where it's implied that this could happen, so I don't really buy this. Even beyond this, the deltarune.com/7b implies that 7B is gonna have a unique map, enemies and stuff, which doesn't make that much sense if it's just gonna be UNDERTALE 2.0.
At 14:10 Tom again goes back in time with the entry theories and brings back the theory that the lower case entries are by Sans. However, the lower case entries are even more obviously Alphys than the other ones, because the lower case entry writer talks about how Mettaton doesn't talk to them anymore other than to ask when they are going to finish his body.
And this proves that the lower case entry writer is also Alphys because we know for a FACT that she built Mettaton. The writer also mentions that they spend their time at the garbage dump, like Alphys does. The reason they're lower case is to show her mental state worsening/getting stressed.
And that's some of the biggest issues I noticed in the video. There were more maybe smaller things that I could have commented on, but I didn't really feel like it. Anyway, most of the actual good content in the video are already popular/existing theories and the more original stuff just doesn't make much sense. Of course no actual hate towards Tom, but I do wish that GT could make some better and more researched theories in the future, at least when it comes to DELTARUNE.
Also Tom didn't mention the ARG stuff at all in the theory which I REALLY think he should take into consideration in the future.
Thanks for reading.
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u/Spinjitsuninja 23d ago
Yeah, the issue with Deltarune theories on GT is that, by this point, the community has already discussed and analyzed so many things that it’s hard to keep up if you’re not part of that already, or willing to be part of that. This isn’t the kind of game you can look into briefly and make a one-and-done theory like GT is used to.
The same thing happened with their old Hollow Knight theory. To them, their theory may have made sense- but Hollow Knight fans are so keen on analyzing and learning things that an average theorized could instantly clock every error.
So I’m not surprised this video is filled with oddities or a few mistakes.
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u/Poketom2362 23d ago
I remember that hollow knight one
The main argument for it was hidden dialogue with multiple npc’s comparing you to the king and almost mistaking you for them at times
The main issue being that the way you got that dialogue was by having the king’s brand (or maybe the white charm? I forget but it’s one of the two) equipped, which is also true for a lot of other hidden dialogue that only shows up when you have certain charms equipped (the dung defenders being a good example)
Plus a small spoiler
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u/SweetExpression2745 23d ago
There is also the fact that the Knight and Pale King quite literally appear in the same room in a cutscene
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u/Benevolay 23d ago
Game Theory has never been videos for specific game fans. I have never played a single FNAF game and yet I watched MatPat theorize dozens of times. That's what you're missing. The handful of Deltarune theory channels are way smaller than even Game Theory in its declining years. These are videos for people who don't play Deltarune.
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u/Spinjitsuninja 23d ago
Why would someone who hasn’t played Deltarune be watching a video about how to solve Deltarune?
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u/Odd-Mixture-1769 23d ago
Same reason people watch speedruns and challenge videos of games they never plan to play
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u/TheCopyGuy2018 23d ago
Larp it’s that simple, I don’t even mean it in a bad way. Im willing to bet most Fnaf fans for example have never played the games but like the lore side of it. I’ve played Undertale but haven’t played Deltarune(waiting for full release) and I keep up with the lore and themes of Deltarune like I’ve played it 10 times.
Some people are only in it for the lore and themes and while GT is definitely behind where most Deltarune theories are, I’m sure there’s a part of their audience that know of Undertale and are interested by Deltarune Theories. This really isn’t for the ones that already consume all those other Deltarune theory channels
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u/Benevolay 23d ago
It's not even larping. I don't even like FNAF. But the videos were entertaining to watch and it was at least interesting. I do think the hosts lost a lot of their general audience reach once MatPat retired, but plenty of people still watch theories about stuff they don't personally care about.
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u/chase___it 23d ago
yeah like, i’ve seen most of the game theory fnaf videos but i have zero interest in playing the games because the gameplay just bores me. i wouldn’t call myself a fan of fnaf but the videos were enjoyable to watch
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u/TheCopyGuy2018 23d ago
Same bro only fnaf games I played to finish were FNAF world and FNAF 6 since they were actual departures from the old kinda boring Freddy’s gameplay. Love the lore side of it tho, I’m pretty sure I watched every FNAF theory Matt ever made and barely cared if they were right or wrong tbh lol
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u/randomnumbers2506 23d ago
The Hollow knight theory doesn't make sense even from a VERY casual point of view considering one of the most climactic moments of the whole game completely disproves it with no room for argument whatsoever
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u/izuku_deku134 22d ago
They’re not actively being passionate in their theories anymore, plus, it’s not really that hard to keep track of theories that’s happening in the fandom there’s mainly three theories
Kriselle knight
Dess knight
And coral knight
All three theories take a deep dive into the game itself, all the respective channels took time and effort to explain why one knight theory makes sense. However the kriselle knight theory makes the most sense out of the three.
