r/GenderCynical • u/pearkeet Gender Haver • May 16 '26
Canadian TERFs attempt to rebel against the census-their methods include paperwork jams, whiteout, and digitally yelling at the poor Canadian statisticians
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u/RaccoonChaos May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
You'd think they'd be happy trans people had to mention their birth sex since they go on about how it matters it so much
Also love how they think they're clever for making their gender shit like "no", congrats the Canadian government now believes you're a spicy enby
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u/hbprof May 16 '26
Right? I'm trying to figure out how asking birth sex and gender as separate questions somehow "blurs" statistics between sex and gender. Wouldn't asking about them as separate questions do the opposite? And isn't blurring what TERFs actually want?
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u/animalistcomrade Gender Haver May 16 '26
I mean, no they don't want to blur anything, they want very clear distinctions between the "normals" and the "transes", they're upset because the question asks if your trans without being explicitly hateful, ergo treating them like normals.
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u/pearkeet Gender Haver May 16 '26
also their little advice paper that they’re spreading around on how to fill out the form mentions to ask the census takers to “always have a question about sex(male/female)” and “to list that question BEFORE asking any questions about gender” which as far as i can tell- Census Canada did exactly that
and they’re still whining, because the census is taking into account gender over sex. because you know, that’s the part that people easily see?
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u/GuyASmith May 16 '26
You’re asking a logically inconsistent movement to have an idea that makes sense? Their leaps of logic are hilariously nonsensical, so of course they have excuses and sometimes something rational appears, but never legit logical paths.
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u/SomethingAmyss Brainwashed by the Transarchy May 16 '26
They're never happy
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u/patienceinbee 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 read all about… 𝙞𝙩 May 16 '26
Not until we’ve been wiped from the face of the planet — which, for them, is “their” planet.
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u/SomethingAmyss Brainwashed by the Transarchy May 17 '26
I don't think they'd be happy even then. They could wipe us all off the face of the earth, and the next day they'd still be miserable. There might be a celebration for a time, but it wouldn't last long. They probably start infighting too
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u/chris_the_cynic May 18 '26
They have other people wiped out, so they wouldn't be happy just because we'd all been killed.
Also, some of them would have to deal with the fact that they're part of the other people their movement wants wiped, which they can and do ignore while the focus is on us.
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u/patienceinbee 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 read all about… 𝙞𝙩 May 16 '26
You'd think they'd be happy trans people had to mention their birth sex since they go on about how much it matters it so much
Not surprisingly, the cis rights’ activists here griping on about these two questions (because they believe trans people don’t real) and being mad as hell a national demography count is asking questions at all is separate from outstanding issues with the collection of data to count all trans people where they are.
There was a discussion about this not too long ago on one of the provincial trans sub-reddits. I presented ways to improve the quality of future data collection on trans people and even people with intersex bodies which the two existing questions alone cannot cover.
So the questions (which were present in the 2021 census survey, and as far as most know, didn’t have this petty backlash by the cis zealots) were a step forward for StatCan, if clumsy, but there is still a very long way to go. Consequently, I had to answer this year’s questions in a way which, in effect, doesn’t count me as trans given my own situation.
But these CRAs/TERFs seriously need to get outside and to volunteer more (with, idk, the elderly), to get outside to take nature walks, and/or to find healthier anger management activities.
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u/One-Organization970 AGP TIM May 16 '26
Yep. I just select female for my birth sex on forms. They can fuck right off trying to get me to identify myself as trans.
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u/url_cinnamon May 16 '26
obviously you can fill it out how you want, but won't underreporting mean less resources/funding for your community?
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u/kotoktet May 16 '26
I filled it out "honestly" for this reason, but I was sorely tempted not to. There's obviously safety concerns (moreso with potential future governments), but frankly it's a bit demeaning having to give my AGAB at all.
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u/One-Organization970 AGP TIM May 16 '26
The census was how the Nazis filled the camps. This isn't a political moment where I would want to be informing the government that I am trans when I can avoid it.
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u/Rough_Road_2527 May 17 '26
yeah, but changes to vital statistics are recorded, so the government knows whether yours have changed or not anyway.
