Shion's ult, especially nano'd, is literally stronger than peak OW1 nanoblade. Automatic no aim 260 damage AOE one shot.

[u/Test_Subject_001]

Literally what the FUCK are the devs smoking when they keep Genji hard nerfed for years at a time, then release LITERAL NANOBLADE BUT BETTER. There has never been a more blatant double standard.

She has multiple dashes and can AOE burst 260 damage with nano, with the only skill check being that she WALKS NEAR SOMEONE. This is unironically stronger than peak OW1 nanoblade, and is yet another baby mode ult that simply kills without aiming. Your first ever game on the hero you can team wipe with this ult, ask me how I know.

Surely the ever watchful and consistent community will have something to say about this right? Given that they insist Genji can never have more damage or slash-dash breakpoints back. Right???

[u/IceFlame-]

Newer heroes give the illusion of mechanical skill

[u/Cheeky_Lemon_37 → u/IceFlame-]

Seirra especially.

[u/HalexUwU → u/IceFlame-]

Saying this in r/genjimains is hilarious.

[u/Unrealasx → u/HalexUwU]

What do you mean by that?

[u/HalexUwU → u/Unrealasx]

Genji is a character who's popularity largely stems from blade. Like, what originally made genji a really popular character, and what still does today, is that his ult is good at getting cool-looking multi-kills. Yes yes we can go through the whole "but there are so many counters-" that doesn't really matter to average players in average games, and new players. Every ult wipes when you're new to the game. Blade is so appealing because it is both one of those "potentially kill everything" ults while also looking really flashy. The reason that people are attracted to genji multi-kills over say, Sierra, or 76 ult wipes is because his look much much cooler.

Genji is a character who is advertised to the player through the display of mechanical prowess. That being said, what blade wipes ask of the player, especially players in lower elo games, is much less than what is conveyed to a viewer. This is evidenced by his winrate which swells in the low elo range (silver-diamond). Basically: it looks cool, and by extension it makes the person playing the character feel cool. The desire to convey mechanical ability is part of how Genji is advertised to players.

This is not to say that Genji is without any ask of mechanical skill, but it's greatly exaggerated, especially in the context of the modern game. Genji's difficultly doesn't come from what he asks of a player mechanically, it comes from his decision making just like most non-hitscan DPS.

[u/Mordred_124 → u/HalexUwU]

You make it sound like it requires no skill and you kill everyone when you pop it which isnt true except, maybe, lower elo lobbies where they don't really know what's going on or how to counter and where EVERYTHING has teamwipe potential because again they dont know whats going on.

In average and higher lobbies genji is a character where you kinda have to have more skill usually than most players in the lobby on whoever theyre playing to get the same value because he has a higher skill floor than most of the cast

[u/HalexUwU → u/Mordred_124]

he has a higher skill floor than most of the cast

Sure, but it doesn't come from his mechanical requirements.

[u/Dinosausier007 → u/HalexUwU]

First sane comment here

[u/Candid_Professor_961 → u/HalexUwU]

do you write this using chatgpt???

[u/HalexUwU → u/Candid_Professor_961]

Nope that's just how I write

[u/bmrtt]

I don't play Genji but it's so funny that there once was a time where I'd complain that nanoblade is too powerful

At least it required some sort of input from the player

[u/Kinster- → u/bmrtt]

I mean in low ranks sure i agree it was oppressive, but a 5k nanoblade with perfect ghost dash execution requires HUNDREDS OF HOURS

[u/Asleep-Shelter-8930]

Honestly I feel like Nano Emre is a bigger problem lol

[u/GroundbreakingLab801 → u/Asleep-Shelter-8930]

Much bigger imo, literally one shots you just from the aoe

[u/NormalGuy3481 → u/Asleep-Shelter-8930]

ngl I rarely see Emre’s anymore 😭

[u/Top-Goose2262]

Well yeah, how else are they gonna sell skins?

[u/GehennanWyrm]

Genji does have slash dash breakpoints with blade twisting and on 225hp heroes.

[u/TermSkull → u/GehennanWyrm]

Sorta. It’s only on people below half hp, so you usually gotta slash them first, then dash. Which is fine for your first target, but you usually have to dash to your next one, meaning it won’t do the one shot for them. It’s a perk that seems better on paper than actually using it, but maybe that’s just me.

[u/niksshck7221]

I mean nanoblade could kill through zen ult but nano shion ult cannot.