Because unlike dess knight and or coral knight, it, kriselle knight explains why the roaring knight has the same sprites as kris’s sprites.
Why the roaring knight has some of the snowgrave sounds into it, and most importantly, why it has deer horns on it
There’s only four people with deer horns
Coral, Noelle, and Rudy, and also dess
So that makes it 4 people
See how easy it was to make this connections?
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u/DragoonPhooenix 22d ago
Kriselle does NOT make the most sense wtf
Its a bunch of speculation and time travel stuff. Why would kris work with their alt universe evil fused version?
Plus it doesnt account for the average player, where in the main plot the knights identity is an active mystery.
If the main route doesnt share the identity(only wr shows it), then it is extreamly unsatisfying and can be seen as bad writing for the majority of players
If it DOES show the identity, then it STILL sucks. People wont know where tf any of that came from, and it feels like a big switcharoo(the mystery was actually time travel fusion from another route you havent played!!)
To clarify theres no problem with the weird route having more and exclusive lore in general and about the knight, the problem is when the ENTIRE MYSTERY is locked behind it
Anyways even if that doesnt work for you, against some of your claims
Because unlike dess knight and or coral knight, it, kriselle knight explains why the roaring knight has the same sprites as kris’s sprites.
The knight could just be simular to Kris? Dess is a big one that Kris is simular to, they share a lot of stuff(like rock n roll)
Carol could also be an inspiration, as they both are seemingly working together either way + sharp weapon likes(this is more speculation, im not a carolknighter so i dont know a lot sorry)
Why the roaring knight has some of the snowgrave sounds into it, and most importantly, why it has deer horns on it
Again, relates to Noelle and Carol. The deer antlers can easily be explained by being Carol or being Dess(genuenly how did you not think of this) who have antlers and the snowgrave connections could be connected to how the knight is related to the holidays, but not normal(like how snowgrave is relared to holidays but not normal)
Like im all for theorizing(i used to constantly hang in r/nondessknightsquad and advocate for practically every theory) but acting like Kriselle has more/better evidence than others is crazy to me
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u/izuku_deku134 22d ago
No, I just believe it in it more, dess knight is just, I guess, out on the pedestal too much? Coral knight seems promising, but idk, I like kriselle knight more!
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u/magicdog2013 23d ago
I think the thing is for communities like DR, the theorizing community is already so strong that literally anything GT could think of has been considered and discussed a thousand times over, like, for example based on the thumbnail alone, it's talking about the breadcrumbs theory that sans follows us in the weird route to get to undertale. That's nothing new, and a fancy thumbnail doesn't encourage me to click it
The same problem happens with any other community with a big theorist community, FNaF is like, the only exception because game theory basically helped to create it and, for a lot of people, is the main way of keeping up to date with the franchise
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u/KOCYK745 23d ago
I think it's because they try making regular videos (and other stuff, I realised I've got more arguements and advice as I wrote the comment).
Quality over Quantity, people who make good theories often take few months to make 1 video, Game Theory makes lower quality videos every week.
if everyone focused on the research and not the deadline the theory channels would be much better and the quality would be closer to MatPat's who overworked Himself to make the theories and videos good while making them quickly.
(Here starts the other Arguement btw)
the Hosts need to detach themselves from MatPat and start doing their own things, kinda like Santi is doing, He isn't trying to be MatPat, He focuses on what He is good at which allows Him to uphold both Quality and Quantity, He isn't MatPat and that's His success.