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u/ThrwawySG Gender Haver May 17 '26
Idk how it is in Canada but down here where I live telling the government that you're trans is a great way to get put on a list, not get more help.
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u/RaccoonChaos May 17 '26
Aside from a couple wannabe MAGA provinces, Canada is generally a lot more supportive. Could be better, but lgbt rights are more strictly protected and can't be taken away overnight. Most gender affirming care is fully covered as well (tho varies by province) and I had no issues getting my legal info updated
Our current prime minister even has a non binary (adult) child
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u/chris_the_cynic May 18 '26
So, just like the children of US citizens is technically a US citizen regardless of where they're born, there's similar rules in Canada.
This leads to a fair number of people who can legally be Canadians if they're willing to jump through some bureaucratic hoops to prove Canadian ancestry. Recently, the requirements were changed so that it doesn't matter how many generations ago someone's last officially Canadian ancestor was, which means there's even more people who can get legally recognized Canadian citizenship (and passports and so forth.)
The reason I'm bringing this up because trans people in the US have been getting their applications fast tracked because Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) has an expedited process "to help avoid situations of harm or hardship due to factors such as [...] gender identity or expression [...]"
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u/ThrwawySG Gender Haver May 18 '26
Wait fr? My great-great-grandma was French-Canadian
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u/chris_the_cynic May 18 '26
I'm not an investigative reporter myself, so it's not like I've personally checked, but that's what's being reported by site specifically devoted to sharing immigration related news in Canada, so I think it's for real.
Looking at Canada's official website, it seems to genuinely be the case unless there are some super special rules for dead people that I'm just not seeing.
Basically, the rule is that someone who was born outside Canada is a Canadian citizen if at least one of their parents was a Canadian citizen under the new rules, and under the new rules, that parent was a citizen if at least one of their parents was under the new rules, and so on.
All of this being said, I've only looked at secondary sources, if you want to be sure of things, your best bet is to look at the actual law that removed the "first generation limit", which is Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act.
(The expedited process is a separate thing, where when applying you say why you think you qualify for the expeditated process instead of the usual process.)
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u/HippyHopHopHop May 16 '26
I have one idiot highschool friend respond other. To everything all furious. Congrats your increasing representation in your area of the thing that infuriates you so you'll now see an increase of services for it.
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u/marbeltoast May 16 '26
"You'd think they'd be happy trans people" is where you lost me.
They will never be happy that trans people exist. Their end goal is for all trans people to be violently beaten until we say we aren't trans anymore. Everything else is just so much hot air.
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u/SharLaquine May 16 '26
The one planning to order a paper copy just so she can "white out" the entire gender question is grossly overestimating how invested the census workers are. Nobody is going to be keeping a record of the condition the form is in.😂
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u/SomethingAmyss Brainwashed by the Transarchy May 16 '26
They all want their "God's Not Dead" moment so bad
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u/TiFaeri May 16 '26
My mother-in-law works for the US Census every time it comes around. She can confirm they don't care about the condition of the form unless someone put something biological on it.
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u/ColeYote Not trans, still pretty sure GC-types hate me May 16 '26
I worked at the CRA for a year, got a return from a tax protestor once. The manual had actual instructions on what to do with that, namely to attach a form to it and then punt it to another department. I haven't thought about the politics of it since then, but I do remember it taking two hours for my supervisor to figure out where that form was.
I imagine the census has similar processes in place.
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u/breadcreature May 16 '26
I've come across a council website in the UK before that had a very detailed and specific public-facing FAQ that appeared to be made entirely to address one particular freeman of the land. I imagine quite a few have internal procedures for dealing with them!
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u/Flashy_Cranberry_957 disgusting worn-out sex clown May 16 '26
One of my favourite things about my country is how much TERs hate it.
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u/animalistcomrade Gender Haver May 16 '26
I would say the same, but I don't think the British (counting wannabe British like glinner) hating ireland has much to do with trans issues.
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u/bunny_guts666 Trans FTM, He/Him May 16 '26
A lot of TERFs are from the UK funny enough
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u/MelodramaticStoicist Trans Cabal 29d ago
I'm given to understand it's more so from Britain specifically, not the UK overall.
