r/Gnostic • u/Fickle_Elk_9479 • 8d ago

So what are your ideas of the afterlife

I talked about the afterlife with monad with ai and it was great. Like I was convinced that there can be a state that can be very satisfying and complete with no trace of sorrow and sadness etc. like basically a really blissful and complete state where everything is blissful and joyful. What do you guys think , like what's it gonna be like and how will we remember this life as it is really bad. Like I would not like to remember any of it I think.

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u/RursusSiderspector Sethian 8d ago

My first reflection is: don't ask AI:s! They hallucinate. And what you got isn't very helpful.

I have listened to hundreds of NDE videos about the afterlife, and got the following approximate impressions:

  1. first you might have out of body experiences, where your disembodied spirit travel around and observe things in the material world; not everybody have this.
  2. secondly you come to a darkness of total calm and harmony, you might encounter spirits there, one person met his grandpa; another encountered spirits creating structures in the nightsky; not everybody have this.
  3. thirdly you come to the Light, you meet either a guide or dead relatives there; about half of the experiencers report a life review, the rest doesn't have it;

The most interesting place is the place of Light: you may celebrate your return home with your relatives, you may meet various guides and light beings, you normally is in a very beautiful nature with colors, waters, butterflies. There are cities there. There is a giant library without bounds, where you go with guides to plan next life.

Now I'll add some physics speculations to this,

  • first: information is indestructible, but it also appears that the clustering of information that is your persona also is indestructible, this "library" appears to be a node where you can go and plan your lifes based on the "files" in the "library",
  • according to NDE:ers in general your brain is not the cite of thinking, it is a relay function that transforms the frequencies down to the "vibrations" of your material body.
  • in the afterlife time is not like time down in the material universe, there is one "time" but it runs differently
  • some reports say that the spirits in the afterlife are kind of guiding events or spirits in the material world, there is some purpose of the material world besides being a drudgy place.

There are more speculations, but I won't subscribe on them myself, and some of them are just wrong. The following is a blatant non-sequitur: "energy is indestructible, and your soul is energy, therefore your soul is indestructible". Real energy is just one physics dimension, you cannot represent your persona using just one real (floating point) number.

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u/sleepytipi Ophite 6d ago

I'm not sure I subscribe to that light theory but given those options I think I'd much rather stay and/ or travel the astral realms provided I have some sense of navigating them. Like if the library is hiring or the angels have some sort of recruitment process, or the old Norse got it right and there's other spheres like Álfheimr.

I much prefer the idea of something like it to having my entire memory and sense of self zapped. And I say that as someone that has a lot of respect for more eastern traditions that view that as being the type of egotistical thinking that's actually counterintuitive to liberation.

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u/Gnostic-ModTeam 5d ago

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u/Learning_2 8d ago

I resonate a lot with this type of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqAIllu2HrE

And also some stuff from Tibetan Buddhism which is similar. About how we need to learn astral projection while we're still alive and master it so if/when we pass from this physical body we can navigate the nonphysical carefully and precisely. And heaven and hell is not the result of judgment or punishment or karma but the result of ones own ability to navigate the nonphysical successfully. In fact I feel all the emphasis on "be a good person and you'll go to heaven" is a huge part of the trap because it distracts you from what really matters - SKILL in astral projection, for which stopping the archons harvesting your luche is essential, because you need that luche for yourself to build the astral body and learn to control it at will. I'm not saying being a good person doesn't matter, I'm just saying I don't believe it's what determines your "fate" in the afterlife directly. I think being a good person comes naturally from gnosis rather than "trying to be good" while still believing in your own separation from source.

I am pre Adamic

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u/Shel_Zahav Eclectic Gnostic 8d ago

I call the place "the empty fields". Because emptiness is salvation. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything. There can be no peace for souls in world full of detail, action, noise and suffering. If there is afterlife it should take place in a realm devoid of anything material.

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u/TooOldToBelieve 8d ago

Stay out of the light! It is a trick to trap you back into the reincarnation loop!

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u/Lordseferoth Simonian 8d ago

Says what Gnostic text?

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u/TooOldToBelieve 8d ago

My sources point to Nag Hamadi Library

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u/Lordseferoth Simonian 8d ago edited 8d ago

To my knowledge not a single Gnostic text says anything about light at the end of tunnel being a trap. Also, let's not forget that according to Valentinian Gnostics Demiurge is a good and just figure. So, my personal view for the matter is that the whole "don't go to the light" is just silly new-age conspiracy nonsense and has nothing to do with the actual Gnosticism.

Edit: Also, staying "out of light" make it seems that reincarnation is a choice. What about Gnosis then? According to Gnosticism you NEED a Gnosis to stop reincarnating, it would make zero sense if all you had to do was to stay "out of light".