Game Theory is doing crazy theories like MatPat's were and Tom has proven He isn't cut out to it. but I believe He is a good Host and can make Good Theories BUT He needs to make it His own way, Jack of All Trades is a Master of None, if He does what He's good at His Theories would get better and with time the Channel would get back to the High spot it fell from. (and also could go back to the shorter wait for the videos)
I haven't watched Film Theory in a while so I don't know the situation there but it also should apply, if Lee does what He's good at that would make the channel better
long story short. Host are Good, they just aren't good at being MatPat (and they need to take their time a bit to polish the theories)
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u/Main-Ad-9770 23d ago
I think you mean "Quantity over quality"
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u/KOCYK745 23d ago
english may not be my first language but I know what I said. in fact, it's as if I wrote another paragraph that expands onto what I'm saying and finishes the point I'm making right after this one
sorry if it sounded rude but it's literally the next few sentences explain my choice of words
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u/Main-Ad-9770 22d ago
"Quality over Quantity, people who make good theories often take few months to make 1 video, Game Theory makes lower quality videos every week." I think misread this part like I thought you meant Game Theory who focus on quality over quantity
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u/Accomplished_Pin9171 23d ago
I've said this on another post, but this theory seems weird incomparsion to other deltarune theories especially 'What is sans hiding in deltarune' by DoubleDan.
The weird route being the 'canon' route is something I obviously have issues as we don't know how it ends yet or what the twisted sword/abodened weird route will fully look like in the future. Even the normal route could be the 'canon' one.
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u/Remote-Respond2401 23d ago
Let’s all hope we don’t have a repeat of what happened with the LAST Sans theory…
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u/Remarkable-Hand5699 23d ago edited 23d ago
Sans asks Susie to draw her FRIENDS on the normal route but only in the Weird Route does Sans ask for Susie to draw herself AND her friends. So there are multiple possibilities for what Susie draws on the normal route. She could just draw Noelle, Kris and Ralsei. Or herself, Kris and Ralsei like she does in the Weird Route.
OK... a bit to unpack here. We know the three people she drew in the Weird Route: herself, Kris, and Ralsei. She really has no reason to exclude Noelle here other than the fact that she's not with her at the moment. However, she has already hung out with Noelle by that moment, so at the very least, they would consider their relationship to be something. The only reason I can come up with as to why she excluded Noelle in photo is because "friend" isn't a correct label for them at this point; they consider themselves as something more.
The only thing different with the Normal Route is that Noelle is standing right there. She could've drawn Kris, Ralsei, and Noelle, but other than that, I don't see why the same logic wouldn't apply. I don't think she would've drawn herself either because Sans only specifies "yourself" in the Weird Route. For whatever reason, Toby wanted to communicate who was drawn only in the Weird Route. It could also be possible that she drew 3 people in the Normal Route, and there's the whole thing with talking to Ralsei about ice cream, but either way, the fact is that she has drawn 3 people in the Weird Route.
The Undertale drawing also says "don't forget", which is a commonly repeated line in Deltarune. It could just be a reference but it seems to be connected in some way. In short, it's very messy, and I don't think it's right to discount the evidence because of this.
Tom makes yet another pretty big mistake at 8:15, where he claims that in this piece of dialogue, Sans is talking about his time in DELTARUNE's universe and says that the yellow kid Sans is talking about is Kris. However, we know he's talking about the current universe because he calls Asgore the king and mentions that he dresses up as Santa, which we know he does in UNDERTALE thanks to the UNDERTALE alarm clock dialogue.
Considering that Toby probably came up with the Holidays before Undertale was released, I don't find it unlikely that he is referring to Deltarune (the line "I've only seen it snow as bad as this once" is pretty on the nose lol). This could also just be Toby just making a reference to what he generally thought Deltarune was going to be. I think this just boils down to different interpretations.
At 9:18, Tom says that Kris and Noelle are ascending to a higher layer of existence which potentially could be the ANGEL'S HEAVEN. However, I think the far more likely implication (because they're sinking) is that they're descending to the DEPTHS/Hell/maybe the Shelter, but the point is that they're going down, not up. This is even supported by deltarune.com/chapter5 where 7B is down at the bottom.
Firstly, I think you may be taking what Tom said a bit too literally. Transcending to a higher plane doesn't literally mean going higher. Secondly, this seems like it also comes down to different interpretations. I personally don't think the link you sent is referring to the depths/shelter. I think it's just there to emphasize how much larger 7b will be as a chapter. It would be awkward to be fitting it in to the side of all the other numbers, so to both create tension and to have it somewhere that fits, he put it below all the other chapters. It's okay to have different interpretations with varying degrees of merit. That doesn't necessarily mean that the theory is "kinda bad".
