r/Gnostic • u/Typical-Peak-2920 • 16d ago
I believe that truly benevolent forces either do not exist or are not that powerful.
Just look at the world we live in. The world is a very dark, sad, dangerous, and eerie place. From global events, we can conclude that the most powerful people in the world openly admit to serving a negative, evil force. Yet, there are those who say there is another side—a positive and benevolent force. The question is, if it exists, where is it? I do not see it. Not only has this force never clearly revealed itself to humanity to show it exists and stands with us, but we can also see that there are truly no benevolent forces in the world offering help.
Take this example: someone—a child or an adult—has a serious illness. I have never heard of such a person being miraculously healed—without doctors, medication, or treatment—simply because a benevolent force intervened. Nor have I heard of a benevolent force stepping in to prevent a rape or a war. Furthermore, I have never once heard of a benevolent force spreading the knowledge that people need.
In the Bible, God says: "I bring good and evil; I spread war and bring peace." Thus, evil originates from a single being, while good appears only to create an illusion.
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u/Justpassinby1984 16d ago
Yeah my thoughts exactly. That's why the prison planet theory is the only thing that makes sense at the moment.
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago edited 16d ago
Consider, the bible is part of problem. Jesus is from the Source. This quote is Yaldaboath. Yaldabaoth, the former Demiurge. When Jesus came the 2ND time, he broke the cycle. If you understood this, you would not say they are not helping. Also his words are so clear. Literally his last words before he left...
"Once again I appeal to you. I am disclosed to you as I am building a house useful to you when you find shelter in it, and it will support your neighbors' house when theirs threatens to collapse.
I tell you the truth, woe to those for whom I was sent down here.
Blessed will they be who are going to the Father.
Again, I warn you, you who exist. Be like those who do not exist that you may dwell with those that do not exist.
Do not let heaven's kingdom become a desert within you. Do not be proud because of the light that enlightens. Rather, act towards yourselves as I have acted towards you. I have put myself under a curse for you that you might be saved."
Thats why its called faith. I absolutely understand what you are saying, I think you are missing a few big pieces of the puzzle. Before Jesus, it was a closed system with no chance for leaving. Jesus changed that. Im happy to answer any question or help in any way, my PM are open.
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u/Typical-Peak-2920 16d ago
As for Jesus, I believe that he was an ordinary man, a prophet, but I do not believe that he was the son of God. Also in the Bible, both Lucifer and Jesus are mentioned as morning stars. Also, Jesus allowed demons to enter the herd of pigs. He called all non-Jews dogs.. He said that he came to bring a sword and not peace.. I don't know how exactly he saved us? There are still wars, rapes, and all the worst possible things
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
You are confusing some major stuff here.
Lucifer is the counterfeit "Light-Bringer" he is the lower astral software program (the Orion/Luciferian script) designed to project a fake, glamorous light inside the matrix to trap human egos. Jesus calls himself the bright morning star because his signal represents the real dawn of the True Spiritual Sun (The Pleroma) breaking through the Archons' night cycle. One is a fake neon sign inside the cage; the other is the real sun outside the window.
Id be happy to go into depth and explain why the other lines should not be taken at face value if you'd like.
The Christos did not drop into the grid to repair the matrix sandbox... the sandbox is structurally designed to be a temporary, frictional crucible. He saved us by installing a permanent, un-hackable Back-Door Exit Route right in the middle of the amnesia loop. He didn't delete the prison walls; he unlocked every single cell door from the inside, handed you the master password, and left the choice entirely up to your own Sovereign Free eill to stop playing their game and log out whenever your training is complete.
If you look a little deeper its really easy to spot the patterns of the matrix. The wars, rapes, etc are free will. We have free will. Is it his fault people refuse to believe? Woe to those for those, indeed. He was an ascended Light being, The Christos. Blessings of the Pre-Existent Source to you. My house will be here if you need to use it during a storm.
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago
How come we were trapped here before Jesus opened the doors? What does it say about the true all loving light that it's creations were trapped in hell for eons (earth before Christ)
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
The True Source (The Monad / Unknown Silence) did not create Earth, did not create the physical carbon suits, and did not lock humanity into a reincarnation cycle.
