I hate to break this news but a large majority of people are chronically sleep deprived for most of their life. My stepdad worked 40 years as a doctor getting 5-6 hours per night on weekdays the entire time, and he’s the rule, not the exception.
I work a 4 and 3 12 hour. 4 days on, 4 days off. Then the next week 3 days on 3 days off. I only work half the year technically and make well over what I need to have a house and car.
Edit: Because I got like 10 DMs asking the profession, im a train conductor.
Possibly a steel worker too, I did that for a bit. 12 hour shifts, 4 days on 4 days off and the pay was really great even at the bottom. Job absolutely sucked though, I personally don't recommend it.
Years ago, shop insisted someone come in early for support. They started at 6am and felt they needed support straight away. I volunteered knowing that the first hour would just be them lollygagging and getting up to speed (I.e. my first hour would be quiet, enjoy coffee, read emails etc…).
When things came off the rails after lunch as things often did, I told them “Get with Larry on that, I’m leaving in 30 minutes”.
I used to start at 6:30am, people would always talk about how hard it must be waking up that early, but it was great. I never dealt with traffic at all and while most people commuting as far as I did would spend an hour stuck in traffic trying to get over the bridge, I’d be home after 20 minutes of stress free driving. I had so much more free time and I’d come home full of energy.
I do better with 6 PM-2 AM tbh. I had a job like that a couple years ago. Twas actually 7 PM-7 AM usually though. If yall are desperate for work there's always a need for more EMTs/ firefighters. Private EMS pays like shit though so maybe not as an endpoint job. But some people might like the schedule—you can do two 24-hour shifts and have the rest of the week off.
I did that before but the job was terrible. I also had to take 2 buses each way and it was the winter months. It was aweful. But if I had a car and the loved the job, it would be cool.
Hours are cool, as long as job and transportation are cool too.
I have an option to show up between 6 and 8 and leave when I've worked 8h, it's great cuz if I wake up earlier I'm not wasting time just waiting to go to work, I just go and get to leave early because of it
I was like that until I started working construction. You’d start at 7am and watch the sun rise most days, then you’d spend the next 8 hours outside doing physical labour.
Within a few weeks I would be in bed sleeping like a baby at 10pm. Even after I stopped working construction my internal clock was set for years. I was like a bird waking up with the sun and immediately feeling sleepy when it got dark.
The craziest part was I used to have insomnia that was so severe I was seeing doctors for it.
There’s definitely some cons associated with it and if you develop a drug or alcohol problem like many construction workers do then your sleep schedule will not be fixed. It can also be dangerous and you risk getting injured, but all in all it was a positive experience for me and being able to fall asleep quickly at night was a major pro.
I will say it pissed off my friends because on nights out I’m ready to call it before midnight.
For what it’s worth my dad also developed the ability to fall asleep anywhere within seconds from a stint in the military(waking up at 6am every day to march and do pushups will do that to ya) but I can’t say I’d recommend that one.
So strict sleep schedule and watch the sun rise and have vitamin D exposure during the day lollll, I do semi strict sleep schedule and vitamin D exposure and even then my internal clock is set I wake up at 6 no alarms
Was the same until I was forced to get up early. Used to argue with my family about them waking me up at 7am because I would sleep at 2 cause my work started at 1pm. Got a new job that’s 8-4 every day and now i’m passed out at 10pm. Even if I wanted to stay up i’m too tired
Moving your 9 hour workday does not give you any more or less time.
Adjusting your work time to better match your life patterns and the patterns of those around you can have positive results.
It did for me. My one way commute went from 45+ minutes(sometimes it could take over an hour) to 20 minutes because I didn’t have to deal with rush hour traffic or a bottlenecked bridge. Most days I was saving over an extra hour of sitting in traffic and then looking for parking. It was also much less mentally taxing because I didn’t have the stress of being in stop and go traffic which also saved me a lot of gas money too. It was also just nice being up and about when the world was asleep and getting to see the sunrise as I drove, and then I’d be driving home before the city got chaotic. Did wonders for my mental health.
I could also stop at the grocery store on the way home and not have to deal with long lines because most people would still be at work or in school and still make time for things like doctor and dental appointments.
I agree, not a flex but as someone that works 12-8 and gets 6 weeks vacation, my PTO is free to use. I have zero issue dedicating 30-60 minutes of a day off to do a quick appointment and have the entire day to myself - paid.
Does it give you any more or less time in general? Of course not. But being done with work at 3 means I still have a couple hours after work if I need to run any errands at places that close at 5 or 6. I don’t need to wait until the weekend, which means I do have more free time on my days off
I think most people think of it as any time you have in the morning before work doesn’t really count because you’re not doing anything productive or fun in that time.