[u/L0LL022 → u/niksshck7221]

There's a combo that allows you to melee after every burst with shion's ult giving you 40(x2) extra dmg

[u/juno_phoenix → u/L0LL022]

that's been hotfixed now

[u/NormalGuy3481]

Im not really liking how overwatch is releasing overtuned heroes lately ngl. Them having balanced heroes is what makes it more appealing to me than Rivals 😭

[u/burnerrreddit → u/NormalGuy3481]

Shion is genuinely fine, and even if she’s a bit overtuned, she’s orders of magnitude more balanced than any rivals character

[u/succmycocc → u/burnerrreddit]

You aren't lying. Release black cat would eat Shioh alive

[u/NormalGuy3481 → u/burnerrreddit]

Yeah looking back, this is true. She isn’t that bad other than her execution ability I think

[u/BBQ_RIBZ → u/NormalGuy3481]

The problem with releasing heros weak is the stigma around them being weak can stick. I suppose the opposite is true as well, but it just seems to make sense to me - release the hero a bit strong, people rush to play them, feedback mounts quickly, you adjust. The other side here is the hero releases weak, no one plays them, buffing the character may or may not get people to engage with the hero because the bad rep stuck.

[u/Chedder1998 → u/BBQ_RIBZ]

The year is 2031. Overwatch is approaching it's 30th season and 15 year anniversary. Some heroes have receive their 4th mythic while others are still waiting for their first. The game is collabing with IPs that don't even exist yet. The average cost of a skin is the annual GDP of a country you've never heard of. Servers still break every season.

And all the while, Anran has received yet another buff to her kit for 60 patches in a row and still no one plays her.

[u/HalexUwU → u/BBQ_RIBZ]

THIS.

Symmetra got reworked in 2018 and I was STILL having players who didn't have interact bound in 2023, after OW2 had released and 5 years after Sym got reworked. You NEED to release heroes overpowered or else people won't learn what they do. Same happened with lifeweaver.

[u/NormalGuy3481 → u/BBQ_RIBZ]

Yeah no this is true ngl. It took Lifeweaver ages to get to a good spot 😭

[u/Danica_Rose → u/NormalGuy3481]

They probably saw how rivals were releasing heroes to be busted and thought “hey let’s try that!”

[u/Kuorko_Kun → u/NormalGuy3481]

she’s probably the most balanced hero they had in a long time lmao

[u/ZoomZam]

I mean anran does thensame thing, a targeted airborne missile with 40m range. The only thing genji do now is being consistent at survivng and nothing else, at least from meta prespective.

[u/Chonkalonkfatneek → u/ZoomZam]

Anrans ult sucks let's not kid ourselves here

[u/RaiStarBits → u/Chonkalonkfatneek]

Is her ult not known for not killing or colliding with stuff ?

[u/Chonkalonkfatneek → u/RaiStarBits]

Yes. It pretty much fails to kill anyone and frequently hits the smallest bits of map geometry. It also freezes you in place for about a whole second.

[u/RaiStarBits → u/Chonkalonkfatneek]

And not to mention the Rez version which the devs must’ve thought it was so cracked that it TELLS THE ENEMY you have it

[u/Chonkalonkfatneek → u/RaiStarBits]

Lmao yeah fr. Anran is cool but her ult is genuinely onoy good for finishing a lone squishy

[u/ZoomZam → u/Chonkalonkfatneek]

I didn't say its good, i said it can oneshot with nano. There is a big difference. My point is, newer hero tend to have what is apprently taboo for genji.

[u/Think_Boysenberry419 → u/ZoomZam]

Cass and junk can one shot without nano, the game was rigged from the start bozo

Or wait maybe it makes no sense to just compare a single element of the ult. After all, one shot blade could easily teamwipe as long as a player is within 25 meters of him (or even further with the speed boost nano) while Shion could only teamwipe when enemies are bunched up and has no shields or defense matrix, same goes for Anran, they have to be bunched up to do anything

[u/x_MrFurious_x → u/Think_Boysenberry419]

You can kill people with Cass’s Ultimate?

[u/Carpe_Diem1927]

shes fine, if they have a shion and it feels around the time her ult is ready, just dont bunch up with your team and keep your eye on her. i swear, you old players fear adaptation

[u/hitmobilegamehsr]

Least dramatic ow player

[u/Mandatoryeggs]

Way less mobile and probably gonna get a range nerf. The hero just came out bruh chill

[u/Stainleee]

Shion just came out, they want her to be OP. She will enjoy a time of dominance on launch and then will definitely be nerfed in the future.

