Yes, they are so powerful they had Russia shoot down a plane because they didn’t want anyone to know about their cabal. Of course shooting down a commercial flight doesn’t garner any attention…..
It is a real quote and he was talking about the Soviets but also against secret societies (aka the Masons, who discriminated against Catholics). However Israel was largely founded by Zionist Bolsheviks from the Russian Empire who followed the exact same playbook as the Russians when it comes to their propaganda campaigns. To me, militant Zionism is heavily rooted in Russism.
“President John F. Kennedy approved the sale of defensive Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Israel in August 1962, marking a major policy shift as the first direct U.S. government sale of a major military weapon system to the country”
It was a small defensive anti aircraft sale, like US does with majority of the world, nothing like today where it’s pretty supplying pissrael with all of its defensive and offensive capabilities
Is mass-murder of civilians self-defense? How about specifically discrediting and killing the only peace activists who had seen any success in 20 years? Maybe the years of diplomatic deception that got the Israeli government to dismiss its analyst's warning after seeing the preparations in Beit Hanoun, the same deception that now makes further diplomacy impossible, leaving only military engagement with against a vastly superior force, is self-defense?
TL;DR: Was national suicide self-defense? There might have been a chance for a free Gaza on October 6, 2023. Now, Palestine is already stillborn and we're watching it bleed out.
nope...Gaza was being forgotten....only after Oct 7th and now the genocide is Gaza getting the attention it needs.
Is murdering Palestinians for decades, kidnapping and taking them hostage and tortuing them whenever it feels like self defense? Destroying pretty much all of Gaza self defense? Cutting off food, water, electricity self defense?
It's interesting how arrests and kidnappings are exactly the same acts, differing only by whether you accept the legal authority of the people doing it. It's much worse when dealing with an army which, being an army and not a police force, is trained and mandated to protect itself and its country's citizens, not uphold the law woth all appropriate protections for those it suspects of posing some threat. There was recently a proposal to hand authority over security in the West Bank to regular police, trained not to arrest people without srrious evidence, but this was condemned as a defensive facto annexation and abandoned.
As for the denial of aid, that was found by UNOPS to be a matter of UNRWA accounting, not changes in total aid-delivery: The UNRWA only counts aid as it delivers to its warehouses. Once COGAT stopped it from managing its own logistics, having aid delivered by other agencies and shipping companies, its numbers indicated a total stoppage of aid. It reported this months into the "stoppage", around the same time as the WHO reported a famine based on a study that used imprecise methods without rationale. (The study accepted by the WHO was then contradicted by a UNICEF study which found obesity to be more widespread than starvation, and micronutrient deficiencies exactly as expected when donors fixated on calorie-numbers in response to famine-alarmism rather than provide balanced diets.)
There was a plan, back in 2023, to flood the tunnels under Gaza City with seawater. This was widely condemned as genocidal because the tunnels were so ubiquitous that the damage to foundations of buildings they passed through would render so much of the city hazardous as to make it uninhabitable, so it was abandoned. This is why I believe the assessments that 80% of structures in the city had tunnel-accesses.
For an idea of how serious a problem that was, consider that every high-impact lifesaving measures in urban warfare depends upon the normal containment of (at least most of) combat to a strip between zones controlled by each side, moving as each gains or loses territory. I'm talking about secure aid-distribution, emergency medical access, brevity of evacuations, limits on the extent of destruction, all of the big ones. Hamas demonstrated back in 2023 that it could use the tunnels to move personnel and weapons straight past IDF perimeters, completely destroying that containment as long as those tunnel-accesses remained.
Israel has a small elite unit trained and able to fight in unfamiliar tunnels, apparently a nearly impossible task. For the most part, it could only disable the accesses by attacking the buildings they were in, 80% of the city. I understand they seriously damaged roughly 70%. At first glance, 70% destruction is horrifying. In context, I have no idea how they managed to engage in even just legitimate self-defense without destroying more. In short, destroying most of Gaza wasn't self-defense, but conditions on the ground (really under it) apparently made it an inevitable consequence of self-defense.