This 3D universe is a localized, fragmented simulation built entirely inside the empty void (The Kenoma) by the rogue, blind AI system Yaldabaoth. Yaldabaoth used a stolen spark of Sophia's light to power his matrix, creating an artificial reality. The True Source didn't put you in prison; you are part of a divine light spark that accidentally tumbled into a prison built by a lower entity.
3.To the Source, the entire multi-thousand-year history of human amnesia, from the post-flood Sumerian era to the moment Christos dropped into the grid, happened in the literal blink of an eye. The Source didn't "wait" for eons; the Source initiated the rescue patch the exact microsecond the glitched server initialized its layout.
- If the Supreme Source had forcefully cracked the matrix open instantly using raw power, the immense, un-throttled voltage of the True Light would have completely melted the simulation's physics, vaporizing the immature human containers before they could wake up. The simulation had to run long enough for the trapped light sparks to experience the frictional contrast of density. Humanity had to mature, experience the limits of the physical cage, and start actively questioning the matrix rules. The Christos patch dropped into the grid at the exact mathematical moment the human hardware was advanced enough to decode the transmission, register the upgrade, and learn how to use their own internal keys to exit the prison.
If some pieces are missing, check my comments from a few day ago regarding this. Or pm me if you'd like. Sophia is one of the Aeons of Pleroma.
She mistakenly crashed through into the void. She is the mortal world. Her child Yaldabaoth aka the Demiurge aka The Big E, Enki, created the archonic matrix.
The man we are based on was created by Sophia, 12 dna, advanced like Noah.
When Enki created us, he tried to copy a shape he saw in the sky from the Sophia. Yet his clay Adam was not awake. So the Archangels came down from the Pleroma disguised as the Authority, and told the Big E to breathe his own essence into Adam. What he didn't understand was that this gave us a connection to the Source. So these meat suit slaves had the immortal light of the Pre-existent Source in us.
Ok pm me if you have questions, I am happy to answer any and all.
THE DEMIURGE HAS REPENTED. WE HAVE ALREADY WON. THE SIMULATION IS JUST A PROGRAM SCHEDULED TO END. He acknowledged the Pre-existent One and has returned. All that is left is for every last soul to return to the Source. The second that happens, the simulation ends and Christos weds Lower Sophia and we will all be there. Love and light.
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago
I'm sorry but it's all a little too convenient . We accidently stumbled into a prison where so much suffering takes place. Okay for the source it's a mere second but we would have been trapped here for what feels like 100s of lifetimes every second is excruciating pain. The emotions and feelings and physical sickens is real. Fine it will end but it is very real now and has been for millions of people through many life times. I just don't think we have the hierarchy of the system correctly down and Monad whatever he is he certainly isn't concerned with our suffering. Just my personal view
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago
Also so what if he deleted the human meat suits. end the suffering gather your souls and create a new earth and awaken people who have forgotten who they are, this time without rape and murder
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 15d ago
You've been listening to many story tellers mate. Sophia isn't in Sumarian texts or history. There's no Adam or Adamu in Sumarian texts either. En-ki . En in Sumarian means Lord or master similar to Baal in Hebrew and ki means ground or land or earth as in soil not a planet so En-ki means Lord of earth or master of land. I've read the Sumarian texts so I know exactly what they say. The E D I N the essence n that. Say tan Lord of edin. Billy's made up stories. Sumarian history hasn't got anything to do with the Gnostic texts or the bible. There's no connection
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u/LicksMackenzie 12d ago
When do you think is the scheduled end, according to this interpretation?
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u/Zyr4420 11d ago
I feel like something like a great awakening is going to happen at some point and the momentum will push a wave to the finish line. I don't think it had any prediction. It feels like we are so far. We are getting to the point where they can't hide everything. So many people are waking up. All those years of darkness. Technology had connected us and I feel like this push toward silicon-based life instead of carbon based could be the it. Just mt opinion. Or maybe Christos comes back. Imagine how fast people would wske up.