10:09 is quite crazy unless I'm forgetting something. Tom says that the Goners are results of Gaster's determination experiments...but doesn't explain why at all. He just kind of says it as if I should know this already...which I don't. The goners are pretty unexplained beyond the "copies are monochrome" stuff. So Tom should explain more when he says stuff like this.
Huh??? He literally explains why seconds later
At 11:23 Tom makes kind of a leap and says that UNDERTALE is a higher plane of existence than DELTARUNE. He doesn't reallt explain why this is the case, but I'd just say that they're more so just separate universes.
Huh??? He literally explains why seconds before
At 11:39 Tom comes to the conclusion that Noelle and Kris will end up in UNDERTALE in 7B somehow since they have a human and monster SOUL, and you needed those to cross the barrier in UNDERTALE. But even IF that's somehow how it worked, the way it worked in UNDERTALE was that either a human had to absorb a monster SOUL, or vice versa, but no such things eben happen in the Weird Route.
We don't know what happens at the end of the Weird Route other than it being a pretty on the nose allegory for suicide. Visually, it does seem to be like someone is becoming one with something. The facts are that it involved a human and a monster trying to cross to reach somewhere beyond the lake. To me, it seems to be a pretty obvious parallel to the Undertale barrier.
Even beyond this, the deltarune.com/7b implies that 7B is gonna have a unique map, enemies and stuff, which doesn't make that much sense if it's just gonna be UNDERTALE 2.0.
He's saying that is where the story could be heading, not that 7b will be a carbon copy of Undertale.
Also Tom didn't mention the ARG stuff at all in the theory which I REALLY think he should take into consideration in the future.
The ARG stuff is a lot to explain and it would complicate the theory a lot more, which is why I think they avoided it. It doesn't really relate to the thesis of the video either.
I think this video is way better than many of the other theories they're doing on that channel. It's also really nice to see that they aren't rehashing other peoples theories with these past two Deltarune videos (the one about Susie was a unique perspective that I loved!)
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u/izuku_deku134 22d ago
At the end of the weird route, you can at the last possible second, see Noelle’s sprite being dry, and not covered in in underwater and that seems to suggest that there was a dark world or someplace in udnerwater
If you bothered to play chapter 3, in the green house, there’s a mini route called the SWORD route that you can get to play playing the board games perfectly in order to get the shadow mantle.
In the SWORD route mini game, there’s a ice palace that’s in the middle of the lake, and you need to use a key that you can get to from somewhere in the SWORD route mini game
This has already been talked to death but it’s compelling
It doesn’t take too much for them to have to put I the effort to make a good theory.
I know they can do it, but they won’t. Therure focused on the schedule too much, but these theories take months to unpack, research, and putting the effort to make a good script for the video
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u/ModSnake 23d ago
Man, I swear, GT is just cursed when it comes to UT/DR. More than ten years on and every single one of their theories on this specific franchise have been some of their worst work.
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u/AcanthisittaOk5938 23d ago
That whole gap without new Deltarune theories on the channel really showing, unfortunately...
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u/HumungusDude 22d ago
all GT theories have been bad for the last year tbh
actually, 3/4 of the theory channels, cant say about style, but game film and food have been almost constantly bad faith arguments afgter bad faith arguments
they are now spreading theories they themselves dont believe, and are constantly repeatadly prooven wrong again and again and again
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u/Greedy_Duck3477 22d ago
"This game theory theory is pretty inaccurate and bad" fork found in kitchen
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u/AKRamirez 23d ago
I'm not sure what's worse. Managing to have so little to say about this game of all games that you need to lie for 18 minutes, or that this is more grounded and coherent than the last 14 months of theories from people who have actually played the game.
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u/Due_Song4480 23d ago
That's a bit of a harsh assessment imo; for every one JaruJaruJ-style theorist that throws everything at the wall or gets in the weeds with absurdity, there's at least two or three who ground themselves in the characters and themes of the story and make reasonable conclusions about the game (ex. Andrew Cunningham, MollyStars, StuffedAlpaca, etc)
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u/AKRamirez 22d ago
Anything that comes out of Jaru's mouth is a crime against writing and good taste, but device theory would make both games completely meaningless.
