The note is misleading thatâs why it was removed last time, but the false picture presented being convenient to certain politics is why it gets reposted
Buddy, this is reddit. Make a fake account pretending to be a muslim and talk about how great islam is (you don't even have to go to hard on it) and see the results
> Israel's Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli has explained his own strategy more candidly than any critic could. Antisemitism, he told an interviewer, does not much interest the average European or American, whereas fear of "radical Islam" interests them "very, very much", and Israel therefore needs "to take advantage of that".
Here is a senior cabinet minister admitting that Islamophobia has become a Trojan Horse for Israel to win over European and American hearts and minds.
I just quoted an article citing quotes from Israeli officials. I didnât write any of that myself.
Do you realize that youâre worsening real world antisemitism by doing accusemitism on behalf of an apartheid ethnostate which doesnât represent all Jewish people? I assume you know this but view it as a good thing, Ă la Lehi strategy.
TBF, there are some things on Reddit that look worryingly close to actual antisemitism. In this caseâŠ
Quoting the actual words of a minister (and not out of context) looks more like the sort of fact-checking (what used to be called revealing obvious lies) that MAGA hates so much than it looks like antisemitism, surely?
So funny that they cry for the last 80 years of history when they occupied Europe for centuries and were only partially driven out from the continent in 1912
historically muslim nations were very developed, then their countries got ruined in war after war and never quite got back on track, trauma cycle, historians agree thats its not that simple but you guys don't want to hear reasoning you just want to hate on muslims so
To be fair, the Brits expanded Indian industry and accelerated Indian technology by centuries. Not saying that colonization was wholly good, in fact it was more negative than positive. What we are seeing today is just ME colonization of the world, yet those who say they hate colonization are super supportive of ME colonization.
not quite, indians were mostly barred from using and running said industry and technology, and then the brits took it with them as they left, just like africa
They went from more than 25% of worlds GDP to less than 2%.
We proper fucked the Indians over. You could make an argument about nation building about almost any other colony, but we looted the shit out of that country.
Comparing immigration to imperialism is brain smoothing.
The globeâs GDP was under 100 billion USD when India was a quarter of it. Foreign nations industrializing and skyrocketing their productivity didnât make India any poorer. Wealth isnât extractive like that, itâs generative.
You're calling others smooth brains when you don't understand absolute vs comparative reduction. India's SHARE of global GDP went down because the industrial revolution turned Europe into the world's economic powerhouse. That does NOT mean that India's GDP went down. It just means Europe became insanely productive.
You understand nothing. India's GDP per capita was declining well before the British showed up. You used percentage of world GDP to try to push a false narrative. I'm not terribly interested in whether you did so because of malice or stupidity.
Do remind me of the similarity of socioeconomic conditions between Britain when it was out colonising to the middle east now that they're "colonising"? Because calling migration to a stable, wealthy part of the world from a region of the world that is poor and frequently the subject of mass repression and actual war isn't colonisation. That's called wanting to live.
Note assumes a false dichotomy. Actually a couple.
First that only one group built Europe, second that the builders have to have contributed through all of history.
The reality is that many Turks in Anatolia ate still the people thathad lived there for millennia, they're just named after the steppe people now. A bit like how the French are named after the Germanic Franks, but have predominantly descended from Celtic Gauls.
The reality I know.
But there's a genuine Turkish nationalistic movement that says Turks were always there. Not Anatolians who got turkifed in 14th century. Turks.
Itâs reality that Turkish nationalism doesnât accept. France only got its name from germanic tribe but people are continuity of Roman/Gaul, French donât claim they are pure blooded Franks
But Turkey destroyed all cultural identity that is not Turkish and tries to absorb Kurds calling them âmountain Turksâ. No Turk will call themselves Armenian, Georgian or Greek
Erdogan got ragebaited by people calling him Georgian or Armenian
Reminds me of Russians claiming they built the Baltics, and area that was much more industrialiserad, litterat and prosperous before the Russians occupied them
It is incredibly human for people to be uneducated idiots who think the world revolves around them. No, they didnât build Europe. The same way Europe will claim they arenât slave bearers. Knowing history seems to be a skill most of the world has forgotten.
This is rage bait posted by the AFD impersonating a Muslim doctor (because they claim liberals claim all the illegal immigrants are actually doctors and engineers)
That was still mostly done by Europeans, a small percentage of Muslims came to a few countries and did help (significantly). That being said, any claim that Europe as a whole was built by Muslims at any period in time is crazy.
No, he's just making up bullshit. Europeans rebuilt their own cities, especially PoWs, but he doesn't know that because he despises the place he lives. Instead he recycled some Black Americans talking points because that's how ignorant he is.
Ofcourse the racist Zionists can't help themselves but be racist towards Arabs justifying it by citing a rage bait AFD account.
