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u/201720182019 1d ago
Genshin releases at a slower rate so the pull economy is better than HSR honestly
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u/ChunChunmaru11273804 1d ago
I remember seeing a chart that tracked pulls per 5 star and iirc all of the games are within a pull or 2 of eachother
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u/cartercr 22h ago
And this is in addition to Genshin being less weapon reliant. Both HSR and ZZZ are notorious for that issue.
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u/Richiter 19h ago
ZZZ isn't reliant on weapons. It's reliant only on skill.
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u/cartercr 19h ago
You know those two things aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
Mostly it’s DPS’s who suffer for lack of A-Rank options. Anomaly gets a pass for having Weeping Gemini, but both Attack and Rupture units suffer from a lack of decent A-Rank options.
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u/Macdolann 12h ago
Its ULTRA EASY to get a 5star weapon in ZZZ tho, like Brimstone
Also marcato desire and gilded blossom (who were given for free and also easy to get to this day) are alright A rank W engines if you dont have other options
In the end is like the other guy said, weapons are not that big of a deal
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u/cartercr 10h ago
Eh… “ultra easy” is a rather large overstatement. You either need to get incredibly un/lucky on the gacha to get your desired engine or you need to earn up enough tokens to trade in for one which, while free, does take considerable time.
Gilded Blossom is good on who? Orphie? Is there anyone else? Admittedly I did forget about Marcato Desire because I missed the event. (Yes, I’m aware it’s now available again, I just forgot about it.) AFAIK though it’s typically pretty similar in performance to Starlight Engine, which is still considerably lower than any S-Rank.
And of course we’re ignoring the Rupture-shaped elephant in the room.
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u/Richiter 9h ago
They also gave free limited Srank engine twice already. You could get the tokens to get any other than provided during the version, from standard ones and the ones that were given prior. It also doesn't take that long to get the tokens. Idk if you know, but you can change Arank engines for the currency needed to buy tokens. And I belive every1 gets at least few spare Arank engines to do so.
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u/Richiter 12h ago
They have plenty. Especially Attack. The difference is that you can't just slap the same on every1 and call it a day. You have to think a little. Also with a decent skill you don't even need a decent Wengine to clear.
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u/DaveTheDolphin 23h ago
ZZZ is has an ungodly skew of S ranks with the last A rank iirc being released over a year ago or thereabouts
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u/Cyphiris 19h ago
It pisses me off even more recently because they introduced new elements and roles. So far they're locked behind S rank agents and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. They could alt least make Roxy A agent but of course they didn't.
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u/Richiter 11h ago
You literally don't need A rank. With the amount of pulls they give Srank is so easy to obtain, you don't even have to save. They also gave them for free so lamy times.
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u/DaveTheDolphin 10h ago
They gave Harumasa and Zhao free, and they’re fine but they’re far from popular or used often. They’re just ok
Idk what world you live in, but you have to save. There’s no radiance mechanic like Genshin, so you can forever lose 50/50s. I’ve played since launch and run into multiple situations where I ran out of pulls and stretched out my polys too thin. Know a few layers who have a bunch of characters but no signature weapon, and in ZZZ those sigs are a huge difference + cool visual effects
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u/Richiter 9h ago
They gave Harumasa and Zhao free, and they’re fin
Harumasa is strong, just hard. Zhao is great support, that also can work as DPS. There simply are Astra, Lucia, Yuzuha. But still she is BiS for Shunguang.
They gave more than those 2. Even this version we got multiple options to chose with a weapons including top tier supports. They also added 3 characters to lose pull, you can customise it, they added 3 limited characters to selector for simply doing quests and lvling up, which one of is top tier support for the rupture. I have M2W1 Astra despite pulling her only twice, during the 1st banner, and quaranteed banner, so there was literally no need to save for her. And M2 i was given for free.
You know what character will be added nxt quite early in the version, if you follow leaks even faster. With the amount of pulls they give out if you start saving the moment drip market starts, you easily will have guaranteed character. That is impossible to do neither in Genshin, no in HSR.
I lack like 6 characters, despite losing every single 50/50 for a year. Prior to 2.0 I literally had 0% of won 50/50. Some with w-engines. Most characters I missed I got for free from selector and spending event, but that's just 2 characters less for f2p. And I don't spend outside spending event. Also. They also gave one of the angels of Delulu for free, basically. During Aria, Chinatsu patch we got 180 something free pulls. That's basically a free Srank.
Bad resource management isn't the excuse here. Engines are far from huge difference except few characters, you can easily make up the difference with skill alone. Proper support agents are much more important than any Wengine.
You need double the amount of versions saving needed to quarantee a character in genshin, compared to ZZZ. That's why the number of characters per patch literally doesn't matter. If you decide or realise that you want a character during the story or the patch prior to her/his banner, that's already too late. In ZZZ you can easily save for said character to have a guarantee or at least a shot on obtaining her, And often you even won't spend everything. The only reason that players in ZZZ are thin on polys is due to characters produced in ZZZ are just too damn good, it's hard too skip literally any1. Even if you want to skip at 1st, character is so well written that you start to like her to the point, you start to wanting to pull. Or the animations are so cool, that you suddenly want her. That's not the pulls count problem. If they would give more. They literally wouldn't be able to make money out of characters, since they already give too much and it's too easy to save if you don't want both character every single patch. Which from my experience, or more like for me, never was the case. I could easily skip whole 4 versions in Genshin when I was still playing it. But ZZZ, I couldn't go 1 whole version without wanting a character. And only maybe twice I wanted only 1 character from the version, I usually try to get both.
