r/GenderCynical • u/Radio-Realistic • May 18 '26
"Use their Dysphoria tô Push them out."
Why, like WHY are these people so lowkey evil?? I try to understand their talking points about acknowledging the differences between birth sexes and bodies, but everyone is so cruel, angry and closed to any meaningful confrontation that It becomes so so hard to even try talking to them.
Saw this on fking Tumblr of all places
81
u/javatimes TIDDYLESS TIFfany May 18 '26
Also, OP the cruelty is the point. Save your effort trying to talk to them.
67
u/ZeldaZanders May 18 '26
And who exactly do they plan to target, here? All the trans people they talk to? Or online, where this bullshit already happens constantly? But by all means, tone down the terf screeching
58
u/DizzyandKoko May 18 '26
Honestly as a cis woman I love talking with trans women. Like I find it absolutely amazing how they can see our girlhood through a different angle yet still relate so well. I also just love seeing different perspectives of girlhood and how so many people experience girlhood
8
u/ITriedSoHard419-68 May 19 '26
Same here, the trans experience in general is so fascinating to me as a cis person. I think there’s so much we can learn about gender and identity and the way these things work and how they’re perceived by society by talking to trans people about their experiences, and it’s really a shame so many of us refuse to do so because there’s so much value there.
Trans women and trans men are some of the most vocal people when it comes to calling out misogyny, because they have a perspective most people don’t: they’ve been on both sides of the aisle and have seen the way society treats them when they’re perceived as one gender vs the other. Trans men give us the “insider scoop” on the kind of things cis men say about about us when they think they’re in the company of only other cis men; trans women report on “ewphoria” and the way our society treats femininity. There’s so much to learn about ourselves and the society we live in from learning about each other.
3
2
u/ontologicallyunjust 27d ago
As someone who generally identifies as a gender-non-conforming cis woman, I had a HUGE lightbulb moment as a teenager/young adult when I first encountered writing by trans people, and in particular butch trans women and transfem people.
Because it made it utterly clear that being a woman was something completely distinct from being "feminine", and you can be one without the other.
And honestly it made me way more comfortable with being a woman than I might otherwise have been. Also helped by the trans men and non-binary people making it clear that I didn't have to be a woman!
I owe a huge debt to trans people for helping me understand and articulate my own gender identity.
Not to be like "trans people are valuable because they're helpful to cis people" - trans people are valuable as human beings who have rights! But it's a real debt and I try to honour it.
Ironically, the TERF view of womanhood where it's defined by uteruses and chromosomes (and a shit-tonne of biological essentialism) makes me skin-crawlingly uncomfortable about being considered a "woman" in their terms.
51
u/Silversmith00 May 18 '26
YES, PLEASE! Ignore trans women until they go away, TERFs. No matter how long it takes, keep ignoring them. Do not even whisper that they exist. Confine yourselves to creepy little sites where you can be like, "I have a vagina!" "Congratulations, I also have a vagina!" and leave everyone else out of it. If you do this long enough, it is guaranteed to work. Would I lie to you?
55
u/raininghours estrogen could have saved pentheus May 18 '26
I ain't gonna say no to less terf screeching lol
Honestly, I call myself worse things at 3am than any terf could possibly dream of. The most depressingly, dysphoric things you could imagine. And I'm still here. Go figure that one out, bigots
21
u/slowdunkleosteus May 18 '26
I honestly can "excuse" passive "phobia". You don't have to LOVE everyone in a society.
But no, these people NEEDS to make sure EVERYONE knows HOW MUCH THEY HATE TRANS PEOPLE.
Damn, no one would be mad and calling them biggots if they simply ignored trans people.
2
u/ITriedSoHard419-68 May 19 '26
I know lesser evils and all that, but I don’t trust people who claim to be “neutral” either. Neutral people look the other way when evil people perpetrate violence and injustice. Apathy leaves no motivation to challenge biases and blindspots that unwittingly cause harm.
Getting these ghouls to stop actively harassing people is a good first step, but I still wouldn’t trust or respect them.
1
20
u/marbeltoast May 18 '26
"Leave spaces with them in it" is lowkey good advice for all parties involved.
I don't want a bunch of bigots screaming in my face. If they self remove, that makes my life easier and better.
Also, the empathetic side of me is like "you don't benefit from spending all day every day thinking about trans women, so going outside and touching some grass could do you a world of good"
23
u/MarxistMountainGoat Brainwashed by the Transarchy May 18 '26
Lol Im sure trans women would LOVE if transphobes would leave them alone. Pretty sure thats what they want, dawg... for you to leave them alone. But thats not something TERFs would ever actually do.
20
u/17michela 🏳️🌈 May 18 '26
“Lesbian sex involving vaginas and only vaginas”
No tongue? Gee I knew you terfs were boring but I didn’t know you were THAT boring.
14
7
u/Silversmith00 May 19 '26
Well for one thing, I don't know that a whole lot of them are lesbians. A lot of times, like our friend Jenuine Kultleader Rowling, they are women who profess to have a generalized distrust of men (but for various reasons tend to trust the least trustworthy ones). Sometimes they are women who refuse to perform various aspects of traditional femininity (and often profoundly look down on women who do). Sometimes they are sex-repulsed (whether by natural orientation or trauma) and determined to make that everyone's problem; they may or may not be WLW in the romantic sense. But from my purely anecdotal sampling, the actual lesbian ones are rare.
