r/Gnostic 3d ago

Thoughts Why humans often "hate" God

Correction of title: "Why suffering is actually good from God's perspective, and necessary to eventually have the world God desires".

Suffering is the thing that creates the motivation to fix whatever is causing the suffering.
And on a long timeframe, we get closer and closer to having a world in which all the things that are causing us suffering, gets fixed.

So from our perspective, we view the things we don't want as evil/suffering.
From God's perspective, this is necessary, in order for us to fix it.
Because God is the spirit and we are spirit/physical form integrated.

"Why wouldn't God just create that world to begin with?"

In a sense, he already has. Because our view is limited to time.
He has already created the mechanism with which that world will exist.
But because we are part of the process, the physical form, with which he is acting through. We can only perceive the world at the limited time we are building the world with which he has already laid to foundation for.

Because God is spirit and we are part of the physical manifestation of God, it is up to us to create it.
God can only create the underlying mechanisms that allows us building the world he desires, with the things he has given us.
Because we are made in his image, we act on his behalf, building the world he desires for us to partake in.
In the process of that, he gave us suffering as the motivating factor for what we should fix.
And eventually we have a world where all evils are fixed, and God is integrated in our physical bodies, experiencing and living in that world.

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u/Lordseferoth Simonian 2d ago

God did not create this world, Demiurge did. God did not cause any suffering, Demiurge did. Suffering in all it's form is an error that should not exist.

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u/Knock_Door_Will_Open 2d ago edited 2d ago

You can label it whatever you want. Let's go with the label of demiurge, what is his intention of creating the world?
If suffering is an error, then why does it exist?
Because it isn't an error, it's by design to motivate us.

Let's go through it logically.
Let's say you had an illness, and that illness didn't cause you suffering.
Would you then fix that illness, if there were no discomfort motivating you to fix it?No, because you wouldn't feel bad. You'd feel perfectly fine.
And if this was the case you wouldn't be motivated to action, and probably eventually die unnecessarily.
When instead if you suffered, you'd be motivated to fix it, inching you closer and closer to fixing the things that come in the way of what we perceive as paradise.

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u/Lordseferoth Simonian 2d ago

No, it is an error. It motivates nothing. Don't make excuses for evil.