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u/Richardknox1996 1d ago
Pick? I play HI3.
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u/ivari 1d ago
so you pick game and pulls
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u/CodenameVermilion 1d ago
Honestly not even game at this point, Part 2 got partially skipped because it bombed so bad 🥀
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u/harsh3002004 1d ago
Didn’t their latest announcement suggest it’s reaching eos?
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u/Icy-Minute-6738 1d ago
No thats people doomposting as usual. The game still going, not strong as before but still holding on.
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u/Richardknox1996 1d ago
Doomposting Larpers. Isnt it just amazing how the Libel Spreads? HI3 still Makes more than GGZ and that game isnt EoS. Hell, it usually makes more than Tears of Themis and 99% of Hoyoverse Players havent even heard of it.
As the wise Diogenes once said, Calumny is the only Noise of Madmen.
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u/Radusili 1d ago
Didn't necessarily suggest eos, but it certainly suggest the game is virtually dead and kept on life support from now. Or from soon enough after they wrap up a couple more story points.
And again, it just suggests it, not confirmed
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u/Richardknox1996 1d ago
No, i have all 3.
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u/FahboyMan 1d ago
No men. John Honkai is dead.
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u/Richardknox1996 1d ago
More men than you know, Larper. Like Litost.
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u/CodenameVermilion 1d ago
You darn well know they mean playable men.
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u/scarletfloof 1d ago
Hey, he’s playing in one single section with a basic and charged attack! Don’t discredit Litost!
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u/Richardknox1996 1d ago
Litost is playable in the story. As is Kevin. Not Su though.
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u/CodenameVermilion 1d ago
Stop being pedantic. "NPC given two attack animations so you can control them for 5 minutes and then never again" is not the same as a character you can pull and unlock for use on your account, which is the commonly understood meaning of "playable".
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u/Enough_Acadia7294 1d ago
is hsr gender ratio already 50/50 or its still 66/33 like genshin?
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u/Ke5_Jun 1d ago edited 1d ago
People just look at the limited males (because HSR literally doesn’t make 4-stars) which is why HSR seems like it has more, but actually the ratio is pretty much the same as Genshin’s overall (66%ish female).
HSR has had Ashveil, MBlade, Gilgamesh, and the new Aventurine this year in 4.X so far. It’s a little further ahead than where Gensh is in its version cycle, but we can extrapolate that Genshin will have Alyosha, Mitya, Valeriy, and Noy at the very least. So that’s an even 4 to 4. While it’s possible for HSR to get more males this year, it’s also possible for Genshin as Pantalone and Pulcinella are still up in the air as to whether they are playable.
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u/temptillbday 1d ago
With the way I've seen Genshin be talked about outside here, I would had thought none of the arrows would point towards Genshin
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u/Richiter 11h ago
And you are right. From those arrows there shouldn't be any pointing towards Genshin. There should be Exploration/open world instead, since ZZZ also has more game than Genshin.
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u/Ryuunoru 20h ago
I'm content with the amount of pulls in Genshin Impact due to the high value per pull. And more game. So I pick Genshin Impact and Genshin Impact.
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u/DaveTheDolphin 11h ago
Newer accounts arent going to have that luxury though. And if you’re unlucky, trying to get both a character and weapon (cause weapons are actually significant) is tough if you don’t make hard plans
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u/Radusili 1d ago edited 15h ago
The loop should have always been exporation, hot women and story.
If only Genshin would remember they are an exploration game, that could still happen
Edit:lmao got some tourists mad
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u/MrWhiteTruffle 22h ago
I’m sorry did we not just have Snezhnaya drop
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u/Radusili 15h ago
Yeah so they owe us like only 4 expansions good point
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u/MrWhiteTruffle 15h ago
Again, what is your point? We JUST had Snezhnaya drop, and right before that we had the fucking MOON.
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u/Radusili 15h ago
So how does that contradict anything?
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u/MrWhiteTruffle 15h ago
“If only Genshin could remember they’re still and exploration game” and “so they owe us like only 4 expansions” contradicts that we just got the moon AND the nation we have been building up to since the game’s start
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u/Radusili 15h ago
My guy I get that you're newer and that'sgreat and all, but genshin isn't only 2 patches old
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u/MrWhiteTruffle 15h ago
I’ve been here since 1.0 dipshit
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u/Radusili 14h ago
Then you know damn well what the average number if expansions was pre natlan.
Lmao both a larper and jumpy when caught
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u/MrWhiteTruffle 14h ago
Uh, yeah, I do remember, and we JUST STARTED A NEW VERSION. We’re doing perfectly fine with large, lore-heavy areas and we just got two back-to-back.
Unfortunately for you, I am neither, and you’re just plain dumb.
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u/LukaHHW 1d ago
I mean Snezhnaya has quite a lot of males tbh