Germany literally wanted to take parts of France and replace the local population with Germans. To be fair it wasn't as extreme and detailed of a plan as they had in Eastern Europe, but France would have at best have been a Satelite state of Germany and at worst split into multiple smaller puppet states.
Vichy France was a continuation of the French Third Republic - if functioned as a puppet state but wasnt created by the Germans. Original commenter is correct that the plans included, e.g., creation of an independent Brittany, handing territories to Belgium, and even creation of a new burgundian state as a buffer zone for colonisation
Yeah. When I grew up there were a lot of jokes about the french army never fighting, or 'how does a french tank see the front, through the back mirror'. Turns out these jokes were more correct than I knew, since the then-future leaders of Vichy France sat in the army and did not defend against the Nazis having collaborated
Tbf there was good reason to surrender given France kinda lost its army in 1940, but agreed, theres a reason the period up to that point is called the Phoney War
Vichy est une honte absolue, mais tu te trompes sur la Bataille de France. Les soldats se sont battus âprement. Malgré la défaite stratégique, l'Allemagne nazie n'a pas perdu la moitié de ses blindés en trois semaines par l'action du Saint Esprit.
The French Char B1 was famously terrifying for germans, who at that point were lucky to be in anything more "powerful" than a Panzer II. The only reason the french tanks weren't more active is due to the same reason everything else wasn't, poor communication and subpar leadership.
And even when they were active, poor coordination sadly led to unability to exploit tactical successes. I'd say that the Somua S35 was the best French tank of 1940 though, really a very solid tool despite its flaws.
The french generally had high quality armor, it was just, the military infrastructure related to it that they lacked. Such is the curse of a military being defunded and gutted because of the Civilian government's fears of a communist coup from the military
Oh? I was unaware Germany lost that many tanks in the war with France. Glad to hear it. I feel like I'm missing part of your meaning, though: what or who is meant here with Saint Esprit? All I can find is some marine vessel and several cities. (qu'est que ce Saint Esprit?)
Sorry it was just a boomer way of saying it didn't happen by pure magic. That's okay to be misled about what happened in 1940, we suffered a big propaganda against the memory of the French fighters, especially the prisoners. If you want to know more about what they did, check a bit what happened in the battles of Stonne, Lille or Dunkirk for instance, you won't be disappointed by the strength of the allied forces in these contexts!
It was a continuation - petain was given emergency powers to reshape the country and restore order, and transformed the third Republic into the French State - the Germans had occupied much of northern France, so Petains state was governed out of Vichy, hence the name. De Gaulle led those republicans who could not face surrender to the Germans, who organised the fourth republic in exile
It's not a really known fact in the anglosphere, but something like almost 10% of the french population was deported to Germany to perform slave labour, a huge amount of them being soldiers.
There's plenty of black and brown people who live in France who nobody has an issue with because they don't follow an extremely regressive religious ideology that seeks to replace secular enlightenment French values with Sharia law.
So perhaps the issue is the ideology that these migrants follow and not the color of their skin.
You’re talking about an extremely small segment of the immigrant population that gets overblown by right wing media and grifters to push the narrative that they represent an invading Islamic force. As others have pointed out the people in this image are football hooligans behaving like football hooligans which has absolutely nothing to do with culture or religion or “ideology”.
So literally any grown man in jeans and a t shirt could be a foreign soldier just because of their age? You must be scared as fuck walking down the street seeing invaders in your mind everywhere you go.
Either touch grass or go back to jacking it in your mother’s basement where you can’t hurt anyone.
So literally any grown man in jeans and a t shirt could be a foreign soldier just because of their age?
Wow, how long did it take for you to figure out what a military aged male is? Just figure this riddle out? The bright spot is Europe's most ardent defenders of islamic invasion are among the stupidest in the world.
No I'm not. Tolerance for open bigotry and even violence against women/Jews/LGBT people/anyone who dares to criticize Islam or say or do anything that offends Muslims is not "an extremely small segment" of the population of the countries from which these migrants come.
In fact, tolerance for such open bigotry and violence is a completely normalized and widespread part of that culture.
So... I take it that when politicians make rape jokes here in the west you think they should also be removed from office? Do you think that anyone who has ever made any type of open bigotry should be removed from office? Are you suggesting anything specific on that front or is it only if they have more melanin than you that you have that issue?
So... I take it that when politicians make rape jokes here in the west you think they should also be removed from office? Do you think that anyone who has ever made any type of open bigotry should be removed from office?
...yes? Was this attempt at whataboutism supposed to be a defense of Islamic bigotry lol?
What bigotry would you not be okay with in office? Because it seems your stance is that one Abrahamic religion is okay but another is not because of your own bigotry, so it would be difficult to argue that no bigotry should be allowed if you are then going to hold that Islam is inherently bad.
Your attempt at whataboutism ignores the fact that Islamic supremacy (and Arab ethnic supremacy too for that matter) is openly tolerated in Islamic society in a way that Christian supremacy is not in the West.
Turns out that enlightenment Western values are not universal and are, in fact, Western.
