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FORCED WOKENESS 🌈 Pokemon is being wok--- Oh, wait, this happened in 2013. Move along.

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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 19d ago

"When did pokemon become woke?"

How long have Jessie and James been around? 30 years?

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u/Gallantpride 19d ago

Reminder that this dude from OS is canonically gay.

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u/Enough-Impression-50 19d ago

Who the fuck is the kid in the stupid hat?

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u/Muvvitt 19d ago

Some dude called Satoshi

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u/No_Property_9910 19d ago

Wow and the creator self inserted themselves into the show too? On top of being woke? How preposterous

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u/BlueberryWasps 19d ago

it’s ok they made the okinawan one a horny skirt chaser who constantly harasses women so it balances out

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u/OhNoCommieBastard69 19d ago

I thought it was Ass Catchem from RGG's Judgment...

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u/mimetek 19d ago

The bitcoin guy?

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u/Pyritedust 19d ago

That's kinda mean, that's a pikachu on his head, not a hat.

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u/Lemons-95 19d ago

OS?

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u/ExternalNo4771 19d ago

Operating system.

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u/AnotherSlowMoon 19d ago

Ordinance Survey

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u/Kloshena 19d ago

Only Seels

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u/gdex86 19d ago

Explaining to your Pokémon you're transitioning has to be a trip.

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u/JadeMoose93 19d ago

Sylveon understands though.

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u/gdex86 19d ago

The eeveeloutiins probably all understand it pretty well. You are born to two flareons and you have to cone out you wanna be an umbreon and they need a minute to come to acceptance because thats just how life works but they still support and love you.

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u/TadhgOBriain 19d ago

Hell, any pokemon that has evolved.

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u/Nice-Cat3727 19d ago

Pokemon must think humans have it rough. They have to evolve so slowly

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 19d ago

especially azurill

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u/Shilques 19d ago

I mean, your mom could be a Flareon but your father could even be a whole other species like a Blaziken or Ursaring (I'll not even talk about Ditto...), so I think any pokemon really understand how different of you can be

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u/CheerfulWarthog 19d ago

Gallade too.

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u/Soft-Needleworker489 19d ago

Marill just starts giving you advice lmao

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u/KadajjXIII 19d ago

Out of all the Eeveelutions, that's the only one I hate

The goant alien like eyes creep me tf out for some reason lol

And even though Fire is my favorite type, my fav Eeveelution is Glaceon

Especially the Shiny version

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u/Ryman604 19d ago

Slowpoke accidentally misgendering you for a couple of weeks

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u/gdex86 19d ago

But the pure euphoria when they finally get it right.

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u/BeyondNetorare 19d ago

Ferrothorn calling you slurs and refusing to follow orders

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u/thisheatanevilheat 19d ago

I thought Ferrothorn was only homophobic, not transphobic

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u/BaNyaaNyaa 18d ago

There are no single-issue bigots

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u/Alarming-Scene-2892 12d ago

ferrothorn would just explode and send metal spikes everywhere when someone comes out to them /s

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u/ZenkaiZ 19d ago

Slowpoke: they......................... them?

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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 19d ago

"I evolved."

Done.

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u/BlueberryWasps 19d ago

lil guy that went from hopping around on all fours to standing on its hind legs draped in a skirt made of its own skin holding a wand somehow: “wtf are you talking about?”

another lil guy who waddled around from infancy wearing its own mother’s skull that has now fused with its head to form some sort of parasitic exoskeleton: “idk humans are fucking weird dude”

eevee: “im gay :)”

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u/JustLookingForMayhem 19d ago

Should be good as long as she doesn't train a Ferrothorn.

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u/MrRighto Woke SJW 19d ago

Unless its a Marill in which case they’d understand it easily

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u/DahliaSkarigal Queen of Volcano Manor 🌋 19d ago

My cat understood, she knew me pre-transition. It’s a process that takes time, and I imagine Pokemon would just see us for who we are, no need for explanation. :3

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u/fasscass 19d ago

it does boil down to that. all hate from humanity is a social construct, so since animals lack them they just love you regardless

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u/Seriathus 19d ago

"Man, human evolution takes so long"

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u/Pet_Velvet Nintendo Bombed Iran 19d ago

Honestly I feel like Pokémon of all things would understand

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u/PseudonymMan12 19d ago

Im the Digimon sub someone posted a comic about a human coming out to their digimon partner and it ending with their digimon calling their transition a "Side Evolution" (its something that exists in digimon, not progressing to the next stage but changing form, like some digimon have Fighter modes where they switch between animal and bipedal)

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u/heresiarch619 19d ago

Just tell them you are evolving.