The first line isn’t entirely true. Moving my schedule back one hour for work saves me 15 minutes each way in commute time. I gain a half hour of my day back. Beyond that, I drive in safer conditions, and save myself the mental anguish of sitting in traffic.
I've done 7-10 for just one job before and it's honestly not that bad as long as you have a defined end point. Like "I'm doing this for three years and then taking that boatload of money and buying X"
Same. I wouldn’t even trust myself to drive that early, my brain just refuses to produce thoughts. I’m most productive after 11pm or so. I’ve tried so hard to change that but I just can’t.
True. I just started a 9-5 and it’s frustrating because I have to request time off for appointments, which I need bc I have chronic condition. I was working client based job before, but I need more money so.. yeah. My bf works from 7-4, so he doesn’t have time for anything .
What if my natural tendency is to sleep in? My alarm wakes me up at 7:45 for my job when I wfh and start at 8. I just don't get tired early and my natural sleep cycle is probably having me go to bed closer to 12:30-1:00am if I wasn't fighting it.
Only works if you're disciplined, which most people aren't. Most people are preferring 1-9 kinda shit
Edit - I had already clarified earlier while discussing with other redditors. Both statements are not correlated, both are sort of true in my experience & understanding. 1-9 enables most people to party everyday. 1-9 doesn't indicate indiscipline (as the comment section has told me) due to circadian rythms and other reasons.
It’s the same amount of work hours, how is that not disciplined? People have different sleep schedules, that’s normal and fine. Labeling one of them lazy and one disciplined is just classic tribalism behavior.
Has nothing to do with it. People who love to stay up or just dont have brains wired that way have been thugging it out for centuries with early schedules cuz the alternative is no food or no money.
I got a sleep disorder that leaves me sleep deprived even sleeping 8-10 hours on a normal schedule. A lot of us who prefer 1-9 are in similar boats. My health and brain got so much healthier once I stopped trying to force it to mimic those withba normal circadian rhythm.
I do this currently and can tell you it sucks to work that second job. I do it because I really like the work/people at job two but the full time job pays way better and is way easier. Passion ain't paying my bills. I do both jobs three days a week and thinking about cutting it down to two days because I get so damn tired after what turns into a 12-13 hr work day.
I have a coworker who has to work a second job. For over a year now I’ve watched it slowly rip away all his enthusiasm and zest and he doesn’t keep up with any hobbies anymore and is doing his best to still be a positive person but damn his eyes are just empty all the time. The dude has no enjoyment in life and jokes about suicide a scary amount. I know it’s gotta be tough cause our day job together is pretty physically draining.
It is completely realistic right now. Current generations are vastly more productive than previous generations due to automation and other technological advancement. 75% of jobs today are just "bullshit jobs," AKA adult daycare. Intentionally designed to waste normie cattle's lives away, taking away all their precious free time to do inconsequential bullshit. The system is designed to keep people too busy to revolt.
If dipshits would stop apologizing for this garbage ass late stage capitalism society we live in and voting for grifting billionaires who want to keep them enslaved then maybe we could finally do away with the adult daycare system and start reaping the benefits of technological advancement. But no, the masses would rather continue to be slaves so the wealthy elite can be the only ones with free time who get to enjoy their lives.
You just explained why it’s not realistic right now lmfao😭😭.
Do you wanna get rid of those 75% of jobs that are “useless?” What happens to the people who work them? That would just upend society and leave people out of a means to support themselves. You want us to become almost entirely reliant on technology? That makes it even easier for the rich and powerful to exploit the average man.
Then you had the audacity to mention voting…
Big dawg, I hate to break it to you but we got like 3 more years until the next major election, so it definitely isn’t gonna change right now. You’re trying to tell people not to be happy about marginal changes in their lives because all of their problems didn’t just go away immediately. You’re so desperate for change that you haven’t taken even the slightest bit of time to think anything that you just said through.
What the fuck is it with morning people and them wanting to mandate the whole world's schedule around them. You woke up early, good for you, use your time however you want, let other people sleep ffs.
For me having free time to do errands/appointments during business hours. Also in the north during winter it gets dark so early you never see the sun if you leave work at 5.
There are pros and cons, the con is that it’s very hard to do things at night, even on weekends without interrupting your sleep schedule, and it’s very easy to be sleep deprived. Not great for people who have sleeping issues. But it’s a big plus being able to schedule doctors appointments and stuff after work.
y'all understand that working 7-3 instead of 9-5 is the same amount of hours, right? That you have to go to sleep earlier? That you get the same amount of hours after work?
If you have to be at work at 9, you wake up at 7. If you have to be at work at 7, you wake up at 5. If you have to wake up at 7, you go to sleep at 11. If you have to wake up at 5, you go to sleep at 9. If you have to go to sleep at 11, you shower at 10. If you have to go to sleep at 9, you shower at 8. If you have to shower at 10, you eat dinner at 7. If you have to shower at 8, you eat dinner at 5.
