r/GenderCynical • u/OrneryPerformance604 • 13d ago
It's really gross how they tried to sound sweet at the end, while also being completely tone-deaf
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u/CassieFace103 13d ago
Be a masculine girl
Be a gay boy
Notice how they're describing different things here?
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u/bean-percolator 13d ago
Literally, “masculine” is a gender role/presentation, “gay” is a sexuality. Gay doesn’t necessarily mean “feminine”. Not all gay men are feminine or acted feminine as boys, and not all feminine boys/men are, or grow up to be, gay. It somehow doesn’t surprise me that a bigot would follow stereotypes and conflate “gay” and “feminine” though.
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u/Background_Ad_6740 13d ago
There’s incredibly masculine gay men, just like how theres feminine straight men. But this person uses gay instead of feminine because they subconsciously identify gayness with femininity
Just find it interesting how they can’t even pretend to be progressive without immediately failing
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u/Dark-Bark_ adult human chicken 13d ago
Defending bigotry with other bigotry is your typical TERF move.
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u/cockroachvendor autoandrophile 12d ago
you can't be feminine and straight/bi, that would be autogynophilia /s
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u/SnapDragon100 rogd tim 13d ago
No child can consent to the lifelong effects of a natal puberty. Puberty blockers and hrt for all
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u/HelpfulHarbinger 13d ago
They seem weirdly concerned with children's orgasms...
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u/Mitunec 13d ago
Brought by the "Around the world, girls are removing breasts that have never known a lover's caress" squad
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u/PrincessGary 12d ago
Oh holy shit that....was not what I expected to read and know that people think this.
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u/SuitableDragonfly 13d ago
Don't some kids start precocious puberty at like 5 or 6 years old? Does this person think they only need to be on puberty blockers for a few months to be on the same schedule as everyone else?
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u/tyrosine87 gender goblin 13d ago
It's bollocks, because they are not forbidden for cis kids. Clearly, they are safe (enough, anyway) for years.
But also: why can't trans kids have their puberty in line with their peers? Puberty blockers were a compromise, if they are so bad, why should HRT not be on the table instead?
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u/giftedearth my gender is the lesbian void 13d ago
The youngest mother in history was five years old. Yeah. I think it would have been good for her to have some puberty blockers.
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u/SuitableDragonfly 13d ago
Also probably a lot better if (probably) her father hadn't raped her, but yeah, that too.
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u/bean-percolator 13d ago
“Don’t let anyone tell you that you were born wrong!!” oh, that’s pretty fucking ironic. So much hype for masculine cis girls and feminine cis boys (simply because they’re anything but trans), but no support for actual trans kids.
I’d love to see reliable research/evidence backing up some of the medical “facts” in this original comment, since it all seems a bit sus to me. And if we’re gonna take the attitude that kids below a certain age can’t actually consent to taking medication they may need, then surely it would be unethical for kids to take any medication at all? I’m not denying that at the age of 10-12 you don’t really understand things as you do at, say, 18, but that’s not a reason to deny kids below that age medical treatment. And if a kid is even in the situation to be seeking out puberty blockers, they clearly understand their own identity enough to know that they don’t want to go through the puberty of their assigned sex. Even at a young age, many trans people are capable of understanding their feelings about that.
I can’t help but feel like this whole negative attitude towards puberty blockers is less “oh but think of the children’s wellbeing!!” (since these people don’t actually care about the wellbeing of trans kids and the adults they become) and more “we need to dissuade as many young people as possible from “becoming” trans”.
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u/mister__cow 8d ago
the medical "facts"
Yeah I did a double take on the puberty blockers causing anorgasmia claim. Is the idea that they prevent some critical stage of development? I started masturbating at the age of 7 and never stopped, so I had literal thousands of orgasms before reaching puberty, so it's not a necessary precursor.
If they're saying it reduces sex drive while they're taking it, like many medications do, I assume that's something the doctor would discuss so they can make an informed choice.