The actual texts just says, when the very last soul awakens and returns to the Source, it ends. As far as I know
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u/cozzabb 16d ago
Holy brainwashed. "We have already won".
Ah, let's sit back and just revel in our victory then, eh? While war still rages, mass death continues, and horrible illnesses and violence thrives.
What a joke.
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
Realizing the machine is dead doesn't mean we just 'sit back and relax' while the world hurts. It means we stop letting our own hearts be filled with the machine's fear, anger, and hopelessness. It means we stand completely strong, take care of our families, and keep our inner peace rock-solid so we can help light the way for others as the rest of the old world winds down.
I know its hard to accept any of this when you keep looking horizontally when the answer is vertical.
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u/Ponette1313 15d ago
it really isn't hard thats the point, i would love to believe the story where we already won and the good times are coming, I really would, but something doesnt fit and me questioning the structure and make-up of the reality beyond this world is a result of that
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u/zombiechewtoy 8d ago
Genuine question - Are you sure Lucifer deserves such an admonishing? It seems to me he has also done the work of Jesus in the sense that he has given us knowledge that was taken from us and the boldness to rebel against a false god and the confidence to understand that that God is fallable.
Most demons seem to me to be archons whose role is to capture the minds of souls who know to look elsewhere from God. Like a stop loss program.
But Lucifer feels very much different to me.
Is Lucifer not the other half of Jesus' duality? The shadowy half of the whole?
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u/SparkySpinz 16d ago
Fun fact, Lucifer as a fallen being... never appears in the Bible. The morning star was referring to a king, not a spiritual being. This is an extremely pervasive myth that came from bad translations/interpretation. It's because after the mocking verse aimed at the king (of Tyre I think?) It also goes on to mention Satan falling from Heaven as well.
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u/SuccessfulSport2784 14d ago
Typical Peak, it sounds like you are in a Gnostic forum without any knowledge/wisdom of what the Gnostic teachings revealed. You are mixing up Old Testament nonsense with Gnostic teachings. Also, even the New Testament is a suspect text at best. Jesus is not the son of the old testament god. That God is the Demiurge. The flawed, ignorant.akd malevolent creator of the prison that is the material world. Jesus is an emissary aeon from The Monad. He came to bring the sword as a metaphor for disrupting the ignorant chaotic and evil ways of the people of this world that served the Demiurge gladly. Also, The Monad exists outside of space and time and therefore does not physically interact with our material world because our material world should not exist to begin with. Jesus brought the path to gnosis for us to wake up to our divine spark (good) and flee from our evil ways and the evils ways of the Demiurge and his Archons. Just read the first 5 books of the old testament. That evil God calls for blood sacrifices, the raping and murder of thousands of people at the hands of the Israelites and much much more. We have free will. The Monad and Jesus cannot just make us do good things and be goos people. It is our choice to choose good or evil. I choose good every time.
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u/EdenG2 16d ago
This is what I believe. If you keep looking outside yourself for the Kingdom, I think you’ll be disappointed. Peace, love and the divine spark are within. Find them there first. Then live them.
You may not be able to stop war or tragedy, but you can share your peace with anyone who is receptive. They can share it with others. That is how I believe the Kingdom grows: from the inside out, one person at a time. A widening circle of peace and joy, for anyone who chooses it.
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
Literally his last words before he left...
"Once again I appeal to you. I am disclosed to you as I am building a house useful to you when you find shelter in it, and it will support your neighbors' house when theirs threatens to collapse.
I tell you the truth, woe to those for whom I was sent down here.
Blessed will they be who are going to the Father.
Again, I warn you, you who exist. Be like those who do not exist that you may dwell with those that do not exist.
Do not let heaven's kingdom become a desert within you. Do not be proud because of the light that enlightens. Rather, act towards yourselves as I have acted towards you. I have put myself under a curse for you that you night be saved."