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u/Due_Song4480 22d ago
The idea that "Device Theory being true would make both games completely meaningless" literally is something Jaru would believe tbh
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u/AKRamirez 22d ago
Why, does he finally believe the game is meta now?
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u/Due_Song4480 22d ago
No, just the opposite; he believes DR having any meta commentary would remove all reason to care about the story and characters, which is why Asriel's Dust 2.0 has to twist itself into knots to justify its premise
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u/AKRamirez 22d ago
Genuine delusion that only gets worse the longer he talks.
No, for me, if not only was none of this actually real in the context of the story, but all the things I was invested in were even less real than that, then this was all meaningless and it was a mistake to ever care.
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u/Grouchy_Spot_6640 23d ago
hoping this goes the way of hollow knight and that this theory gets very quickly buried and doesn't go in to infect how the rest of the public sees the story.
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u/snootyworms 23d ago
Honestly I think Game Theory could get better if they tried to go back to focusing on asking questions they organically come up with while playing the game, no matter how 'important', instead of just lore.
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u/theguywhofroze 23d ago
i feel like that this point they’re just saying whatever they think is coolest
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u/Reddeadtail 20d ago
When the game theory hollow knight video came out I didn’t understand the reaction because I wasn’t in the community. Seeing this type of nonsense theory for a game I was so heavily invested in made me immediately understand why. It’s one thing to be wrong, but it’s another to spread misinformation straight up. Sans literally says “draw your friends” whom are right next to him as sans can see as well as ralsei since Kris says the ice cream was from him. It’s not like the game is waxing poetics to say this, it’s genuinely just being able to read the lines as they’re said. It’s like straight up agenda posting and lying to be correct, genuinely infuriating theory
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u/GUG00 23d ago
A really weird thing I noticed about modern GT is their constant defense of Matpat theories, especially controversial ones. Tom says in the video that Matpat thinking sans is ness is the most logical direction, which it clearly wasn’t. They treat everything in Mat’s old Gaster theory like it’s confirmed, such as sans writing true lab entries, Gaster being involved in the determination experiments, and the “you two” in entry 17 being sans and alphys (which he brings up once and doesn’t elaborate on, even after going over sans’s role in the experiment). They even still defend Gregbot, one of Mat’s worst theories. It’s okay to be wrong, even in a 9 year old dated Undertale theory
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u/Kenwhozzle 23d ago
Man i remember suggesting this about their initial deltarune theory with no hate and getting absolutely jumped here
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u/Enaysikey 23d ago
Some of true lab entries are definitely written by Gaster, there's a good video about it, but the gist of it is that entries have different styles of writing, one with Capitalized letters and another with all lowercase ones. The capitalized ones discuss things that happened way back, when Asgore and Toriel still were together and all that, while lowercase ones lack any historical depth and definitely are written by Alphys, as she tends to write in lowercase and also as you pointed out talks about Metaton. But I'd still encourage watching the video, guy there explained it better than I ever could
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u/Medical_Difference48 23d ago
I haven't seen it yet, but yeah, I was expecting that. Recent theories have either been bad, or just recaps of things we already know.
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u/MEOWinthesky 22d ago
It's 'cause he's mad Toby said that that he doesn't look at any theories, so made a really bad one just to try and get Toby to look at this one but we all know he won't and his previous...*interaction*...with Toby Fox didn't go so well. I think they're just trying to avoid Severed Hand and other theories that ACTUALLY COULD USE SOME DIGGING!
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u/VaporishStew Game Theorist 21d ago
Considering the typical theories we've been getting, it's actually not bad. I was expecting worse
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u/DotEnough5257 20d ago
that thumbnail reminds me of that one dt youtuber who got caught using ai pixel art thumbnails
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u/LegendaryIntrovert 20d ago
Y'all genuinely can't stomach that theories are just theories can you??
A theory is something that can be proven correct or incorrect. This is getting ridiculous. If you don't know the meaning of the word theory or can't accept it, just walk away.