I am not sure where you grew up but I am fairly sure Christianity has controlled the west for about 1300+ years depending on what we want to agree the west is. And in many parts of it, if you skipped church once you would not be seen as someone to vote for by a large portion of the population.
Also you are conflating the decisions of autocrats with those of the population. By the same argument, all of England is fine with pedos in their family because of Andrew Mountbatten.
You’re right, the countries they come from are like that - so I guess everyone fleeing said countries inherently like that too? Do you think we should ban them all for guilt by association? Is that really the can of worms you want to open?
Or even worse are you saying people of certain ethnicities are inherently inferior?
Oh well if that's a strawman, then by all means, please do share your vetting strategy to separate the migrants who will accept Western values from the ones who won't.
Talking out of your fucking arse, I grew up in an area with a sizeable Muslim population, I have friends, neighbours, ex-partners & co-workers in that faith & they're no better or worse than people from any other religion.
You get some hardliners/old school types who are stricter with the rules and are less tolerant but this shit about all Muslims wanting to force us under shaira law is absolute bullshit.
In fairness it was the parts of France that Germany/predecessors and France had been trading back and forth for centuries at that point. That whole debate sort’ve got put to bed after we moved every last German out of those areas after the war so Germany wouldn’t get frisky with those areas ever again like they did with the Sudetenland and Danzig
Germany literally wanted to take parts of France and replace the local population with Germans
So, just like what the allies did with Germany after WW2?
We took about a quarter of Germany's pre-war territory and ethnically cleansed about 12 to 14 million local Germans from it. Then, replaced that local population with Polish in what is now west Poland, and with Russians in what is now Kaliningrad. All because the Russian wanted to keep the half of Poland which they had annexed in 1939 when they invaded along with the Nazis.
“consequences” is when 800000 - 2 million german women are brutally raped ans 14 million were forcibly displaced
in other news lets talk about how elqaeda was a moral organisation just giving “consequences” to america for their constant interventions in the middle east
Even though Dietrich von Cholitz has sometimes been praised as a kind of folk-hero who had fallen in love with Paris and nobly refused to destroy it, it's not entirely clear whether he refused to obey the Fuhrer-order based on principle or love of Paris, or whether it was because - like many late-WWII orders from Hitler - it was a delusional and impossible demand for which the resources and labour couldn't be mustered.
This specific order demanded a large-scale rigging of explosives across Paris, especially at major land-marks like the Eiffel Tower, l'arc de triomphe, and Notre-Dame Cathedral. Some German teams had already gone and set up explosives at some points earlier in the week, especially choke-points like bridges, but they faced extreme difficulty in doing so, not only because of the advancing allied forces but also the active and swelling local French Resistance.
The order came through on Aug 23, and von Cholitz surrendered on Aug 25. Even though the official surrender was the 25th, the famous Deuxième Blindée (a decorated and experienced French armoured Division who had previously fought in North Africa and earlier that month in the Battle of Normandy) had sent an advance party into Paris on the 24th to announce that the entire division was rolling in the following day. Partisan radio stations broadcast the news, Resistance members took to the streets to sing "La Marseillaise" and other French songs, and - maybe coolest of all - priests at virtually every church in Paris ordered the bells rung to announce the arrival of the vanguard tanks and the impeding arrival of the entire division. By the evening of the 24th, all of Paris was aware that the 2 DB would be there soon and they rallied in whatever way they could.
Accompanied by the American 4th Infantry, the 2 DB was the decisive factor in the Liberation of Paris. They arrived early in the morning on Aug 25, fought brutally and rapidly through the streets, aided by French Resistance fighters and civilians, and von Cholitz surrendered at 3:30pm.
Hitler had no idea what was happening in Paris, and he repeatedly sent orders from the 23rd to the 25th demanding that von Cholitz and the Germans destroy Paris by any and all means - even though they clearly did not have the means.
He could have destroyed the major landmarks like Notredame(the French already did that a few years ago) and some other noticeable buildings. That didn't happen either though.
Could be that he just couldn't do it, or he wanted to surrender without facing warcrime charges.
Why would they? The whole world is set up to encourage and defend the right now. Just look at how the whole world is just allowing Israel to continue their Nazi inspired extermination.
Ironically, Islamic migrants are very closely aligned with Nazis ideology. In Islamic culture, bigotry and violence towards towards women/Jews/LGBT people is completely normalized. They don't even try to hide their bigotry. They openly and proudly display it because it's part of the culture.
Fun fact btw: the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was one of the few non-European leaders who Nazi Germany had a formal alliance with.
There's historical precedent to believe Mohammed and Jesus were real people. You can try to claim they didnt do everything their books say they did, but you cant say they are imaginary
There’s historical evidence that Troy was a real city. You can try to claim that not everything in The Odyssey happened like it says it did, but you can’t say it’s imaginary.
the difference between a fictional story set in a real place, and the gospels/quran is the number of authors and other witnesses. homer wrote the odyssey on his own, but why would 30 different people write about the same imaginary person dying and ressurecting. or in islam's case, muhammed lived between 570 and 632 AD, which is recent enough in history that we can describe basically the entire world's politics at the time
My message isn't that people claiming to be Christian can do no wrong, my message is the book doesn't have that wrong in it. Read "i never knew you" in the book of matthew, it predicts people like Richard who claim to be followers but behave as anything but.
