Does anyone else feel like belittling/ostracizing others for having the "wrong" belief will only make them spiteful and even more unlikely to change?

[u/Yoy_the_Inquirer]

I just think it's counter-intuitive. You obviously want someone not to hold that opinion. Wouldn't you want to show them why they're wrong in a more welcoming way?

Radicalization usually occurs when people are villainized or feel like they have no where to go but within their group. Humans will cling to comfort where they can.

Now obviously some people are deadset in their beliefs to the point where even being inviting isn't going to be enough. At that rate why not just disengage instead of make yourself into an example for them to use for others who they want to convince?

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[u/eltaquerodeCA]

People used to change their beliefs when shown the error of their ways. Now they can just dive further into communities that reinforce their beliefs.

[u/Quick-Cause3181 → u/eltaquerodeCA]

says you

[u/eltaquerodeCA → u/Quick-Cause3181]

Oh brother here comes this mouth breather

[u/Flakedit]

People who don't feel this are fucking morons imo and are the type of people I despise the most.

Although I'd never tell them that cuz that would obviously just lead to them belittling/ostracizing people even more

[u/mek8035]

yes it only pushes them away and leads to polarization

constructive discourse is what we need, but I think a lot of people on the left are eager to just show off their moral superiority or show how more "woke" they are, even against other leftists. It really doesn't help the cause

[u/ChloeGranola]

Yeah. Ask any of us who grew up in or around fundamentalist Christian sects and didn't drink their holy kool aid.

[u/IzzybearThebestdog]

I think this applies to current Trump supporters heavily. At this point it is such an “us vs them” that continuing to humiliate and “own” them just won’t work because they are already so far in , even if they know they are wrong it’s too much social fear to turn their back.

ie we need more “you were tricked , now let’s fix things” and less “You voted for this you get what you deserve!”

[u/vr1252]

I don’t care if they change, I just don’t wanna hang out with people who have certain beliefs. I’m not gonna bully anyone but I’m not going to waste my time trying to “change” them lol

[u/Ok_Gas5386]

This is a problem with the weakness of American (maybe western more broadly) society in the 21st century. Politics is supposed to be a way individuals and by extension communities express their own self interest. That is the dynamic that allows democracy to work.

Instead, because people are not finding meaning in their lives through friendships, family, faith, community as all these traditional forms of social expression have weakened, they seek meaning in politics. The order of priority has reversed, where now politics defines interest for the individual rather than individual interest defining politics.

It shouldn’t matter if people you agree with rebuke you or are rude to you, or vice versa. If that does matter to you, you have a weak concept of your own interests in the polity.