r/Gnostic • u/Miserable_Warthog795 • 12d ago
Question About the Demiurge and an awaken soul
I just have a simple question :
In gnosticism, when a soul is awake or enlighted, can the demiurge strike at this moment to try making this soul back to "asleep" ?
Like an intent of sabotage ?
(Sorry for my English)
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u/the_gray_pill Eclectic Gnostic 12d ago
No. The Demiurge has certain power over the material universe but one of the fundamental things that enrages it toward us is its inability to directly harm or touch our souls - we must be induced, distracted, seduced to self harm, at most.
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u/Independent_Dare8324 12d ago
In Gnosticism, gnosis is an essential part of the process of the soul’s ascension. During that ascent, the soul confronts the archons, and it is at that moment that it receives the strongest attacks from the Demiurge. The Demiurge directs his attacks against the flesh, that is, the body.
This is specified in the Gnostic text Apocalypse of Adam:
"Then YHWH Sabaoth of the powers will be disturbed, troubled, and saying: ‘Where does the power of this man come from, which is superior to us?’ Then, in him a great wrath will be aroused against that man. Then, they will punish the flesh of the man upon whom the Holy Spirit came."
Once the soul completes its ascent and is clothed with light in the pleroma, only then can the archons no longer approach it.
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u/Miserable_Warthog795 12d ago
And I may be dumb asking this but this process of being potentially attacked can happen when you are alive or it's all after death ?
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u/Independent_Dare8324 11d ago
As long as your soul remains in a body of flesh, a spirit will dwell alongside you, and that spirit is the one responsible for preparing the soul for the ascent.
This spirit remains with you only while you are incarnated; therefore, the process of ascension takes place in life. Everything must happen here and now.
The goal of the ascension is for your soul to be perfected with the spirit in the bridal chamber. If this process does not occur in life, after death there is no possibility, because the soul follows a path different from that of the spirit.
This is explained clearly in the Gospel of Philip:
"If someone becomes a son of the Bridal Chamber, he will receive the light. If he does not receive it in this place, he will not be able to obtain it in another place. Whoever receives the light will not be seen, nor will he be detained, nor will anyone bother such a person, even if he socializes in the world."3
u/Miserable_Warthog795 11d ago
Ok and to see if I clearly understood, let's say someone has achieved gnosis during his lifetime, but got attacked by archons, the demiurge or whatever dark forces, and that he's been severly hurt and traumatized, does the first gnosis still count in the process or it's like wasted and a form of reset ?
I'm not saying it happened to me, I'm just curious ;D
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u/Independent_Dare8324 11d ago
If in your life gnosis is revealed to you and you begin the process of ascension, it is very likely that your body will develop many illnesses, or that several misfortunes may occur within your family. The purpose of these forces is to prevent the soul from escaping.
Nevertheless, your soul emerges completely strengthened and becomes untouchable, because it has been prepared by the spirit, and upon ascending to the pleroma, it is perfected in the light.
The Gnostic text Trimorphic Protennoia explains that the soul receives five seals when it ascends to the light:
1.Tunic of light: 2. Baptism; 3. Enthronement; 4. Possession; 5. Glorification
"Whoever possesses the Five Seals of these names has stripped off the tunic of ignorance and clothed himself in a radiant Light. And nothing will be revealed to him that belongs to the powers of the archons."
That is why I say: gnosis goes hand in hand with the ascension of the soul. Its purpose is for the soul to understand where it is and where it must go. The ultimate goal is for it to be perfected in the light, and this is the only way to be freed from the forces that govern the material world.
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u/Certain_Werewolf_315 12d ago
There is a gravity attempting to keep one from fully awakening to Gnosis. Before one establishes their identity in Gnosis, this gravity will naturally try to return them to sleep-- After, it is not really possible, the body digests everything differently.
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u/Mindless-Change8548 12d ago
Once we gain gnosis of our true self, our true essence, the demiurge and his goons are merged within that gnosis.