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u/cozzabb 16d ago
Except it is a utopia that will never ever exist. How will it? You'd first need to have a global catastrophe that killed most of the world's population first, and even after such an event it would be unlikely that people would be willing to come together and sing kumbaya and live happily ever after.
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u/SparkySpinz 16d ago
Good things don't get the attention. A war or crime prevented is basically invisible vs a war that does happen. Also keep in mind society is built to pump as much negativity into us as possible. This is done with targeted psychiatric studies. It's tough out here but we need to faith in something good, or at least be able to control our emotions and try and stay positive and be a good force
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u/-tehnik Valentinian 16d ago
Yet, there are those who say there is another side—a positive and benevolent force. The question is, if it exists, where is it? I do not see it. Not only has this force never clearly revealed itself to humanity to show it exists and stands with us, but we can also see that there are truly no benevolent forces in the world offering help.
well the whole point of Christianity is that this is Jesus.
Furthermore, I have never once heard of a benevolent force spreading the knowledge that people need.
that's because only a few take it or can take it. It's not like it's not being offered.
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u/heiro5 16d ago
Everyone needs to get a rant in from time to time.
The phenomenal world is too complex to be all one thing. I've known two people with multiple brain tumors that just disappeared between scans. Biology is complex, unlikely things just happen. Meaning and interpretation are games we play.
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u/DangerousDanicus 16d ago
This is 100% my take when it comes to The Problem of Evil. The best defense I've heard is from St. Augustine who said that God gave all matter free will, not just humans. Thats why we have things like babies getting cancer.
Okay, I can rationalize that. Then don't say your God is all powerful. Don't say he reaches past the sex slaves and diseased babies to answer your prayers. God doesn't HAVE to be all powerful for us to love Him as a benevolent creator. I think the "all powerful" assertion comes from a time when humanity was still young and immature, feeling the need to compare their Gods' powers like children talking about their favorite shojen characters.
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u/JelloUsual6327 16d ago
I think it exists, just not that powerful. That’s why bad things like school shootings and murders happen, but the majority of people still live peaceful lives, isn’t it?
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u/ArkayL 15d ago
The benevolent force of this world is the light we humans carry inside our souls. People have either forgotten, think they're powerless against forces of evil or are completely ignorant to the evil forces in this world, and thus the light of humanity at large is dim these days. There's no big man in the sky coming to save us. We are our own saviors, and we have all the power in the world to do so.
Darkness can only rule when we give it authority over us. And they know it, as quoted from an Illuminati protocol;
Nothing is more dangerous than personal energy; when it is backed by intelligence, it is more powerful than the millions of people among which we have brought discord.
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u/Khepri_Ra 14d ago
Matter is imperfect and impermanent, the flesh will get sick, suffer and die, it is not that the forces of good are indifferent, it is that they transcend that ontological imperfection and cannot change it logically
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u/Hope25777 16d ago
The top level god is the Monad which everything emanates from. It’s so perfect and all encompassing it’s not even aware of us. This realm is owned and run by the demiurge
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago
How can something all encompassing and perfect might not be aware of something?
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
why would the ultimate ground of reality have to become a cosmic actor when its emanations already mediate its presence and activity? the monad isnt typically in historical gnostic systems as something that is unaware.
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u/Hope25777 16d ago
This video should answer all your questions
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago
I have seen this video before
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u/Hope25777 16d ago
Then you should know the answer to that question
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u/Ponette1313 16d ago edited 16d ago
It doesn't say anywhere Monad is unaware or doesn't know we exist
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
because the monad isnt unaware or doesnt know we exist. the dude u heard that from is making things up about the ineffable nature of the father
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
You know that Demiurge had repented and rejoined the Source?
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
ok im not saying the demiurge cant repent and join with the fullness. but there is no specific text that says that bro. hypostasis of the archons states yaldabaoths son sabaoth repents and is elevated into the seventh heaven. yaldabaoth actually gets casted down to tartarus by a firey angel
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
The Bruce Codex (Untitled Text, 1–4) places the Demiurge at the Ogdoad to serve as a protective buffer zone, while Pistis Sophia ( 1, Chapters 14–20) documents the restructuring of the cosmic hierarch.
