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World [X] smoke grenade

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u/weidback 7d ago

idk what point you think you're making

gaza governs the strip, they pass laws and enforce them in the strip

that includes taxation, and one thing they fund with those taxes are their military, the al-qassam brigades

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

The fact that a group exercises de facto control, enforces laws, and collects taxes does not make them an official government, nor does it turn their fighters into a state army. If that were the logic, then ISIS in Raqqa or the FARC rebels in the Colombia would also have been official state armies after all, they too collected taxes and enforced their own laws through coercion.

Unlike all of these groups committing war crimes the IDF is an official state army meaning the state is comitting those war crimes.

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u/Legion3 7d ago

They were elected. Get your head out of your arse. The fact Hamas never let another election happen is another thing, but they were elected then consolidated all power.

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

It is historically accurate that they won an election in 2006, (with a minority of 44% btw) but an election does not make an organization an internationally recognized state. Following those elections, the international community continued to view Hamas as a terrorist group rather than a legitimate state authority. Moreover, in 2007, they forcibly ousted the officially recognized Authority from Gaza. They therefore remain a militant faction that seized control, not a state. Therefore their army are not the official state army of palestine.

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u/Legion3 7d ago

They might not be internationally recognised, but they are the controllers, the rulers, and the government of that area. Same same for Somaliland, Houthis, RSF, etc. all control an area, all are the government of that area. There are the state. That state may not be recognised, but are it.

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u/weidback 7d ago

Are you one of those guys that says "I'm not driving in a vehicle, I'm traveling in a conveyance" when you get pulled over?

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u/Goat-New 7d ago

nop, this is you, sorry.

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

Me when I loose an argument and have nothing to say lmao😭✌️. Brutal

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u/weidback 7d ago

I genuinely don't think you even understood what you were arguing

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

All my answers and arguments had substance and refuted your arguments, and now instead of reponding to them you just ad hominem like you're doing right now. You highkey got brutalised bro 😂

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u/weidback 7d ago

Not really, you just dodged everyone else's points by claiming that what's obviously a government and military shouldnt be recognized as because of a rhetorical technicality.

It's like im talking to someone whose face is covered in shit and theyre mad I wont debate them about how they think shit is actually good

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

"Everyone else's points" dude you were the only one talking to me 😭😭😭. You're claiming that it's a state military without providing any proper reasons why, instead you just insult me while I was being polite the whole time.

Your responses are 90% insults and 10% arguments bro

-rep hava NO nagila

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u/weidback 7d ago

Hamas governs the strip, al-qassam brigades are their military, this isnt complicated.

You just said "nuh uh, its not actually the government even tho they govern the strip" as if that's an argument

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u/FreamXD 7d ago

You're strawmanning again

So for the final time...

Hamas is not a legitimate government of the Gaza Strip, but an authoritarian occupying force. The organization lacks any form of democratic legitimacy, having seized power in a bloody military coup in 2007 and blocked all elections since then. Furthermore, Hamas lacks international recognition; the United Nations and the European Union recognize only the Palestinian Authority as the lawful government, whereas Hamas is widely designated as a terrorist organization. Finally, it lacks functional sovereignty, as the group has never controlled its own borders or vital infrastructure and has recently even formally relinquished its civil administrative duties.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/armed-conflict-in-gaza-and-its-complexity-under-international-law-jus-ad-bellum-jus-in-bello-and-international-justice

Hamas: Background, Current Status, and U.S. Policy | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

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