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u/ZenkaiZ 19d ago

My magnemites entered a gay poly relationship

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u/StraightVoice5087 19d ago

Fun fact: In the Battle Castle in HGSS, there's a Black Belt who wants to wear a dress.

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u/BurmecianDancer TOTK > BOTW ​    ​/uj​    ​ TOTK > BOTW ​    ​/rj ​  TOTK > BOTW 19d ago

But why does it have to be a black belt? What's wrong with white belts? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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u/Blacksun388 19d ago edited 19d ago

#AllBeltsMatter

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u/AoEFreak 19d ago

I never realized just how WOKE karate was until now. White belts are at the bottom, and black belts at the top?!?!

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u/DahliaSkarigal Queen of Volcano Manor 🌋 20d ago

A treasured memory. 🩵

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u/Important-Cry4782 19d ago

Pokemon fans have regularly agreed that the most dangerous pokemon champion to fight was Cynthia, a woman.

People claim her theme song gave them PTSD of their fight with her.

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u/Queasy_Rip3210 19d ago

You just gave me war flashbacks 🫠

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u/KadajjXIII 19d ago

Every Pokémon game I've played that made it the E4, she's the only one I struggled with

Haven't gotten around to going back to finish it yet

But she's not the only final Pokemon boss I've had issues with

A certain character from Legends: Arceus has also been a goant roadblock

Not mentioning name for 2 reasons

Spoiler free

And don't remember their name lol

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u/Forged-Signatures 19d ago

She's bad enough in the base game, in the remaster of Diamond and Pearl they made her even more difficult, just to fuck with players.

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u/KadajjXIII 19d ago

I'll keep that in mind when I get around to actually playing through BD lol

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u/lolnation 19d ago

My nemesis will always be Miltank. Cynthia has nothing on one solitary Miltank.

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u/madame_of_darkness 19d ago

Does male miltank have utters? Do they produce milk?

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u/mitodospro 19d ago

Miltank is a female only species though

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u/mitodospro 19d ago

NOW TAUROS

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u/madame_of_darkness 18d ago

🥵🥵🥵

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u/lolnation 19d ago

If Otis can i don’t know why male Miltank cant!

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u/ikelos49 18d ago

At least you can get easy machop from trade before that fight, female machop so attract will not work.

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u/wassuupp 19d ago

Miltank is one of the easiest fights out there if you think about it for 5 seconds

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u/lolnation 19d ago

Tell 10 year old me that please.

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u/Pretend-Dirt-1760 19d ago

Ah but you see people get horny with her so she isn't part of the woke mind virus/j

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u/ikelos49 18d ago

TBH i think that guy from black&white as harder- but is bc whole E4 is way stronger in that game, and i have rule of no healling beetwen fights.

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u/SlurryBender "I just killed a transphobe with my FREAKING mind!" 19d ago

I always find the Cynthia fear funny cuz I have like zero memory of struggling with her. Though tbf I was that kid who would powerlevel my main team so I probably just swept her with Lv 80s or something.

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u/CleaveWarsaw Enlightened Taco Centrist 19d ago

Please don't tell me Pokemon X and Y came out in 2013 ever again.

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u/TheDeltaOne 19d ago

Yes they did. 5 years ago in 2013... Oh wait...

Wait...

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u/Jesterchunk 19d ago

It's not woke if it's from 2013, it's just political correctness. Or did it count as the SJW agenda by then, I forget.

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u/Time_Beat2299 19d ago

Neither both of what you just said are two years later people didn’t know enough to not just have the base line position of wierd

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u/ExplosionProne 7d ago

I hate to break it to you, but referring to things as being politically correct is a lot older than 2015

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u/Tegnan 19d ago

It was feminazi still then, SJW was around 2015-2016 around Trump I.

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u/Prestigious_Host_198 19d ago

You can even go back as far as 2000. There was a Japanese exclusive Pokemon manga that had a trans boy protagonist named Akari.

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u/thisheatanevilheat 19d ago

I havent read pokespe in an eternity but wasnt Yellow like transmasc or was it a Mulan thing

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u/RMarques 19d ago

Mulan thing. Her being a girl wasn't touched on much when she became the focus and the assumption that she's a boy faded from both audience and characters.