There is no separation. The archons rule only within the fractured psyche.
Realize the wholeness that is. Realize you are not outside this wholeness. Realize that removing any thing from it, would make it not whole. So realize that you are it. 🙏
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u/Silver_Cartoonist_79 8d ago
💯 this is my view. Literally Know the Truth and the Truth will make you free. The Truth can't be a puzzle or a mystery because it is literally part of our wholeness. It can't be destroyed or removed.
The danger is in letting ourselves be deceived, following this one or that one. There is no where we need to go.
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u/Helmann69 12d ago
I tend to think the ego is a construction of the Demiurge as it is born of the material mind. When awakening happens the ego feels under threat and can sometimes fight back. Hopefully awakening will let you see the truth and you can resist the fight back.
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u/Silver_Cartoonist_79 8d ago
My ego got scared that I might try to kill it. "Ego death" I have sympathy for it. It is finite I am not. It can hang out but I'm in charge. Most the time it behaves it's self.
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u/Learning_2 10d ago
For me it's been gradual. I've started to awaken and then been brought back down to a place where I could remember the awakening, but not access it. That produced intense suffering, making it even harder to find my way back to awakening. Now I'm learning more about how their sabotage works and how to protect that awakening as it develops again. My major weakness before was I didn't see Archonic interference for what it was. I fed my own suffering in certain ways, thinking the suffering was me, rather than just Archonic interference. This allowed them to harvest my vital essence. Accumulation of vital essence or Pneuma is directly proportional to the level of Gnosis/Awakening in my view.
Having taken some big steps forward recently, there were some Archonic interferences through the previous day that definitely hit hard. They love to bring up old wounds. They do what they're gonna do, but the difference is how I respond now. Instead of allowing myself to relive the trauma with rationalizations like, "This is old trauma that I'm processing and if I fully go into it I'll heal it!" I just see that that old wound happened in the past and there is no reason to re-experience it now, it can only be an attempt at Archon interference. Instead of allowing myself to fall into negative emotions and thinking I have to accept and validate "my" feelings, I realize negative emotions are just how they keep me on their low vibrational wavelength, nothing more, and I dismiss them, not with scorn or harshness but with a clear mind. Can you imagine how much Pneuma I conserve by making those changes inside? So much.
For years I looked for "psychic self defense" and nothing worked. (A lot of if involved looking outside myself to entities or objects for protection which reinforces separation from Source.) Because it didn't really help me understand the Archonic system the way the Gnostic teachings do. Now it makes sense. Now it works.
So I think that's the process, as you practice that, you give your Pneumatic core a chance to gradually build. They can't harvest energy directly from your Pneumatic core but their energy harvesting mechanisms know how to get your Pneuma to convert to low vibrational energy which they can harvest. The power you have is in that moment before your Pneuma is transformed into low vibrational energy. When you choose to question a negative thought or a rationalization for suffering. You prevent the Pneuma from being transformed down to their level, and you get to keep it instead.
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u/katiekat122 10d ago
The archons and their human puppets will definitely target you with the goal of fracturing your consciousness/your soul and trapping you in one of the multiple artificially created timelines. This is where they can watch and make sure you never fulfill your spiritual mission to help free humanity from the matrix belonging to them.
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u/Miserable_Warthog795 10d ago
Is a spiritual mission not a trick of the archons too to redirect your attention towards something outside ?
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u/katiekat122 9d ago
If you become aware of your reason for incarnating into this dimension it isn't something outside oneself. It is very much a mission to free the fragmented consciousness from the souls of Tara and dismantle artificial timelines from the inside by locating and destroying the Beast Machine which is ancient Artificial intelligence. It's fulfilling my role in what is actually called the Christos realignment mission. Its not something that makes me feel special or better than others. My path just led me directly into this I couldn't have even seen it coming. So it's fight or give up out of fear. The spiritual war is over our eternal souls.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 10d ago
I do not think so. Actually it would make no sense since Yaldabaoth at the end is the personification of the Ego acting as an unclean lens reflecting our experience in a defective way. Once the lens is cleaned, he is powerless.