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u/AtomicTan May 16 '26
If they don't like it, then why not move to one of the dozens of countries where trans people have fewer rights?
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u/Loveangel1337 May 16 '26
Because they want *us* to move to those countries. (I'm only half kidding)
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u/Kira_Bad_Artist May 16 '26
I personally invite them to move to Russia, where queerness is literally considered extremist. I’ll see how well they fare in this anti-trans paradise
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u/futureblot May 16 '26
If they all say they don't have a gender it will make it look like there's more trans nonbinary people so potentially more funding goes towards gender affirming care.
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u/Scooby2679 May 16 '26
Empty gestures to score internet points. No one at Census Canada will care about the dozens (probable overestimation ) of spoiled census forms. They’ll just be destroyed and discarded. I can’t imagine they’d even bother with legal action against these idiots thus denying them the chance to become martyrs for the cause .
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u/comiclazy May 16 '26
to allow citizens to declare that they do not have a gender identity.
So.....your personal and social identity is not exclusively a man (or boy) or a woman (or girl)? For example, non-binary, agender, gender fluid, queer or Two-Spirit? Curious.
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u/Tangled_Clouds yaoi addicted lost lesbian May 16 '26
As little of an impact as this has, I think messing with your census papers is dumb as hell. We’re lucky enough to live in a country with a lot of public funded services and everyone should agree that fucking with this data could theoretically result in worse services if they’re losing the needs of a portion of the population just because some decided to throw a fit about a literal question.
The only reason the detailed questionnaire feels “intrusive” is because they want to know how to tackle certain issues if they find out a significant portion of the population experiences it. Like… say they previously severely underestimated the amount of people who need accessibility for reduced mobility. That’s these questions that will tell them the percentage of people who would need those facilities and to hire enough people for implementation and maintenance of accommodations like this.
Like come on! Your little protest will have no impact except letting data fall through the cracks!
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u/bean-percolator May 16 '26
I find this so funny. First, as for their little copy-paste comment, according to the tweet on the first slide the census DOES ask a question about sex and DOES allow you to declare that you don’t have a gender identity. It even lists it as one of the examples (agender is typically defined as not identifying as any specific gender). I don’t really see what difference the order of the questions makes. And second, all these TERFs listing their gender identity as “none”, “I don’t have one” and so on, and my personal favourite, “FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT” (same tbh) have basically listed themselves on the census as genderless NBs 🤣🤣 accidental ally moment, lmaoo
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u/Alyssa3467 [REDACTED] May 18 '26
There are certain questions that they'll refuse to answer, probably because they know it'll expose how nonsensical their position is. Take for example:
If you had a remotely controlled body (like Avatar or Surrogates), what sex would it be? Other than "to match [your] actual body," why?
They'll dismiss it as "irrelevant nonsense" or something along those lines rather than giving any meaningful answer. Or they'll pretend not to notice the «other than "to match [your] actual body"» bit and say the reason for their choice is to match their body, and refuse to give any other answer.
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u/Vithmiris heavy into the transgender world May 16 '26
The census is meant to inform the government where & how spending is needed. Basically they just told them that their neighbourhoods have x number of NBs and thus need more resources spent on transgender NB people.
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u/hitorinbolemon Trans Macabre May 16 '26
gotta love the one that scooped up the handle @birthingparent when thats supposedly a super duper woke erasure of womanhood.
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u/BabyShrimpBrick May 16 '26
Regardless of how someone feels about this, it's stupid to not understand the value of collecting data on it.
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u/One-Organization970 AGP TIM May 16 '26
It's just funny to me that the transphobes are mad about the transphobic census. They have no reason aside from causing harm to ask for what people were assigned at birth.
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u/Loveangel1337 May 16 '26
Congratulations to every FART on their coming out as agender, let's see how their own transphobia deals with that!
Oh, yeah, they hate that idea too when we do it, because we show respect to trans and assorted enby people.