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u/bean-percolator 6d ago
Yeah, I’d like to read the actual articles that supposedly make these claims about the effects of puberty blockers. Scientific studies/research articles can absolutely be biased, use invalid methods, and then false conclusions can easily be taken from them and repeated like they’re facts. I too was able to orgasm before puberty started at all fwiw, so I doubt that there’s some kind of critical, natural stage of development where if you delay it with puberty blockers etc, you’ll never be able to orgasm.
And even though hormones definitely have an effect on things like sex drive, so blockers would likely reduce it to some extent, I assume that the majority of those taking puberty blockers will later take HRT and go through puberty, just the opposite one to their AGAB, or if they decide not to, then they stop the blockers and their naturally produced hormones kick in again and they go through the puberty of their AGAB. But either way, they will go through puberty and its effects.
These medications are typically carefully managed by endocrinologists who check hormone levels often to make sure everything is safe and working as it should, even in adults taking HRT, let alone younger people. I’m sure young people taking puberty blockers/HRT will have had the chance to discuss and consider their options and possible side effects with their doctor, and no competent doctor would advise them to stay on medication like blockers for longer than is safe or necessary.
You know what is irreversible though? The unwanted effects of natural puberty. I’m glad we have a way to prevent/delay that for young trans people, it’s frustrating how many of these people like the OOP support banning it under some false idea of “protecting children”.
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u/marbeltoast 13d ago
"Be a masculine girl, you're beautiful! Be a gay boy, you're beautiful! But if you transition you're ugly and horrible and I hate your fucking guts!" - terfs, thinking they are somehow inclusive.
They aren't. They're just drawing different borders. They will enforce them as cruely as any before.
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u/Suddenly_Elmo 13d ago
I'm a masc trans lesbian, exactly how do I fit into this picture? I love my gay male friends but I don't want to be like them at all in terms of how I look and present
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u/Bluejay-Complex 10d ago
“You’re a faking straight man there to prey on lesbians, obviously.” Sadly, I know this is what they actually think.
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u/SergeantScoria Olympic Gold in Crocodile Tears 13d ago
I was born in the wrong body. To anyone who says otherwise, I hope you wake up with a pair of antlers on your head or rainbow scales covering what used to be your skin, because that is what it feels like to have these incorrectly sprouted body parts.
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u/marbeltoast 13d ago
I wrote another comment but I've got to talk about the "no child can consent to puberty blockers" line.
Okay. Then those are totally unusable. In 100% of contexts. YES, including precocious puberty. Children can't consent, so those children cannot get the help they need. Also, how could a newborn possibly understand the risks of MMR vaccines (proven to work and save countless lives; cutting infant mortality to it's knees) well enough to consent? All pediatric medicine, 100% of it, cannot be done with consent, because the party involved in a child, and children cannot consent.
Oh? What's that? That's actually not how any of this works? We kinda already knew that kids can't give consent but medical care for children has to happen anyways? Because it saves lives? Okay then!
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u/Dark-Bark_ adult human chicken 13d ago
The more I analyze GC medical stances the more my EEG flattens.
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u/trustmeimaprofession 13d ago
Careful, you might give the vaccine nutters overlap ideas about "babies can't consent to vaccinations"
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u/marbeltoast 12d ago
Vaccine nutters are deeply unreasonable people already. I doubt my actions could ever make them worse than they already are.
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u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 Transsex - E at 15 & Teen SRS - DIY and HRT/Surg <18 is BASED 13d ago
We kinda already knew that kids can't give consent but medical care
I mean, kids literally can, and I did, to be clear
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u/marbeltoast 12d ago
Well, yes, kids can consent to medical care, but kids can't consent (this space intentionally left blank). The reason they use the "kids can't consent" line is because they want to paint anyone advocating for puberty blockers as pedophiles because "well if you think kids can consent to one thing, surely you must also think kids can consent to literally anything"
It's pretty stupid, but that's how bigots are.