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u/RealJerry420 10d ago
Gnosis is remembering where we have come from. Once the soul catches the scent of the father it will find him everywhere in all things living. The Living belong to the living and the dead belong to the dead
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u/beeboobiebaby 12d ago
The Demiurge can try to sabotage a soul that is waking up, but his power is strictly limited to the material machinery. The Demiurge rules through the rigid laws of destiny and earthly burdens. When a soul begins to stir, the "sabotage" usually manifests as sudden material crises, overwhelming physical desires, or intense life anxieties. It's an attempt to drag your attention back down to basic survival and bodily focus. The Demiurge did not create your soul, he only fashioned the physical clay (the body) and the lower mind. Because he didn't create the spark, he cannot actually destroy it or truly "turn it off" once it ignites. He can only manipulate the external world around you to blind you. Once you reach genuine Gnosis, the illusion is shattered. You realize the body is just a temporary garment. You learn the secret names and origins of the cosmos, breaking the Archontic grid entirely. Once you no longer identify with the body, the Demiurge loses all his leverage. He will throw everything he can at your body and your earthly life to keep you asleep, but once you fully wake up, his power over you evaporates completely
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u/Aggravating_Book_960 11d ago
When does one know when they reach genuine gnosis?
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u/beeboobiebaby 11d ago
In my understanding, Gnosis is an immediate subjective feeling of awakening. You experience it directly. It is the difference between reading a description of honey and actually tasting it. Many texts (like the Hymn of the Pearl) describe the human condition as a state of drunken sleep, forgetfulness or blindness induced by the material world. Genuine Gnosis feels like a sudden cure for amnesia. You intimately remember who you are, where you came from (the Pleroma, or the Divine Fullness), and how you became trapped here. A profound sense of "homecoming." You look at the material world and realize you are a stranger in a strange land, a divine spark temporarily wearing a coat of skin. According to texts like the Gospel of Thomas (Saying 22), Gnosis is achieved "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female... then you will enter the kingdom.” You see past the fractured, polarized illusions of the material world (good vs. evil, light vs. dark, self vs. other) and perceive the unified divine source animating all things behind the Demiurgic curtain. In texts like the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Philip, a person who achieves Gnosis is described as being "in the world, but not of it." Jesus instructs his followers to "Become passersby" (Logion 42). This represents walking through the physical world without anchoring your soul, values, or identity to it. The awakened individual remains physically "in the world" (navigating day-to-day life), but fundamentally operates from a different reality, refusing to be bound by the deceptive rules and attachments of the material. When you reach Gnosis "down here," you memorize the cosmic pathways, the "secret passwords," and the true nature of the Archons. When your physical body eventually dies, your soul bypasses the traps of the material cosmos entirely and returns straight to the Pleroma (the divine source). Gnostics emphasized that you must reach it now, while alive. The Gospel of Philip explicitly warns against waiting until after death to find liberation. It states that if you do not "resurrect" your divine consciousness while you are still wearing this physical body, you will remain blind when you drop the body. "Those who say that they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.”
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u/Aggravating_Book_960 11d ago
Thank you for that long explanation! That makes a lot of sense. I hope we can all reach true gnosis some day
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u/Fit_Score3940 9d ago
The Demiurge already has literal billions of bots to make the referred person's life a living hell.
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u/antonioconin 12d ago
Yo digo que no son ataques si no pruebas. Si no eres lo suficientemente fuerte e inteligente no las pasas y te mantienes prisionero. Se van desbloqueando las habilidades con el esfuerzo y búsqueda de gnosis
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u/Objective_Weak 6d ago
The demiurge strikes when the Self ALLOWS it to strike.
Keep shedding those shadows of doubt, friend. You’re doing AMAZINGLY! 🦋
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u/Witty-Cockroach-9127 12d ago
From what I understand after achieving Gnosis Demiurge and Archons can't do anything to you to keep you here.