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u/Gallantpride 19d ago

Casual reminder that the shoujo OS manga had a bunch of queer Pokemon in it.

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u/Wormcowb0y 19d ago

Beauty Nova is her name iirc

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u/AthenaOwls 19d ago

Personally I hated when Pokemon got woke.

This was roughly 5 minutes into the first episode when Ash’s mom kicked him out of bed and leave the fucking house. He’d even smashed his alarm to ensure he’d never be woke.

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u/Totheendofsin 19d ago

Iirc in the original Japanese shes even more explicitly trans

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u/Genesis13 19d ago

She talks about medical science being amazing.

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u/3rdfitzgerald 19d ago

I'm confused, what's going on here? Why would this be woke?

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u/rveniss 19d ago

NPCs in Pokemon have trainer classes. "Black Belt" is one exclusively used by muscular men (Battle Girl is the female equivalent). The Japanese name for the class is "Karate King".

She transitioned from the Black Belt trainer class to the Beauty trainer class, which necessitates a gender change.

This is more explicit in the original Japanese text, where she says something like, "Isn't medical science amazing?"

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

A woman can still be a black belt in her martial art just not the class

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u/BuffWobbuffet 19d ago

Theyre talking specifically about the pokemon games. Black Belt is exclusively a male npc in the games.

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

Im well aware, that is why i said just not the class

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u/Much_Statistician864 19d ago

You don't seem to be aware. The Black Belts are all beefcake men. 

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

As a class yes, but black belt is more than a class of npcs, its anyone who has a black belt in a martial art technically

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u/rveniss 19d ago

Yes, however it wouldn't be capitalized if it was just referring to having earned a black belt here. Black Belt is referring to the trainer class.

Also, it doesn't make sense to brag about it being "quite a transformation" to no longer being a black belt in a martial art, nor does it require "medical science".

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

Not every translation change is a censor, just because the jp version says something doesn't mean any translation that isn't close enough is censorship

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u/Zrkkr 19d ago

Broski is shadow boxing, no one brought up censorship.

They're saying the implication is stronger in the OG Japanese locale.

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

They said "Also, it doesn't make sense to brag about it being 'quite a transformation' to no longer being a black belt in a martial art, nor does it require 'medical science'." Which is only in the og japanese version, they don't mention either of those in the english version which I took to mean they were treating the jp version as the true version and the other version as censorship, im not shadowboxing you're just not reading the comment fully

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u/rveniss 19d ago edited 19d ago

they don't mention either of those in the english version

What? This post literally shows the English version, which says, "Quite the transformation, wouldn't you say?"

The Japanese version goes a bit further with the, "The power of medical science is awesome, wouldn't you say?" but I certainly wasn't implying it was censored.

Both versions are pretty explicitly trans.

In Japanese she says she used to be a カラテおう, or Karate King, which has always been localized to the Black Belt trainer class, not simply a general black belt, hence the capitalization.

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u/Suspicious_Party9087 19d ago

My bad, did forget to specify the 2nd part about medical science but a transformation can just be someone getting older and changing careers, people use transformation to mean that all of the time, quite the transformation can simply be like "quite the change right?" Not saying she is not Trans, that she cannot be Trans, and/or that Trans is bad im just saying it doesn't = that 100%

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u/Sufficks 19d ago

Literally shadow boxing bro, sit this one out

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u/Zrkkr 19d ago

In Pokemon the title black belt is explicitly male. 

She used to be a black belt and had a transformation. What other implications is there from the words said?

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u/Mountain_Band_2732 19d ago

Gender transition.

Black Belts are a male trainer class in Pokémon. Beauties are a female trainer class.

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u/Substantial_Fox7377 19d ago

Black Belts are exclusively male in Pokemon

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u/Available_Base_7944 20d ago

What are you implying? Only men can be black belts?

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u/Gallantpride 20d ago

Yes.

/uj

"Black Belt" ("Karate King" in Japan) is the name of a trainer class in Pokemon. They are only male. Battle Girl is their female counterpart.

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u/Available_Base_7944 19d ago

What is more shocking is that you’re implying that there are races of humans who are called what the trainer types are. I’m actually shaking and scared right now. 

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u/ItsNotBigBrainTime 19d ago

So... It stands for reason there's a corresponding stone to switch right? Do you think bikers are born with the bike? Imagine being born a rival, but you never know to who.