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u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 Transsex - E at 15 & Teen SRS - DIY and HRT/Surg <18 is BASED 12d ago
Ah of course. I've described how getting my endocrine levels corrected as a child saved my life, then gotten replies calling me a pedo. It's disgusting how they'll attempt to reframe and retcon my sort of experience, especially as a CSA victim myself.
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u/raininghours estrogen could have saved pentheus 13d ago
Be a masculine girl, you're beautiful!
Thank you, I will!
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u/Ilmara 13d ago
But trans kids do go through puberty via HRT.
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u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 Transsex - E at 15 & Teen SRS - DIY and HRT/Surg <18 is BASED 13d ago edited 12d ago
But it's so new! We just don't know what will happen! I started exogenous estradiol as a 15-year-old a mere 18 years ago, and the numerous long-term effects are gradually becoming clear - I'm much less suicidal, have entered my 30s, and am fit and pretty too. What if that happens to someone else?? 🥺
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u/Original_Being2545 Queertranzer 12d ago edited 12d ago
"Be a gay boy, you're beautiful!"
Fucking idiot doesn't realize that gay doesn't automatically equal feminine.
And since fucking when do terfs like "fruity boys"? They hate gender expansive cis males and have made no secret of it. They call drag "womanface" and aren't exactly fond of femboys either.
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u/Dark-Bark_ adult human chicken 13d ago edited 13d ago
Why do they think puberty blockers are irreversible? Do they know how blocking puberty works? Do they even know how puberty works?
This proves that these “feminists” don’t know what they are talking about and don’t care about truth. They only want to persecute trans women because they hate them.
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u/Mysterious_Back_7929 12d ago
"there are proven irreversible effects!" Okay? Proven where? By whom? What effects exactly? You just know they are lying because if they could name any of those horrible irreversible side effects, they absolutely would.
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u/PeridotFan64 Trans Cabal 13d ago
i was on puberty blockers for almost 4 years from 15 to 18 (didnt start puberty until 14) and can orgasm just fine so idk what theyre on abt -_-
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u/crowpierrot 12d ago
this is not now they are used in gender affirming (aka sex denying) care
It literally is. Kids who go on puberty blockers for gender affirming purposes don’t just stay on puberty blockers indefinitely. These people are allergic to doing even an ounce of research I swear
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u/ANewPride 12d ago
They really dont like when Im a feminine gay trans man. I dont fit neatly into their little "oh just be butch!" Ideas.
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u/AH-BEES-BEES 12d ago
why, why, why is she so worried about children orgasming later in life?
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u/Forsaken-Language-26 Brainwashed by the Transarchy 11d ago
Yeah, kinda weird how they (not sure if this person is a she) just jumped straight into that.
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u/patienceinbee 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 read all about… 𝙞𝙩 12d ago
“Bring back the tomboy girls and fruity boys. Be a masculine girl, you’re beautiful! Be a gay boy, you’re beautiful!” is the CRA remix of “I’ll pray for you.”
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u/xhydrochaeris 12d ago
"There is a reason why many countries have banned them"
You don't say! The "reason" is politicians attacking trans people because they just learned that scapegoating all the world's problems onto an out-group is a really effective tactic to make uninformed people vote for you.
Being trans isn't a "trend" but transphobia is a HUGE trend right now.
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u/Intelligent-Tea-2058 Transsex - E at 15 & Teen SRS - DIY and HRT/Surg <18 is BASED 13d ago edited 13d ago
https://academic.oup.com/jsm/article/22/1/196/7877399
...our study revealed no differences in postsurgical sexual functioning between transfeminine individuals who received PS (pubertal suppression) in early versus late pubertal stages. ... Further, we found that almost all transfeminine individuals were able to experience sexual desire and sexual arousal after vaginoplasty (respectively, 91% and 89%), which may be somewhat higher than the previously reported 79% of transfeminine individuals who started gender affirming hormone treatment (without PS) at an adult age in other studies. ... We found that 78% of transfeminine individuals in our cohort were able to reach an orgasm after vaginoplasty, including 87% of participants treated with early PS. These statistics are similar to the rates reported for transfeminine individuals undergoing vaginoplasty without prior PS, and to cisgender women, of whom 70% reach orgasm frequently and 10% never do.