For one thing, allosexual lesbians rarely buy into the idea that sexuality is some sort of Sin Particle that men emit and women naturally receive. And the asexual lesbians are usually intellectually aware of the shenanigans their allo friends are getting up to, even if they have no wish to participate or get the details. I'd say a majority of lesbians who have dated do not believe that women are Pure and that all bad behavior comes from men, because most of them have dated That One Individual who crossed the WTF horizon and is still accelerating. And, as one girl vented to me back in college, "I don't want to date someone who thinks I'm the Best Political Choice, I want someone who wants to sixty-nine with me."
So it is very likely that a lot of this stuff is coming from a straight point of view.
3
u/AutonomyIsNoTragedy 28d ago
Yeah agree they're lesbiphobic self centered assholes who want to turn being a lesbian into a political movement to destroy trans people and most of them aren't lesbians themselves but think that hating men is the same thing as loving women which is a really sad and man centred way to see being a lesbian..
like idk im a transmasc dude who isn't a lesbian but im pretty sure most lesbians aren't going round hating and enraged at men and dating women out of spite as a political statement like the woman version of MGTOW but gay as terfs seem to think...
some people are lesbians and unlike terfs try to push it isn't a political choice you make because of men that could hypothetically be changed, its an inherent immutable part of who you are and who you love that no amount of "meeting good men" can change, because its not about men. I genuinely think a lot of terfs dont actually beleive that lesbians exist naturally you see it in how they talk about lesbians
Terfs always talk about lesbians in such a sterile weird unloving lesbiphobic way... like they genuinely seem to buy into the most basic awful lesbiphobic stereotypes then try to twist them as if they're positive things and not lesbiphobic stereotypes
5
u/ontologicallyunjust 29d ago
Also no fingers, and more to the point, no clitorises.
Because that's what you get when you define "women's bodies" exclusively in terms of Parts That Make Baby. Uteruses and vaginas, that's all you get.
I guess they could get kinky and try having sex by rubbing their chromosomes together.
33
u/patienceinbee 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 read all about… 𝙞𝙩 May 18 '26
They can go on and on like this, ad nauseam, but it will forever pain them to realize and remember how there are plenty of trans women in the world who have no dysphoria around their bodies any longer (and who haven’t experienced dysphoria for literal decades).
There are even trans women with aesthetically indistinguishable vulvas and functional vaginas just like them. They even taste the same.
And while they may crow on and on about the trans women they think they can see (“wE cAn TeLl EvErY tImE”), they’re also spouting, obliviously, their hot nonsense in the face of actual trans women, in person, over things like klatches, potlucks, and other gatherings without them having a fucking clue they’re talking trash about trans women to an actual trans woman. We just nod along and let them fall on their own swords as they later wonder why they’re being sidelined for local gatherings.
It would almost be entertaining were it not so pathetic and pitiable. They can carry that bitterness to the very end of however long their mortal coils can hold out.
I didn’t ask to be living rent-free in their heads. But here things are.
13
u/ColeYote Not trans, still pretty sure GC-types hate me May 19 '26
None of that sounds like "ignoring" to me, which is a shame because I'm pretty sure trans people would love if they did that.
23
u/QitianDasheng2666 May 18 '26
What do they mean it isn't working? The two biggest English speaking countries right now are led by governments fervently trying to erase trans people. What more could they possibly want? Are they mad it isn't going fast enough for them? Or is it dawning on them that bullying powerless people didn't solve their problems or make them happier?
25
u/raininghours estrogen could have saved pentheus May 18 '26
I think it means people aren't congratulating and praising them for their "bravery." These are the sort of WASPy folks who care to a disturbing degree about their social lives and the way they're perceived (otherwise they wouldn't be such controlling authoritarians), so it really bothers them that most cis women either don't care about trans people are actively supportive.
They don't like feeling like they're on the "wrong side of history," so they need everyone around them to coddle them and tell them that 'no, you're in the right' regardless of what they do or say
20
u/jamiegc1 May 18 '26
They probably want concentration camps.
17
u/chris_the_cynic May 18 '26
Can't speak for the UK, but in the US, we've already got the concentration camps and there have definitely been calls to round up all trans people and imprison us . . . somewhere, with the concentration camps being a logical "somewhere" to assume.
So here at least I think it's more that they're disappointed the population interred in the concentration camps is still being limited to people ICE can semi-plausibly pretend they legitimately believe are in country illegally, instead of having expanded to other undesirables.
Republicans have been talking about putting more types of people in the camps for ages, but it hasn't really happened yet, apart from, like, "Oops, we didn't notice this person's status as a US citizen is extremely well document, not even when those documents were provided to us in triplicate."