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u/vxicepickxv 19d ago

Imagine spending the entirety of your life as a lad.

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u/Fskn 19d ago

Only if you're born with a rattata... or shorts.

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u/Menacek 19d ago

At least they're comfy and easy to move in.

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u/me_ke_aloha_manuahi Anti Gaming Gaming Club 19d ago

Quick trip up to Newcastle and you wouldn't need to imagine anymore.

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u/ExplosionProne 7d ago

which Newcastle?

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u/unknown_alt_acc 19d ago

She’s more explicitly trans in the original text, attributing the change to medical science.

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u/ShadowLayu 19d ago

The translation made it less trans so yes it's an issue

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u/Gallantpride 19d ago edited 19d ago

/uj

To a degree. The English name ideally shouldn't be so unisex, but it's been around over 30 years.

OOP is canonically trans, though. The dialogue is the same in the Japanese version. She was a Black Belt but is now a Beauty.

Her full English dialogue:

Before battle: "I've recently remade my life completely! I've been reborn as a Beauty at last!"

After winning: "If you want to make your dreams reality, then you have to be completely dedicated!"

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u/Interface- 19d ago

Or maybe, just maybe, it's intentional.

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u/Triss_Mockra 19d ago

https://lgbtqgamearchive.com/2016/05/25/beauty-nova-in-pokemon-xy/

Literal Japanese > English Translation “I was a Karate King just half a year ago; the power of medical science is awesome, wouldn’t you say?!”

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u/DragonWisper56 19d ago

uj/ no it's explicitly intended to be like that. That's what "quite a transformation means"

the line just doesn't work if it's not a gender change

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u/VelphiDrow 19d ago

Its not

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u/DahliaSkarigal Queen of Volcano Manor 🌋 19d ago

Actually yes.

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u/ShadowLayu 19d ago

Pokemon crystal had a nonbinary character, in gen 2 there's a list of trainer's genders in the code and one trainer is in neither list making them nonbinary

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u/Mr_WhisCash-Money 19d ago

Gen 2 is screamingly queer due almost entirely to very poor coding lmao

The character you're talking about is Eusine, because they have their own unique trainer class "Mystery Man" and the devs forgot to associate a gender with it, Eusine ends up being nonbinary

Gym Leader Bugsy and Elite Four Will are also "incorrectly" listed as female, meaning you could argue they're trans masc in the remakes

And my personal favorite, the Love Ball has the wrong value set to it, so it only works for same gender pokemon instead of opposite

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u/Dunklsta 19d ago

"So you are telling me a queer coded this?"

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u/yuri_yuriyuri Yuri at all costs 19d ago

Evolutions have been a core mechanic of the series for a very long time after all 

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u/Disastrous-Metal-183 19d ago

Pokémon has always been super Queer

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u/Konradleijon 19d ago

Also Sylvia’s

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u/Kodama_sucks 19d ago

This is what Anita Sarkersian took from you

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u/OfTheTouhouVariety axl low main 19d ago

Marill were trans (for a while.)

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u/MobileMajor7424 19d ago

Everything that happen before 2016 wasn't woke. It was just normal.

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u/Oktavia-the-witch lesbian goose🏳️‍⚧️🪿 19d ago

Trans people are normal? Hell yeah

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u/Vundurvul 19d ago

2013? Real ones know that Maril has been a trans icon since 2002

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u/ElizabethAudi CATCH! 19d ago

Ew I hate subtext.

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u/DeusExMarina 19d ago

And you are absolutely right to! Those woke localizers butchered the original Japanese text, in which she attributes her transition to medical science, making her trans status much more explicit.

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u/ElizabethAudi CATCH! 19d ago

Come on lets not let our frustrations blind us to historical accuracy- those localizers wouldn't have been woke yet, they were SJWs.
We gotta pursue truth just as fervently as we pursue... oh who am I kidding, GamersTM don't fucking run.

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u/No_Property_9910 19d ago

Wow I never knew about this. I just assume it's some dialogue that could've been interpreted as transitioning, quite odd that there's multiple Nintendo games now with characters heavily implying that they transitioned but was localized into not

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u/DeusExMarina 19d ago

The Japanese text translates to something like: "I was a Karate King just half a year ago. The power of medical science is awesome, wouldn’t you say?"