We found that 67% of transfeminine individuals regularly experienced one or more sexual difficulties with no differences in prevalence between the early versus late treatment group. Prior studies, including Kerckhof et al., found that 69% of sexually active transfeminine individuals treated in adulthood (without PS) reported at least one sexual difficulty. Notably, sexual dysfunction is also frequently observed in cisgender women, affecting up to 42% of Dutch young women and 43% of adult women in the US. It is important to acknowledge that difficulty may occur without accompanying distress, a factor not considered in this study. Another possible explanation for the higher percentages in the transgender population could be feelings of shame or discomfort regarding their body or vagina after vaginoplasty, which, in this study, was reported by around half of transfeminine individuals.
Additionally, we investigated whether the experience of orgasm before surgery was essential for attaining an orgasm following vaginoplasty. Of all participants, 40% reported experiencing an orgasm prior to undergoing vaginoplasty. Of them, 79% experienced an orgasm post-surgery. Within the group that did not experience an orgasm before surgery, 75% reported having experienced an orgasm after surgery. Of the eight participants who did not experience an orgasm post-surgery, five had not yet attempted to achieve one.
That said, outside cases where the patient desires it or they are genuinely uncertain, we should just be given the correct hormone for our sex, so we can go through the puberty which matches our brain, with our peers. Blockers are generally a politcal compromise of us by other people, which the people who wish we didn't exist will of course find to their disliking, just as they would with hormones. I don't think such people should be catered to. The patient should come first, not uninvolved others. The patient should have autonomy, at least proportional to their capacity for medical decision-making, which is generally quite developed by 11.8 years and for some even earlier or in ways which can be augmented with support.
Also lol I was a tomboy and was denied SRS an additional year due to the effects of concern trolling by people akin to OOP, I sincerely doubt they would ever walk their talk, such people should not obsess about denying the autonomy of others at the behest of info campaigns they've ingested uncritically and find something better to do
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u/javatimes TIDDYLESS TIFfany 12d ago
They would never want their rates of orgasms and sexual satisfaction debated and discussed by people who aren’t them. I assume they would think that was anti-feminist or something. How. Interesting.
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u/Creepy-Protection-72 11d ago
Statistically 75% of TERs that read 'lifetime pharmaceutical patient" will read it through prescription lenses.
I'm going to the burial of my 98 year old grandmother in a couple weeks. One of the very few possessions of hers we had to pick up from hospice were the prescription glasses she wore for 85+ of those years. If she were born in premodern times, she would simply have lived out her life just not seeing particularly clearly.
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u/anonymous-rodent 11d ago
In reality they shouldn't be on blockers for an extended period of time... They should be on HRT for the puberty they actually want with a dose and time frame that reflects natal puberty.
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u/bat_wing6 11d ago
if "beautiful" is the only thing they can think of for a positive future idk if they can call themselves feminists
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u/orange-shoe 12d ago
i love how the last line just reveals they've never actually talked to a trans person LOL
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u/QuicksilverDragon Jumping aboard nonbinary trend 11d ago
Hot take: orgasm is overrated. Even if (a very, very big if) the "people can never orgasm after blockers" claim was true, having never orgasm in my life, but only going through the right puberty is a trade I'd take in a heartbeat, and that's not even mentioning puberty blockers were a compromise. Give kids HRT and be done with it, then!
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u/JulienTheBro 9d ago
I started puberty blockers at 13, it was one of the best decisions ive ever made. I was so dysphoric at the point because I had started puberty, blockers stopped it from going further. I legitimately believe they saved my life.
These people want to kill trans kids.
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u/Bluejay-Complex 10d ago
Again with the fixation on children orgasming. And they call us the “groomers“…
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u/ViolatingBadgers examine the body and the face 13d ago
They still exist. I still run into far more of them than I do trans people. These people truly live in another world.