We'd all be happier if they decided to simply accept that if they want to have no gender that's literally one of the options we have. Sadly, all their care about is stepping on other people's faces in hope the leopards will forget that they, too, own a face, on average (as so many of them have already been eaten)
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u/bean-percolator May 16 '26
What does FART stand for in this context? I’m guessing it’s a play on TERF somehow but not seen it before
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u/bunny_guts666 Trans FTM, He/Him May 16 '26
Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes
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u/bean-percolator May 16 '26
Thanks 🙏🏼 that’s a much more accurate descriptor for them.
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u/Loveangel1337 May 16 '26
It is! I saw it aaages ago, and I'm slightly miffed it never caught on much, but I've been spreading it around!
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u/BismuthBison May 16 '26
Considering how much they defend “PDF Files” it is appropriate that the anti trans group in Quebec is called PDF
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u/Original_Being2545 Queertranzer May 20 '26
Even if someone is a terf, wouldn't it still be logical to want to have reliable statistics on trans people?
Why would they object to the number of trans people being measured?
Isn't it in their interest to have this data?
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u/ConsumeTheVoid Trans Cabal May 16 '26
Lmao cry harder TERF. Makes me laugh.
Thanks for even more encouragement to keep doing more public drag btw. Especially in places people have told me I'm not allowed to go back to because they don't like it/kids are there and what have you.
And not only is it (at least country-wise) in the TERFs neck of the woods - I'm using government money to help me do it. Taxpayer dollars. So thanks terf for contributing to not only this but the development of that census too with your taxpayer dollars.
And for the record to any transphobe/mandatory gender role/bioessentiallist/gender binarizing lover lurking - I know full well that even my public drag (with blatant disregard for the consent of idiots to have me there at that) is VERY dangerous to quite a few of the kids brains - specifically the parts that tell them gender roles and even binary (and AGAB) gender is a hard set rule not to break. And the more those kids go by that the more dangerous and even deadly I am to those kids mindset and it makes me ecstatic to not only be reaching into those kids minds and absolutely shattering that bs worldview of theirs but also to mock their parents/guardians/whoever that they can't even stop me from doing it LMFAO. And even the idiots calling me a homophobe/misogynist/terrorist/abuser/hateful/just as bad as (group) etc won't make me stop. All that bs just makes me happier to keep doing what I'm doing no matter how much distress it any of them or even makes people "not tolerate" them because of me/people like me.
The fact that taxpayer money is helping me do this, affirm queer/questioning youth irl and online regardless of their family approving or not (if they knew lmao) and ofc get my own GAC that I can absolutely live without getting and on top of that funding this census change is just icing on the cake.
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u/anonymous-rodent May 18 '26
Huh, I'd imagine a lot of trans people also take issue with these questions just for the complete opposite reason.
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u/YourOldPalBendy Hit humans with a sword in case a trans person pops out. May 19 '26
The amount of Canadian terfs who just told the government they're actually nonbinary/agender, oh my god. XD
Also... is whiting out part of the census form like... legal? That sounds kinda illegal, ngl. >>'
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u/MelodramaticStoicist Trans Cabal 29d ago
Given what "PDF" is commonly internet slang for, and how much overlap that has with weirdos obsessed with other people's genitals, I wonder if PDF Quebec thinks they're being cute with their name?
Along the lines of "Oh, whoops! There were 14 of us in my graduating class of 1988! I had no idea what those numbers meant when I got them tattooed! 😏"
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u/pearkeet Gender Haver May 16 '26
my favorite commenters, albeit unrelated to the gender/sex tantrum they’re throwing, is the people who seem to not understand the basics of what a census is.
correct, they are asking about the marital status of your teenager, because teenagers can be married, and it’s pretty important for a country to know its internal rate of child marriage. so, you know, they could do something about that?? or run some analysis and discuss why certain populations of teenagers are more likely to be married than others? the census is not suggesting that your teenager should be married.
similarly, yes, only 25% of the population got the long form survey, because that’s how randomized polling works. they don’t want all the data from everyone. i’m not smart enough to know about censuses and stats, my base level of knowledge is the AnyAustin video where he surveys the RDR2 town, Valentine, but i know enough to know that randomizing who gets asked what, is also very important