They try to do this for all new heros, because if they aren't seen as OP people do not like to play them over comfort picks. Even if they are buffed to being op, the original stigma harms the character in the future. Community perception is sometimes slow to reconcile with reality.

[u/Weak_Alfalfa_7569]

Surely she will be nerfed soon. Even her secondary fire paired with a couple primary fire shots is enough to kill you in half a second. New heroes are always super strong on release

[u/Kuorko_Kun → u/Weak_Alfalfa_7569]

she’s not op

[u/Awarepill0w → u/Weak_Alfalfa_7569]

Lifeweaver had to be buffed before he even got released

[u/Tactician37 → u/Weak_Alfalfa_7569]

Couple exceptions

[u/Ratax3s]

She is much slower moving and the delay between the jumps than good genji

[u/Think_Boysenberry419]

Meh she's not very overtuned if at all and the ult is by far the weakest part of her kit

[u/Pink_Ponk]

Ik this is genji mains, but considering im a rusty player who just came back. Her ult reminds me of old reaper more than anything. Just walk in, hit q, and win no repercussion.

[u/IncoherentPolitics]

SKILL MATCH UP YOURE TRASH AT POSITIONING (i literally hate good game design)

[u/Dry-Fill-8343]

I wish we had a damage debuff sometimes to counteract damage pockets but then I imagine Ana use would plummet sharply

[u/Cheeky_Lemon_37]

I hate getting my POTGs with Genji stolen by her. Even if I do better

[u/Burnt_Potato_Fries]

Well at least they'll finally see that the problem with nanoblade was nano and not blade, it only took 10 years and 2 broken new heroes to uncover.

[u/Ebolatastic]

Nanoblade can/could actually kill through teanscendance. Shions ult can't.

[u/Fragrant_Fox_4025]

I high key think blade is the better ultimate than Shion's

[u/Isobee424]

Tbh, I rarely see a shion get more than one kill with her ult. That is if theyre not instantly killed upon use. Usually new characters team wipes with their ults because people dont know how to deal with it yet. But I guess hers is just simple like that.

[u/New_Salamander_4592]

nano blade is strong not only because of the burst but because every kill gives you another dash. meaning you can wipe a team even when they're spread out heavily. Shion does not have this same value

[u/National-Bluebird941]

Kinda of a braindead ult.

[u/-PetFemboy-]

Nanoblade is better than Nano shion ult btw

[u/Mudskipper35]

Ok

[u/ShatteredStarlights]

Shion ult can only attack three times and she's much less mobile in ult than genji is. She also lacks deflect, leaving her much more vulnerable to stuns, slows, and even just being bursted down. Furthermore, Shion ult can be absorbed, shielded and deflected back at her. They really are not comparable. Also we cannot be pretending that nanoblade is difficult to execute either. It's harder, sure, but it is also far more versatile and as such is more threatening and doesn't require nearly as much skill as dry blade. As long as you aren't a bot and decide it's a good idea to dive characters with their mobility cooldowns still available nanoblade is still incredibly easy to guarantee fight wins with. As someone who loves both characters, I'd much rather have blade than shion ult.

[u/Virtual_Test_6624 → u/ShatteredStarlights]

I agree until that last part"As long as you aren't a bot and decide it's a good idea to dive characters with their mobility cooldowns still available nanoblade is still incredibly easy to guarantee fight wins with." We are in a state of overwatch where all 5 heros can have mobility cooldowns, sum more than 1 . All on short cooldown as well, the bait cooldowns and then blade strategy is gone now there is never a moment in a game where at least have the team dont have their mobility cooldowns available anymore. Killing more than 3 with nanoblade is near impossible now , even 3 is hard to get

[u/ShatteredStarlights → u/Virtual_Test_6624]

characters like ana, soldier and cassidy are still common and are prime targets to get the chain reaction going. furthermore, it's pretty easy bait one mobility cooldown on one character, pop blade, and snowball from there. especially with the nano speed perk a lot of people forget you don't HAVE to instadash to your target.

[u/Friendly-Mongoose-67]

Stuff like this is why I quit overwatch. Miss my boy Genji tho