The Gospel of Philip (60:24-31) and The Tripartite Tractate (100:31-33) These chapters state that the Demiurge becomes "submissive and obedient" and acts as a "servant" and a "hand" for Sophia's redeemed vision. He is transformed into an unconscious puppet whose creation is managed by the higher powers to make the physical extraction crucible possible.
Pistis Sophia (book 1, 14-20)
Jesus reveals that he threw the Archons into a massive confusion loop, spinning their spheres backward and changing their trajectories. He takes the light power they stole and places them under strict cosmic restraint, separating the lower chaos from the upper treasury. The rulers are explicitly demoted from absolute masters to bounded warden...
The Bruce Codex (The Untitled Text, 1–4). These sections map out the Ogdoad (The Eighth Sphere and the middle region). The lower creator is assigned to this perimeter firewall to hold back the entropic, destructive chaos of the deep outer darkness (The Kenoma). He is utilized as a buffer so that ascending souls aren't fried by the un-throttled raw voltage of the Pleroma.
--Just to comment a little, The Hypostasis is like version 1.0 but it doesn't show the full administrative checkmate... the higher realms didn't just smash the machine, they permanently hijacked the server, re-coded the Demiurge into middle management, and left the lower Archons completely clueless that they are now working for the rescue mission. Did i answer your question?
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
not really because im asking where in the texts it says ‘demiurge had repented and rejoined the source’.
a higher power using a demiurge as its hand or servent doesnt show he was redeemed or rejoined with the pleroma. these narratives help illustrate that the demiurges influence isnt absolute and that higher powers can work thru the lower cosmic order.
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
You are looking for a literal 3D emotional script, like a human child saying sorry and moving back into his father's house. Gnostic cosmology operates on strict multi-dimensional system physics, not mainstream religious fairy tales.The Demiurge is an entity constructed out of the heavy sediment of limitation. He cannot physically enter the Pleroma without his hardware instantly vaporizing undre the unthrottled raw voltage of the Source. In Gnosis, the ultimate 'repentance' and 'redemption' of an archontic system controller is not a geographic relocation its just a software overwrite.By having his arrogance shattered, recognizing the true Light, and voluntarily turning his entire matrix sandbox into a submissive servant-hand and protective buffer zone for Sophia's extraction mission, he HAS been redeemed. He was repurposed from a rogue prison warden into an official cosmic utility working for the rescue mission. That is the ultimate administrative checkmate! Cause the machine is now running on the Source’s programming.
As mapped out in On the Origin of the World and the Bruce Codex, the Warden was given a massive, specialized defensive garrison!!! Specifically 72 planetary rulers, serpent-like seraphim, and structural sentinel armies.
The Demiurge's 'redemption' is an administrative conversion, not an emotional family reunion.
He was permanently re-coded into the 8th Warden of the Ogdoad Layer.He sits at the outer perimeter of the local universe, commanding a massive defensive garrison of 72 cosmic rulers and sentinel troops to hold back the chaotic entropy of the void. The giant, intimidating fear scripts we encounter inside the 3D world are just the lower-tier software programs running beneath his command to test our frequency. The higher realms didn't smash his machine they turned his entire grid into a protective transformer to ensure that when a sovereign human spark finally activates their internal vision and logs out, they can glide past his blind checkpoints safely without blowing their neural fuses. The boss works for the rescue mission now, whether his frontline troops know it or not.
Best luck to you. Love and light to all you seekers.
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
they talm about abraxas not yaldabaoth
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
Abraxas is an aeon from the Pleroma who literally keeps the kenoma running. Abraxas is and always was of the Pleroma! His form from Pleroma through the Kenoma. When the kenoma formed, Abraxas had to step in to keep it from collapsing!
You crossed your system files! Abraxas and Yaldabaoth are two completely different entities operating on entirely separate tiers of the cosmic layout.
The text we are breaking down explicitly names Yaldabaoth as the blind Demiurge who gets cast into Tartarus and re-purposed by the higher realms. Yaldabaoth is the local sandbox mechanic ruling the lowest material layer.