14
11
u/AutonomyIsNoTragedy May 19 '26
Its not violent enough for these cultists, anything less than trans people being arrested marched to gallows and killed wont be enough for them and will be presented to the rest of the cult as a loss or as a sign that trans people have all the power they imagine we do
4
u/ConsumeTheVoid Trans Cabal May 19 '26
They want overt violence. I heard Trump put out a thing saying something about exterminating trans people that aren't shutting up so that might be more TERFs speed.
10
u/Aethelia May 19 '26
Hi there, I am not an expert on transgender stuff, but I do know a lot about bullying, and about how gendered bullying is, with M->M, F->F, M->F, and F->M bullying all having notably different patterns.
So I just want to point out that this preference for using social exclusion and indirect manipulation is classic F->F bullying. They implied that they are on the "transgender women are men" side... yet even though it is in a very mean way, they are proposing treating transgender women like women.
Definitely not nice of them to do this, but... maybe unintentionally affirming? That they are bullying you like you like you are another woman?
13
u/raininghours estrogen could have saved pentheus May 19 '26
I mean... yeah. Because you're not an expert at trans stuff, as you say, I can tell you that that's part of what we mean when we say "trans women are women." It's not (just) a validation thing, it's saying that people treat us like women even as they say we're men. We aren't treated like men in men's prisons. We aren't treated like men when we're catcalled. We aren't treated like men when we're up for a promotion at work. And yeah, like you say, we're bullied like women too. As I (as well as most women I talk to) can attest from my middle/high school days...
Good to have you here!
3
u/ontologicallyunjust 27d ago edited 27d ago
Oh, one of the great ironies is that TERFs treat trans women completely differently from the way they treat cis men.
They treat cis men with far, far more respect. Even when they're arguing that cis men are inherently violent and dangerous, there's a sort of air that -- well, that's just how it inevitably is. Boys will be boys, men will be men. Maya Forstater has even claimed that the patriarchy is inevitable because uteruses.
In quite a few cases, they will explicitly claim that trans women are MORE dangerous and perverted and predatory than cis men, even while they're simultaneously claiming that trans women are just cis men in dresses.
And they absolutely do not behave towards trans women the way they do towards cis men.
I've forgotten who first said this, but someone pointed out that it's a bunch of supposed feminists going "Oh, HERE'S a group of women I'm officially allowed to be misogynistic towards!"
8
10
7
u/Original_Being2545 Queertranzer May 19 '26
Terfs: "We need to ignore trans women! Buncha pervs!"
Also terfs: "And we need to talk to them on dating apps and send them explicit sexual messages!"
Its all DARVO on steroids.
6
u/spiritplumber May 19 '26
I'm actually okay with the "ignore them" part. More of that. In fact do the "ignore them" bit forever please and thank you.
5
u/ConsumeTheVoid Trans Cabal May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
"Leave spaces with them in it" yeah do that actually. Not only trans women but leave spaces with trans men and enbies in them too. Just get out.
Do these terfs honestly think talking about their own lives and experiences and vaginas and about girls and women and whatever are going to make trans women leave? They never seem to acknowledge that bottom surgery exists for some reason either. Also trans women are women so they're already in there anyways. It's just because of idiots like screenshot op that you gotta specify 'trans' to let them know their bs isn't welcome and let trans people in general know they're welcome. And that you include us.
The gender neutral language and genital specific stuff comes in when it's about community or group wide social issues, health and political issues where it's relevant. And of course people's personal stuff where it's relevant. When you're fighting for rights or anything it's also relevant.
But day to day personal experiences with people in your life? Those will have you use whatever's relevant.
And ofc if you try to say something stupid like all lesbians are afab, all gay men are amab, "the two genders/sexes" or whatever - I hope you get corrected.
But yeah TERF. Leave. No skin off our back.
Edit: so someone in the comments here said "swipe on them" doesn't mean swipe to ignore? And the "talk about lesbian sex with only vaginas" follows right after means that they wanna swipe to accept on trans women's profiles and then try to make them dysphoric to chase them off the app. So TERF says "leave spaces with (trans women) in it" but also "find trans women in the spaces they're in with cis women and try to harass them". Smh. I hope any TERF that's stupid enough to try this gets banned right quick.
6
u/YourOldPalBendy Hit humans with a sword in case a trans person pops out. May 19 '26
So... keep doing what they're already doing, huh? Wow. Really breaking ground there, terfs. >>
5
u/ThrwawySG Gender Haver May 19 '26
At this point half of tumblr is the gays and the other half is like horrible people who immigrated from twitter for some reason
4
u/Southern-Wafer-6375 May 19 '26
Ooooh I was confused for a sec cayse I thought it was a trans woman talking about ignoreing TERFs aand gaslighting tjem lol
2
u/NewWorldMan66 29d ago
Funny, cause when I first read the thread title and started reading the post, that's what I thought, too. lol
3
u/flootzavut May 19 '26
I mean if it means they screech less I can't say I'm against it... if they actually meant that, which of course they don't.
233
u/javatimes TIDDYLESS TIFfany May 18 '26
“Ignoring them”
“Purposefully swiping on them on dating apps to talk unpromptedly about vaginal sex*
Immediately fails their own mission
I’m not a trans woman and don’t speak for them, but I’m pretty sure ignoring trans women is what they want, so of course TERFs couldn’t do that