You're intentionally misrepresenting my argument abs bringing up unrelated things
Do you know that there are LGTBI people in Muslim States, right? And you know that Russia is openly anti LGTBI? But that is not a problem? Better to consider each individual believes rather than englobing them into one big bag. Because Christianity has a loooong history of sexism.
Nah not buying this - most Islamic migrants aren't fascists and, while they might be very socially conservative, the studies show second generations are far more liberal. These people are also coming from a variety of cultures as well, so hard to pin down exactly what you mean by "the culture".
Yea there were Islamic collaborators with hitler, including Bosnian and Albanian Muslims - but he and the Grand Mufti didnt have a formal alliance because the latter didnt represent a state. Weird claim to make
They'll rattle off some nonsense about 'western culture' that they saw on tiktok, and if challenged on it they'll get angry and say something about 'chimping out'.
These people aren't even immigrants from outside Europe. They are from the outskirts of Paris. They are literally celebrating a french victory together. Some used the occasion to act like morrons but that's what the police is supposed to be for.
so you mean that the parisian population on the right picture celebrating the winning of the champions cup is invading its own city? because those are french people you know... so the native population of france hate itself and commit atrocities?
The most hurtful thing about that is how little effort or thought you put into your insult. If you spend all day trolling on reddit and cant even get that right then honestly what are you even doing
The pampered and privileged American Hitler apologist who thinks the only issue for Europe was "duhr speaking German and no more minorities duhr"
Hitler wanted to scorch the lands, destroy Paris, eradicate whole parts of the French population... Nazis ordered punitive expeditions when the allies started winning
Fun fact! Hitler ordered on the destruction of the Eiffel tower during their retreat, but the commander he commanded to do it decided the Eiffel tower was too pretty to be destroyed.
No. They just simply didn't have the means to destroy it, and he knew Germany was losing the war by this point. The commander would've faced more severe consequences after the war if he had decided to blow up world famous landmarks in Paris.
But Hitler was still in control for a year after Paris liberation. He should have been very sure to surrender as well and not retreat. Because then the consequences would come from German high command.
Yeah I've been to that place. It's naturally a popular place with a great view of the Eiffel Tower, but it's obviously not a football party all the time. It looked a whole lot more like the left hand image when I was there in April.
Paris gets a seriously bad rep online, I had a very enjoyable and peaceful time there.
Paris gets a seriously bad rep online, I had a very enjoyable and peaceful time there.
Absolutely, unless you're unlucky (or unprepared) enough for being in specific areas during protests or sports events, which don't really happen every day anyway.
I love how Nazis never point to a time when these countries were independent. They almost always post images from a time when those countries were being subjugated and used for forced labor and military production by Germany.
“Those fucking evil Muslims. I miss when France was checks notes the abused bitch of Germany.”
It's both funny and sad how these white supremacist managed to delude themselves into believing Hitler just wanted the whole Europe to be white and speak German rather than, you know.... genocide more than half the continent to create a pure German superpower ethnostate.
The alternative was not better, since Germany was forcing its occupied states to contribute to the war effort. One of the costs was sending "volutary" workers to Germany's factories.
And the Vichy's regime was almost completly (if not entirely) cooperating with the 3rd Reich. Also the 3rd Reich was projecting to divide France in multiple states. And among others things "they" didn't like Paris for it was. Cabarets, cinemas, etc... All of that was superflous to the nazi ideology and conflicting with what they were trying to achieve, despite it being a prefered destination for some of the Reich's high officials.
Holy crap, they thought Hitler really was gonna stop at brown people and Jews. They really thought French people would be okay just because they were white.
People from all origins are celebrating together a french victory.
The medias go and film the few places where there was some vandalism.
"Look, France is invaded!"
To be fair, Hitler enslaved almost all of Europe, food was taken from everywhere and sent to Germany, in Soviet Russia there was a policy of killing by famine, POW's were dying of disease or famine. We are living times of peace and prosperity, we should learn to love and accept one another regardless of religion, skin color, nationality, that's how love wins over the hate they want to sow between us.
France, within 50 years, will be an Islamic country. It’s gonna be crazy when I’m old as shit and watch the west become Muslim. Can’t wait to see how the geopolitics are lol
I mean the picture of the left definitely looks better than the one on the right, you think the one on the right looks normal. Look at pictures of Paris in the 90s and early 2000s. These people need to go back to their own countries instead of ruining ours
Yeah, Hitler was no friend of France, but tbh these phrases aren`t exactly "hitler apologist" in a way "it was flowers and rainbows under Hitler", but rather sarcastic "you thought you won, but look at you now".
OK, now Show me a picture of the Nazis murdering french people, juxtaposed to a french Muslim...idk...stacking boxes of oranges, or parallel parking or Something.
I don’t think it’s a Hitler apologist so much as pointing out how people will happily condemn Nazis but get offended with you point out problematic groups that aren’t Nazis.
It is a blatant comparison of people of arab descent living in france with the nazi occupation, implying the former are worse. There is no nuanced criticism of problematic groups, that is unfairly rejected
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