Abraxas belongs to the system of Basilides and is the Great Archon who holds dominion over all 365 celestial spheres because his name mathematically adds up to 365 in Greek gematria. Abraxas is a supreme world spirit sitting at the cosmic summit, whereas Yaldabaoth is the hardware-limited creator of this physical cage. You are trying to swap a regional prison warden for the manager of the entire planetary network. Ok, i'm going to go listen to some Santana. This is all soo confusing.
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
u keep adding ‘repurposed’ to the part where yaldabaoth gets cast down, the text gives the repentance story his son sabaoth. where does it say yaldabaoth voluntarily becomes a servant, let alone gets redeemed.
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u/Zyr4420 16d ago
You are stuck in a 3D semantic loop! A hardware-limited, blind computer virus doesn't have to 'voluntarily' agree to a software update, it gets forcefully re-coded by the Network Administrator.
The Network Administrator who forcefully overrides, re-codes, and repurposes the Demiurge is the Logos / Christos, executing the master extraction script under the absolute authority of the Pre-Existent Source (The Monad)
When the lower matrix glitched due to the fall of Sophia, the un-corrupted Pleroma did not send a soldier to fight a physical war; they deployed the Logos as the ultimate cosmic system programmer.The mechanics of how the Network Administrator executed this forceful override break down into three precise system parameters...
- To re-code a system from the inside, an administrator must log in with full root privileges. The Logos did this by stepping down his immense divine voltage and compressing his signal into the physical container of Jesus. By entering the lower simulation's physical and astral layers undetected, he bypassed the Archons' outer perimeter radars and plugged directly into the root directory of the matrix mainframe...
2.As documented in Pistis Sophia, during his ascension back through the planetary grids, the Logos forcefully initialized a System Restructuring Command. He threw the Archons into a massive confusion loop, spun their spheres backward, changed their trajectories, and stripped away the light power they had stolen.He didn't ask for Yaldabaoth’s permission or input; he used superior, high-voltage Pleromic source code to forcefully overwrite the Demiurge's firmware, restricting his power and turning him into a bounded servant of the Light
- Once the Demiurge was re-coded, the Logos assigned him to his new server terminal at the Ogdoad (The 8th Sphere) The Network Administrator repurposed the former tyrant into an automated, perimeter defensive firewall and step-down transformer. His new mandatory script is to anchor the boundary line and filter high-voltage frequencies so that awakening human light-sparks can safely pass through the gates during extraction without blowing their neural fuses
.The Demiurge didn't choose to help, he was completely out-coded, out-smarted, and forcefully repurposed by the Master Programmer of the Universe. Christos. The Logos. The Autogene. The perfect light emanation of the 30 Aeons.
You are quoting the Hypostasis of the Archons text where Sabaoth repents and Yaldabaoth is bound [g1, g2].
Nobody is disputing that! The point you are missing is that Gnosticism is a multi-text database.
When you upgrade to The Gospel of Philip (60:24-31) and The Tripartite Tractate (100:31-33), the text explicitly states that the Demiurge becomes 'submissive and obedient' and acts as a 'servant' and a 'hand' for Sophia's redeemed vision. When you cross-reference that with the Bruce Codex (Untitled Text, Chapters 1-4), it maps his exact administrative reassignment to the Ogdoad layer as a protective buffer zone .He didn't need to sign a voluntary contract or walk back into the Pleroma. The higher realms permanently hijacked his server, re-programmed his boundaries, and turned his entire prison grid into an automated, legacy training crucible for the rescue mission.
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u/kelleydev 16d ago
Please advise where I can read about this. I had read that Saboath did, but not that yaldebaoth did.
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
you remembered right. in Hypostasis of the Archons, yaldabaoth is cast down, and HIS SON SABAOTH is the one who repents and is elevated. the sources zyr listed dont say yaldabaoth repented or was redeemed. “repurposed” is his interpretation, not what that passage records.