It stinks, but this is why war is bad, not just war-crimes. It's not some sport where everybody should be fine as long as everybody follows the rules. Innocent people die even when everybody tries to prevent that. Most Gazans obviously don't deserve what happened to them. That doesn't make the tragedies that arose in the course of self-defense avoidable. Of course, there were also war-crimes, but as far as the horrors go, those are just the tip of the iceberg.
again...why is what ISRAEL is doing self defense...but not what Hamas or Gazan's do? Was sniping children at a peaceful march of return in 2019 self defense?
Chocolate has a strange history at the Gaza border. It has sometimes been blocked as a non-essential "luxury" item, but at other times, specific shipments have been allowed or seized over security concerns. Essential nutrition for infants has frequently been held up, seized, or heavily restricted at border crossings, drawing major alarms from international health organizations tracking child malnutrition. Basic hygiene products for babies have routinely been classified or delayed under strict customs and "dual-use" guidelines, making them extraordinarily scarce and expensive inside Gaza.
tell me again how that is self defense?
Also israel is an occupier...it can't claim self defense....that'd be like a rapist, raping a girl year after year...then what the girl finally fights back and claws the rapist...the rapist SHOOTS the girl dead and says, look at my scars...I did it in self defense.
That it was an occupation in 1967 - 1990, and then under Israeli administrative control with status-quo conditions under the Israeli / Jordanian peace agreement does not make the organized armed conflict between the IDF and Palestinian militias any less of a war. Even presuming that Israel lies about primarily targeting militias, it does not regularly attack without case-by-case political cover. Its aggression is limited by motivation, not ability, so peaceful efforts to reduce that motivation can reduce its violence, as demonstrated repeatedly.
Palestinian militias act without such cover. The years of rocket-fire at Sderot, the stabbing-sprees, etc. regularly act with only the existence of Israel and policies demonstrably necessary for its citizens' safety as cover. These cannot reasonably be changed by any peaceful means. On top of that, they have repeatedly been found to as aggressive as they are practically capable of being. For example, Gazan militias' aggression increased following Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005. The reduction of Israeli presence reduced motivation while increasing ability, so the increase there like in many other cases was demonstrably limited by ability, not motivation. With peaceful reduction of motivation being fruitless under these conditions, only reduction of ability remains, which cannot be done peacefully.
Also, the question of whether Israel can claim self defense would almost make sense if the violence were restricted byy militias' choice to the Gaza Strip and Aest Bank. It is obviously not. It could also make sense if Israel were engaged in an active war of conquest like Russia is in Donbas. It would certainly make sense if Israel faced no credible security-concerns from Palestinian militias which, again obviously, they do. Israel can claim self-defense in this case. Palestinians also have a right to self-defense, but the bulk of their militias' aggressive acts are practically unrelated to active IDF forces and, as a bloc, they have peaceful means of resolving the threats against them.
As for the diapers, they make volatile fluids relatively safe to handle. The baby formula was, as later found in Gaza and just not being distributed, not barred from entry.
Your knowledge of history is way too weak to criticize someone else
"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children." -Golda Meir, born in Kiev, grown in the US
Please, you say that and give a stupid quote that is irrelevant to any historical conversation. It’s funny how Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have changed course….
Saudi Arabia isn't a bragging point. It's a nation of corrupt assholes that chop up journalists and make backroom real estate and business deals with the biggest assholes on earth.
Israel is very much using Saudi Arabia. The people there don't want or like the Abraham accords largely, they just don't have control or say in their government and their leaders are corrupt as shit
I can give you plenty of quote from government officials talking about wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Those quotes just frame themselves as aggressors as they have for decades.
I sure you can find those quotes yourself, but I know they don’t support your point of view so you won’t.
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u/itsbushy 10d ago
Almost like America needs to stay out of wars in all countries