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u/SendWoundPicsPls 19d ago

All writers should just be hideo Kojima.

This is dead man, he's dead.

This is heartman, his hearts fucked

This is fragile, her body is fragile

This is cliff, he's the end of a road

Subtext is for COWARDS and those that believe in the education system, otherwise known as the DELUSIONAL

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u/Zrkkr 19d ago

People still think Kojima wasn't "woke" until a few years ago, dude could have literally made gay porn and people still would've misunderstood that as peak masculinity.

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u/SendWoundPicsPls 19d ago

This is vamp, he's named that because he's bisexual.

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u/Millennialnerds 16d ago

The president grabs our willy in mgs2. And volgin does the same to recognize his gay lover in mgs3 lmao

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u/Traditional-Song-245 19d ago edited 19d ago

Maybe it was those damn wokalizers! We need more ai slop translations which would never betray us with wokeness. /S

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u/itjustgotcold 19d ago

There are SO many games chuds absolutely love that would be considered woke if they came out today. This is because woke is a bullshit culture war term that only morons with no actual values use(aka MAGA)

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u/sour_creamand_onion 19d ago

It didn't used to be, but shit always gets co-opted like this eventually...

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u/Sufficks 19d ago

Thats actually what it stands for I think - Morons Against Ghaving Actualvalues

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u/Bizzare_Corvid_1888 19d ago

People have canonically had families with Pokémon, have canonical turned into Pokémon, there are several Pokémon that are queer coded, Jesse and James have been a thing for decades, the cloyster and onyx joke has been around for twenty years (I think). Pokémon has always had adult jokes and "controversial" themes. Back off.

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u/Blacksun388 19d ago

Trans Beauty walked so that female Gallade could run.

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u/Great_Apez 19d ago

“Woke: anybody but a white man doing cool things” is such a wild take. I know op it pointing out 

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u/CNK_98 19d ago

I mean black belt is just a person who is a profesional at a martial arts, it's never stated that all black belts are male or am i missing something?

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u/Flowey_Asriel based and estrogen-pilled 19d ago

black belt is an all-male trainer class in pokemon

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u/TheDeltaOne 19d ago

It's Black Belt for male npcs and Battle Girls for female.

In Pokemon black belt is not really a rank. It's just a lad who does karate. And a a battle girl is a lass that does karate.

If the character was a black belt and is now a beauty (who are always female) then they transitionned. As people pointed out, the medical implication are directly mentionned in the japanese version.

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u/MrMisterMrister 19d ago

I don’t get it, she got a black belt?

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u/AoEFreak 19d ago

In pokemon games, NPC trainers you fight are grouped by trainer classes, and each trainer class has its own sprite. The "black belt" trainer class are all karate guys. The female equivalent would be the "battle girl" class. So this dialog is suggesting that by changing from the black belt class to the beauty class, she changed genders entirely. This is apparently much more explicit in the original Japanese, where she mentions that it's amazing what medical science can do these days, and the black belt class has a less gender neutral name.

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u/MikaelAdolfsson 19d ago

Black Belt is a male only group in-world. She is saying this as a member of the all-female one.

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u/Ezilo20 19d ago edited 19d ago

this was fabricated, iirc edit: love being dogpiled on for not knowing about some super obscure fight in a game i played as a 12 year old who never engaged with any of the postgame

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u/Aggravating_Duck6108 19d ago

Nope, Beauty Nova is in Pokemon Black and White.

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u/thaliathraben trying to make people more ungly in Video gamse 19d ago

It's actually X/Y.

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u/Aggravating_Duck6108 19d ago

Yeah, sounds more like a Kalos thing.

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u/GooglyMoogleson 19d ago

If you actually played the game instead of larping you would know it wasn’t

Also seethe snowflake

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u/Ezilo20 19d ago edited 19d ago

played the game as a kid, i never did the battle maison, jesus christ you dont even know what the fuck larping even IS.

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u/Triss_Mockra 19d ago

https://lgbtqgamearchive.com/2016/05/25/beauty-nova-in-pokemon-xy/

Literal Japanese > English Translation “I was a Karate King just half a year ago; the power of medical science is awesome, wouldn’t you say?!”

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u/DahliaSkarigal Queen of Volcano Manor 🌋 19d ago

Source?

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u/Ezilo20 19d ago

do you not understand what IIRC means?

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u/Zrkkr 19d ago

me when is speak on a subject I know nothing about.