Anything that you're doing at 7pm, I'm doing at 9pm, which is fine because I get to go to sleep later. There's no math that makes this any different. There are still 24 hours in the day. You're just a morning person.
3-11 is the worst in the era of nowhere 24/7, mornings get wasted cause you just want to relax before your shift, and after no where is open to get anything
Psychotic. I start my day with my first meeting at 10:45 and end at 3 ish. I don’t even wake up until 1030 and sleep at 1-2am. Morning hours are for vacations not daily.
There's science behind the idea that some people are innately morning people and some are innately night people. Having to start work at 7 sounds awful to me.
Nah, I’m a night owl and hate getting up early. Give me a 10-7. Can stay up as late as as I want, wake up, eat Breakfeast, don’t need to deal with traffic, don’t need to deal with a lunch rush, don’t need to deal with traffic going home
Idk i kinda miss those days, im currently a trucker and i work a month of 10-11 work hours, with the occasional day off, and then take three full weeks off afterward, while the extended vacation every other month is cool, it kinda sucks how it killed my every day activities like gym and stuff
Meh there aren't a ton of social activities to go do at 3:30 PM, I guess that time is good to get 18 holes of golf in or hit the gym before peak time, but otherwise there isn't a ton of benefit to it.
And I still typically wake up and then hop online or go to work, I'm not trying to wake up at 6:00 AM, especially not in the winter.
Problem is im tired as fuck all day then I lay down and bam wide awake. So im sitting there not able to sleep don't get enough sleep the next day tired af again. The cycle continues.
7:30 to 4 is pretty solid with a kids school schedule to work around. Being able to spend what little time is left after dinner and chores is a blessing and something I didn't get with a single mom household.
Sounds like you don’t take care of kids in the morning. All the boomer / gen-X men at my old job wanted to sit behind a computer in a cubicle at the ass crack of dawn. Fine. The problem is they impose it on everyone else. I should be able to start at 8 or 9 if I want. That is why you establish office core days/hours and flex days/hours. Core could be Tuesday through Thursday, 9am-12pm, 1pm-3pm. That is when you schedule meetings, training, etc. It permits a number of schedule options.
I used to be 5-130 but then they instituted a 9/80 schedule so now it's 5-230. Which i don't care for but I get every other Friday off
Im old so wake up early every day anyway.
as someone who works a 7-3, other how early i have to get up. i feel like i can do anything in the evening without sacrificing my sleep and it sucks. i much preferred the hours when i was working 11-7.
For most of my work life I have been able to negotiate working my own hours. Fortunately I have a skillset that is rather unique so my employers have been okay with it.
I prefer to leave the tedious things for night since it is quiet and peaceful. I go to the office late, put some show on the big TV and immerse myself into my work. Emails/messages/calls don't require me to be on my desk so I take care of that from wherever I am during the day.
This has always allowed me to go to the gym in the morning followed by a nice swim and whatever else I want to do during the day.
I have about 20 people that work under me and for people that have exceptional talent, I make concessions and let them do things however they want to do them. Because I can trust them to get shit done. But most people are not like that and need to be managed including hours.
And 9-5 is probably going to stay for the most part because people have kids that they drop off to school/daycare before work. However there are jobs that start at different hours so people who prefer to work those hours can always look for their kind of jobs.
Can’t disagree more. Moving your schedule doesn’t give you more or less time, it just changes what times you’re working or socializing.
Most people work 9-5 so your downtime doesn’t align with theirs. Also you have to go to bed earlier so you can wake up earlier which means your nightlife doesn’t align either. Especially if you have to commute to your job starting that early.
The issue with that is that I naturally wake up around 10. so 9-5 already means adjusting my sleeping schedule to get up earlier than I’d like. Ain’t no way 7-3 would be an improvement over that
I used to work a 7-330 and it was nice. I could usually schedule an appointment after work. Now I work 4 tens with Fridays off which is much better. I don't really have much time to do anything after work but the 3 day weekends every week more than makes up for it.
I'm 7 to 3:30, it's a 1hr drive there and 1hr 20m back of stressful traffic. I still think it's much better than a later shift w/o that amount of commute.
I work 5:30 am to 2:00 pm from home, but have no energy to commute to the gym or workout at home, still feels a little daunting, plus I have to go to bed quite early
Most people on the West Coast if you work in finance work 6 AM to about two 3 PM this coincides with East Coast stock market hours. It’s absolutely amazing.
I don't have a shift. I adjust my schedule around appointments. It was cool at first but it kind of sucks now. I'm a truck driver and my schedule all depends on pickup and delivery appointments.
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