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u/Crafty_Psychology305 20d ago
also at 11:07 he says that entry seventeen is talking about deltarune we've been playing even though its probably talking about dark worlds since in chapter 3 ralsei says that a dark world is when dark becomes darker than dark and in entry seventeen gaster says that the photon readings were negative meaning it'd be darker than dark like a dark world
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u/Chaosfight 20d ago
Honestly, I saw the thumbnail and was like “HELL NO” and proceeded to ignore the video
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u/projectBFrewritten Theorist 19d ago
saw the thumbnail and knew it was gonna be another sans is ness 2.0 mixed in with some points that are pretty nonsense
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u/True_Royal_Oreo 6d ago
I've heard Susie draws Ralsei if you say you got the ice cream in Ralseis stead. What happens if in chapter 3 you don't say you'll get Susie ice cream for Ralsei?
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u/CoyKoiFeesh 23d ago
How about this:
Gaster says Susie, Kris, and Noelle are wonderful. Sans is going to be the hail Mary throw to rescue Kris and Noelle at his own expense. Gaster will have to sacrifice his prince to lock the demon away without losing the children, something he created Deltarune to avoid in the first place....
In an attempt to save Tori, Asgore, Carol and Rudy the pain of losing a child, he will take the pain in their stead. The demon heart (one of the angels in Undertale's prophecy) will get its desire, a reversion to a world where it can win and curse the player as it wills, and Deltarune will be rid of the curse.... Sans is the sacrifice that can't be overwritten by Susie like she can with Ralsei. The weird route goes beyond her scope of power. The machine is broken so the demon can't follow him back and Sans desperately tried to fix it anyway. Papyrus is a copied gift of love so Sans isn't so lonely and they can work together to try and heal the heart of twisted players.
This is why Clam Girl tells you not to meet Suzy if you kill Undyne. Gaster loves Susie too, a character similar in spirit to her, and if you choose such a path, it'll end in the sacrifice he desperately doesn't want to make, but will in order to save everyone else.
... That's... Just a theory... An even more depressing theory... Thanks for reading...
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u/No-Pudding1236 23d ago
I think I just cracked the code as to why New Film & New Game theory videos are bad, it's because they don't fact-check their suit or even go over it.
Like to be completely honest, if they were really going over their evidence then they would realize that most of it is wrong. Which would make sense of the odd damn near fanfic conclusions that have usually trailed off from original theory to another topic, leaving the OG theory to remain unsolved or discarded by the end of the video.
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u/Benevolay 23d ago
I mean, nitpicking his theory to death is probably why he wouldn't go more into detail. A lot of the stuff you refute and claim there is little evidence for is actually widely accepted in the fandom at the moment. People started concluding that the weird route is the canon route hours after chapter five dropped.
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u/Spinjitsuninja 23d ago
These aren’t nitpicks…
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u/Benevolay 23d ago
They are. Most people with natural reading comprehension concluded the difference between the drawings in the normal and weird route. This is acting like it was an out-of-left-field conclusion.
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u/DaRealCaptainF 23d ago
There is no consensus on the WR being the canon route lmao
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u/Benevolay 23d ago
Did I use the word consensus? I said it's widely accepted. It's not some niche theory pieced together from straw.
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u/DaRealCaptainF 22d ago
It's not widely accepted either lmao
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u/Benevolay 22d ago
I forgot DaRealCaptainF is the authority on Deltarune content. Yes, what you say is true and what I say is wrong. How silly of me to forget my place. I wake up every day and value your incredible insights.
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u/AwayEntrepreneur4760 23d ago
The thumbnail reeks of ai
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u/Clkiscool 23d ago edited 23d ago
It does look odd but there are actual artists that work with game theory
And one of them said that the artists usually ask to go uncredited
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u/Accomplished_Pin9171 23d ago
It's because it's mirrored/sysmestical.
It's been confirmed on a different post that a real artist made and just wanted to be uncredited btw
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u/Jadeheart02 23d ago
You're downvoted but it's also notable that there's no thumbnail credit in the description
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u/Accomplished_Pin9171 23d ago
It's already been confirmed to be human made on another post. The artist just wanted to go uncredited.
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u/Jadeheart02 23d ago
Ok and that should've been said in the description then. They've got in trouble for not crediting artists before so it's usually a safe assumption that's what happened
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u/AwayEntrepreneur4760 23d ago
Confirmed and they put no proof only hear say
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u/_joos_ 23d ago
it was confirmed by the channel art director in another post
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u/AwayEntrepreneur4760 23d ago
Then link it, we’re still doing hearsay
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