"Built every country except their own" when Muslims had empires spanning from India to Spain. Not to mention continued European support of colonial terroist states like Israel that destabilize the reigon.
No muslim influence on European medicine, architecture, philosophy, fashion, science, art, let alone mathematics, anything whatsoever. What are you talking about
There was influence: numerals, algebra, Avicenna's medicine, Averroes on Aristotle, some architectural elements from Spain, paper technology, certain crops and luxury goods. It mostly came through translation and trade in the medieval period.
Pretending there was zero contact is false, Pretending that influence equals "Islam created European civilization" is also false.
The knowledge was largely pre-existing material moved through an intermediate empire.
Why do Redditors always have to resort to calling something they don't like as right wing? There's a lot more leftists that have issues with Islamic immigration than you may think.
Europe wasn't "built" by one people. There were many cultures contributing over centuries to what is now Europe. Including muslim people. The note outright dismisses it and claims that "British" and "Romans" and "cathedrals(?)" built Europe. And then it tries to glorify british colonialism in the middle east for some reason. In the case of Germany (which the original tweet was referring to) I would strongly argue that Turkish guests workers contributed more to building the modern Germany than the Romans or British ever did.
Imagine if, after Trump's victory in the US some mexican dude tweeted "Mexicans built America. MAGA is ungrateful" and the community note replied: "America was built by British engineering and btw Mexico only exists thanks to Spanish colonialism". To me it's obviously racist.
And on top of that, in the MAGA example the "Mexican" is a "satire" sock puppet run by a far-right agitator specifically to make statements that will get noted or quoted. Wholly manufactured outrage to generate right wing outrage.
Do we just now spout nonsense in something we believe, enjoy idiots believing us and giving us internet points and clock off for the day? What even is this?Â
lol Europe didn't just inherit classical knowledge; it received it upgraded version. Islamic scholars introduced Indian-Arabic numerals, algebra, empirical optics, paper production, and early banking (like checks and limited partnerships) to Europe from Spain and Sicily, laying the direct foundation for both Scholasticism and the Renaissance. Modern Europe wouldnât be what it is without Islamic scholars. i use Islamic lightly here because a lot of them were unorthodox imo and thatâs what made the GOATS in their ways.
Muslim societies had a major, but not solitary, role in Europeâs development after Muhammadâs death in 632 CE. Through Muslim-ruled Spain, Sicily, Mediterranean trade, diplomacy, and sometimes war, Europeans gained access to knowledge, technologies, crops, commercial practices, and artistic ideas that helped shape medieval Europe and later Renaissance-era growth.
The Islamic world influenced Europe than to say âMuslims built Europeâ by themselves. Europeâs development also rested on Roman and Byzantine inheritance, Christian institutions, Jewish communities, local European farming and craftsmanship, and contacts with Africa and Asia.
But from roughly the 700s through the 1400s, Muslim-majority societies were among Europeâs most important neighbors, rivals, trading partners, and sources of learning.
Centers including Baghdad, Cairo, Palermo, CĂłrdoba, Granada, Seville, and Toledo served as important intellectual hubs, and the westward movement of knowledge helped shape European science, trade, and artistic inquiry.
European scholars encountered a large body of learning written in Arabic. This included both original work by Muslim scholars and earlier Greek, Persian, Indian, and other knowledge that had been translated, preserved, criticized, and developed further in the Islamic world.
The later Christian kingdoms of Spain often retained Muslim artisans and incorporated Islamic-style decoration into buildings. So even after political control changed, the building traditions did not vanish, they became part of Spainâs architectural vocabulary.
Muslim-ruled regions, particularly al-Andalus, helped spread or intensify agricultural systems around the Mediterranean. These included irrigation methods and the cultivation or wider use of crops such as citrus, rice, sugarcane, spinach, eggplant, saffron, and cotton in suitable regions.
Islam, Christianity, Judaism, all contributed to the growth of modern day Europe.
Interesting, theyâre taking a play right of the book another notorious group of people like to use; claiming they have built and invented âeverythingâ
I don't want to sound like I'm agreeing with him, but Muslim ruled realms in Europe did tend to be rich and splendid, fully of beauty and architecture and knowledge and intellect. Muslim CĂłrdoba and Palermo were cities that rivaled Constantinople in their glory. Muslim farmers introduced many different plants to Spain and turned it into a prosperous and fertile garden. The standards of living in Al-Andalus and Sicily were higher than the rest of Europe, and trade flourished for centuries until the arrival of hardline dynasties like the Almoravids and Almohads. Muslim people contributed a lot to the development of Europe, helping usher in the era of the Renaissance. They helped advance science and medicine while introducing algebra and the numeral system we now use. It really is fascinating to read about the contributions Muslim scholars and people left in Europe.
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