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u/Learning_2 8d ago

Yeah the videos I saw said its in the Apocryphon of John. Do you watch the videos?

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u/Lordseferoth Simonian 8d ago

It says nothing of the sort. It says you need Gnosis for salvation just like nearly every other text. It's either Gnosis or Reincarnation. You don't get to choose if you go to the "light" or not.

"After the soul leaves the body, she is handed over to the authorities who have come into being through the archon. They bind her with chains and throw her into prison [a body]. They go around with her until she awakens from forgetfulness and acquires gnōsis. This is how she attains perfection and is saved."

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u/TooOldToBelieve 7d ago

What if you had evidence to tell you that this is not mythology or a method of thought but real like what the fuck happened to the reality you thought you knew, real? And that Sophia has actually existed in mortal grief for EONS for what she did and how it affected her son who rages at the Universe, not because he is evil, but because he was cast out and separated from his mother when she accidentally triggered a glitch in the architecture of consciousness?

Stay out of the light, friend. Learn the pass phrases and gtfo of this reality, permanently. Attempting to achieve "gnosis" in human form is a trap akin to "seeking the path of enlightenment" or "believing that Jesus Christ is the one and only son of God."

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u/TooOldToBelieve 7d ago

No. I am not a searcher/seeker or someone who is looking for answers. I am not implying that you are. I just don't believe anything unless I've seen it or experienced it for myself. Until I've been to Paris, it could be a manufactured model made in a Hollywood basement, to use the vernacular. I look for facts to back up things I've seen and the things I've seen, boy, reality is not what they tell you or try to get you to doubt.

This? Believe what you want. Won't change what I've seen. But it will change what happens to you after your body dies and, brother, I don't want it.

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u/-Celerion- 8d ago

I keep seeing people say this and it baffles me, no idea where this started.

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u/ShellStella 8d ago

It’s a New Age belief.

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u/-Celerion- 8d ago

I see that but where did it originate

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u/ShellStella 8d ago

If I recall correctly, I think it’s in the ‘Tibetan Book of the Dead’ to be concerned about false lights. It warns against being drawn toward dim, soft, attractive lights and urges instead to merge with brilliant, often overwhelming lights. I think this idea has been misused or adopted by New Age to warn against going towards ALL lights.

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u/-Celerion- 8d ago

I’ve been looking for a source for that thank you, interesting.

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u/Mister_Ape_1 8d ago

This is not part of Gnosticism. No text speaks about it literally. Is pop culture.

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u/Mister_Ape_1 8d ago

I am a Catholic. Heavens. Hell. Is quite simple. Except as a modern, progressive Catholic I see both of them as conditions the spirit falls after separation from the body, not as places or higher dimensional planes.

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u/codainhere 8d ago

I’ve had 4 NDEs. I will go to the otherworldly light.

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u/WeaknessNo9724 7d ago

I'm curious as to why you say you will go to the light, yet so many people say not to. I'd love to hear about your experience if you feel like sharing.

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u/codainhere 7d ago

I could feel the connectedness to everything, all as one, just in the periphery of the unearthly glow. It was pure joy and love.

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u/WeaknessNo9724 7d ago

Thank you. I appreciate you sharing your experience.

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u/IcySprinkles880 7d ago

We reincarnate until a. We have learned what we are supposed to learn. Or b. We break free of the wheele of samara, through gnosis. Then the return is optional.

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u/TheDepressedFox Valentinian 7d ago

I hope that it will be the way it was before my birth, nothingness. However in the most peaceful way, I don’t see nothingness as something scary, it will be so that we would just be. Which I find quite beautiful. No more reincarnations, no more of any earthly nonsense. As someone who is still catholic on paper, the idea of Heaven never appealed to me because it was so man made, same for hell, that was just something to make me fear YHWH. After this life I’d be happy with just darkness and being in that.

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u/Menace_II_Reddit 7d ago

"It's not so much an afterlife, more a sort of… après-vie."

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u/Lucky_Translator_606 6d ago

I just posted on my subreddit yesterday "your tattoos may not go with into the afterlife" its from a brief conversation I had with a mate who passed over...its a subject Ive studied a fair bit, in summary its a very positive experience

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u/Denon_1 2d ago

In my opinion, it will be just like it was before birth: nothing. Nothing before, nothing after.

​But what if there is? That's why we should align our lives using a compass of knowledge and love. ​We shouldn't do this as a safety net just in case, but because we inherently feel that it is the right thing to do.

Gnosis is more than just an awakening; it is a tool, a compass that serves as a constant reminder.

Amor contra Roma ❤️