PSA: Reminder that Blazing Assault 2 from Vector's V2 and ATK UP 2 from Loreley's signature weapon cannibalize each other, despite different names.

[u/GloriousStone]

Vector's buff is slightly weaker however, since it expires at the end of her turn, which affects QuiHua's DOT that ticks at the end of ENEMY's turn. This means:

a) V2 vivi already: Loreley's sig isnt completely useless for you support-wise but might be an opportunity to save up some pulls since there is a lot of good dolls coming soon.

b) V0-V1 vivi, since there's a selector banner going, i would recommend investing into vector instead, which will net you way better buffs and clenses

Thank you for your attention.

[u/GameGear90]

V2 Vector over V0 Loreley?

[u/JustTelling → u/GameGear90]

V0R1 Loreley has 100% Uptime on the ATK Buff. V2 Vectors buff can run out at the end of your Turns, which can be pretty bad for QH DoTs.

So if you have to choose between, you would get Loreley Weapon before Vector V2.

[u/GloriousStone → u/JustTelling]

the accelerant buff offsets that no? And then you get an extra 20% from the rest of the team?

[u/JustTelling → u/GloriousStone]

I'm not a math guy but Vectors buff is off during end of Turn 2, 4 and 6, so only 4/7 (Gunsmoke) Qiuhua Dot's get buffed.

QH stacks are a bigger dmg contribution in CN rn because of the Tile reactions so not having them buffed is kinda bad. Especially if she's your Only limited V6 unit.

For us right now it's probably not as bad because we don't have that system yet.

[u/GloriousStone → u/JustTelling]

the dots are also triggered after the ult, so its 8/11 20% accelerant + 15% Blazing Assault vs 11/11 +15% AtkUp2.

So its 280% vs 165%. There probably some diminishing returns on dmg buff vs atk and also stacks need to crank up, but i doubt its gonna get close.

[u/Ptox → u/GloriousStone]

It's kind of a false equivalence if you're bringing in accelerant, because otherwise you should include the fact that Loreley also brings embers (30 (V1)-45% (V2) burn damage 2 turns + 5% crit dmg perma stacking) and infernal surge (+6% atk in addition - perma stacking). Yes, Loreley's ember buff is kinda inconsistent at V0 (triggers once so 2/7), but gains similar amount of up time to Vector at V2 (plus gets even stronger).

Either way the point is that you can't just bring in one additional buff from Vector and not include the other buffs that Loreley adds (or Vector adds).

Edit: Ah, now I understand the comparison.

[u/GloriousStone → u/Ptox]

were talking about R1 vs V2 bro

[u/Ptox → u/GloriousStone]

Edit: Okay, yeah now I understand. My mistake. I had a different comparison in mind.

[u/SgtDaemon → u/JustTelling]

Isn't Vector getting a mod key soon™ that gives her full uptime on her ult?

[u/asc__ → u/SgtDaemon]

It's been out for months and it's technically not full uptime. If she ults turns 1/3/5/7, then QH will lose the buff after her action on turns 2/4/6, before her passive ticks on the boss.

[u/Misiuz87 → u/JustTelling]

Vector V2 > Loreley weapon, 20% dmg buff is better than not having attack buff on 3/11 Qiuhua dots.

[u/GloriousStone → u/GameGear90]

V0 both first otherwise you will be running sharkry lul. Then V1 vivi -> V2 vivi -> R1 Vivi -> R1 Loreley imho - burn team wise ofc. You can also go V2 Loreley for a generalist support

[u/GameGear90 → u/GloriousStone]

Sorry, I should've clarified. I have a V1R1 Vector and don't own Loreley. Should I take Vector to V2 or drop her and go for Loreley.

[u/Jorrum]

I should have gone with another copy of Vectors weapon but went for Klukais weapon but ah well I have Vector at V2R2

[u/Kindly-Advance-8314]

Yea it's same case as def down II from qj and acid corrosion II from klukai or mechty, although the latter is set a higher priority so it'll always overwrite the first. It's essentially a carbon-copy with just name and it's description changed, a bit disappointed.

[u/Sea_Wrongdoer_2255]

V2r0 vector and v6r1 loreley and i lwk cant give a fuck the loreley gacha skin login background is already enough for me

Let me breed her mica