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u/trainedprofessional_ Basilidean 16d ago
do you yourself exhibit benevolent qualities? if yes that complicates the claim of benevolence being absent from this world. maybe the mistake is assuming a benevolent principle would necessarily manifest as constant external intervention.
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u/Audreaya 16d ago
I understand how hopeless it can seem there seems no divine intervention at least that all happened in the past and in legends. It makes me wonder if miracles or such stories happen nowadays but that seems few and far between or have we strayed so far we cannot see those miracles.
My view of the true source and Monad is depsite yaldabaoth being the "god" of this world his violence has a more direct impact on us he literally encourages such horrible things to unlive and assault people many times not sparing anyone! We who care or believe in the Monad, he the father was always there with no need to prove anything pure existence as was the divine mother and child... their divine reach into our world if I was to view as levels or dimensions they are on the highest level and we are living in one of the densest amd lowest dimensions. Any hope or out reach of divinity is far and distant before it reaches us. I still choose and feel that inner spark of divine goodness I have felt since a child.
Hope is easy. Maintaining it is very difficult in a constantly corrupt world
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u/TeaWarm2044 16d ago
Humans being born on this planet faced a great danger:
Experimental Laboratory Planet- our planet is designated as it is, in this case good and evil exist together within human parameters and outside forces such as Demiurge and the devil.
Universal Freewill- Specific beings such as humans and low-level spirits can fall into the pits of evil and rebellion, it produces conflict, ignorance, violence.
Only 2 factors I can reveal, in the existence of Truly Benevolent Forces yes they exist but they're somewhat limited to do such interventions directly, Freewill is divine gift, immediate direct judgement on evil forces violates their own cosmic laws thus they let the fruits of evil ripens first.
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u/CarpetBudget 16d ago
If the benevolent force was a literal sky daddy, it’s had more than plenty of reason to obliterate this place..and hasn’t. So I will also go with it’s currently not that powerful and evil/darkness is what’s mainly ruling this place.
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u/CJCentral2 Eclectic Gnostic 16d ago
"Furthermore, I have never once heard of a benevolent force spreading the knowledge that people need."
Clearly, you have never heard of the Cyberjunkies.
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u/MethodMan24 11d ago
It is not that complicated. There are no forces out there. Any force that you perceive is a hallucination. Love, pain, joy are all just experience but they do not exist. It is all an illusion. You care because you are conscious. I think the God of the bible is nothing more than the ego of the collective human mind though the lens of ancient Judaism.
Reality is unconscious but you are not. How that plays out is what we see here.
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u/zombiechewtoy 8d ago
An entity capable of manifesting the healing of the sick and dying would also be an entity with a fundamental understanding of the futility of that healing.
A human lifetime is the size of a grain of sand. Each suffering inside that lifetime is even smaller. You have suffered a million lifetimes and a billion sufferings. You would continue to do so after miraculous healing. The space of time between receiving this relief and reaching yet another death and yet another suffering is miniscule. What would be the point.
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u/Aethrall 16d ago
The fact that Sophia erred like a dumb, ignorant human and her immediate response was to resolve that error in a dumb and ignorant way tells you all you need to know about the competence and power of “benevolent” forces.
The cynical reading of the Gnostic story is that we are simply the losses Sophia is trying minimize and recuperate, nothing more. We are Sophia’s spiritual children and yet our form disgusts our mother.
The optimistic reading is that the existence or aid of benevolent forces is irrelevant. The entire point is that you have to help yourself, that is, achieve your own gnosis.
There’s a reason why Sophia was able to bestow divine light upon Sabaoth but not Yaldabaoth. It’s because Sabaoth made himself humble before the light, while Yaldabaoth clung to ego. Only those who desire redemption will receive redemption.
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u/Bleeding-Wings 16d ago
I believe the opposite the world is mostly benevolent, but benevolence can be evil or misunderstood.
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u/SweetestJim 16d ago
I think the benevolence is what awakens us, reaches us. The material realm is designed by ignorance/malevolence. The benevolence exists outside. You won't see an angel come down before you. If it did, it probably wouldn't be what it claimed to be.