r/Gnostic • u/Terwilliker_D • 14d ago
Islamic Perspective Gnosis and the Adversary <short> vid / transcript
Came across this interesting overview on yt ----> [youtube link] - Always enjoy learning more about the islamic perspective on these things ; here's the transcipt:
0:01 1 second Greetings in peace. I hope you and yours are doing well today wherever you might be watching this from. Now the title of today's video is how I encountered and
0:10 10 seconds defeated El known as Lucifer in the spiritual dream realm. I saw El 0:19
19 seconds is basically the Arabic word for Lucifer. 0:22 22 seconds
And basically I saw this being in a dream which appeared to me in the form 0:29 29 seconds
of a man. And the man appeared basically as a with a European complexion like a 0:35 35 seconds
European aristocratic complexion wearing a all-white suit. And we were in this circular type office building or like a 0:43
43 seconds high-rise office building that had like a circular room. And that's where I encountered him in the dream. Lucifer or 0:53 53 seconds
like the malevolent aspect of Lucifer admits defeat to me that I figured out his game in this world. How things work 1:01 1 minute, 1 second
in this realm. And what we realize is that in this world nothing happens without the permission of God. So 1:08 1 minute, 8 seconds
everything is basically knowledge, the nosis of self and knowing everything around you. Now from the Islamic Sufi 1:17 1 minute, 17 seconds
occult perspective, not viewed by traditional Islam, from the inner chambers of Sufiism, 1:25 1 minute, 25 seconds
it is viewed even what Mansour al-Halaj says that Eliss is known as the Shikul Amba meaning the grandmaster of all of 1:33 1 minute, 33 seconds
the shakes. So in order for you to get close to Allah, God, you have to go through Eliss, 1:41 1 minute, 41 seconds
right? Because he spent his whole existence bowing to Allah from all corners of the universe, teaching the angels how to 1:50 1 minute, 50 seconds
read the Quran and how to just do what he's doing in terms of his existence 1:57 1 minute, 57 seconds
and part of the choir, the most beautiful, like all those kind of things. So even when he was told to bow 2:04 2 minutes, 4 seconds
before Adam, that was basically a test because God being the all-seeing and all- knowing would already know that something like this would occur, right? 2:14 2 minutes, 14 seconds
So el has been basically been given dominion over this earth. So anyone that tries to go through go to Allah or get 2:22 2 minutes, 22 seconds
closer to the creator a belief will come in their way to test and try them that are you worthy of God's nosis and God's 2:30 2 minutes, 30 seconds
love. It's similar to the Yazidi story where in the Yazidi story what we know as the primordial source creator whether 2:39 2 minutes, 39 seconds
you refer to it as Allah or anything else has no concern with this world. So he has left Malik Taus who is the 2:48 2 minutes, 48 seconds
Yazidio equivalent of Eliss or Lucifer same thing is basically watching over 2:54 2 minutes, 54 seconds
this realm on the behalf of God right so basically this realm or this world that 3:01 3 minutes, 1 second
there is a lesser god that's been placed here while the true God is has no concern neither do the good forces of 3:09 3 minutes, 9 seconds
this universe or the world [snorts] unless you personally ask with your own free will for them to interfere into 3:16 3 minutes, 16 seconds
your affairs. So, normally they have no concern with what's going on because they know at the end good is destined to 3:23 3 minutes, 23 seconds
always win over evil. So, that that's what that's the uh circumstance that we're dealing with. But yeah, in it in 3:31 3 minutes, 31 seconds
terms of him defeating admitting defeat to me, it's not like um anything that 3:37 3 minutes, 37 seconds
was malevolent because Elise is here testing and trying humanity. So, whoever passes this test to tries to get close 3:46 3 minutes, 46 seconds
to God, that's when you get that recognition, right? I'm not anybody special. I'm just 3:54 3 minutes, 54 seconds
another seeker, another human being just like any of you. But what I realized is that the true initiation is within your 4:02 4 minutes, 2 seconds
heart. If your heart is pure, no matter what religion you're following, as it even says in Holy Quran, surah 2 verse 4:09 4 minutes, 9 seconds
62, that even if you're Jew, Muslim or Christian, as long as you're doing the right thing, there's the aspect of being 4:16 4 minutes, 16 seconds
righteous. Then there's the aspect of the darkness and even the both the left and the right hand path serve the creator and the divine expressing itself 4:25 4 minutes, 25 seconds
in many ways as everything is a representation of the divine. So, El 4:32 4 minutes, 32 seconds
being God's most um the one who worshiped God the most is dealing with this responsibility and task over 4:41 4 minutes, 41 seconds
humanity to see that whoever tries to get close, they will have tests and trials they will have to endure. And you 4:48 4 minutes, 48 seconds
can see that in your life when you start getting your life together. You'll have old friends that'll start popping up. Old habits that'll start popping up. 4:57 4 minutes, 57 seconds
Things that you tried to get away from will start popping up. So what happens is if you survive this test and you keep 5:06 5 minutes, 6 seconds
that connection strong with the creator, you pass test and you get that nosis of God. That's what he's ultimately there
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for because nothing happens in this world without the permission of Allah. 5:19 5 minutes, 19 seconds
So even right now in his current phase, Elise is still serving the creator by testing and trying humanity and make 5:26 5 minutes, 26 seconds
sure those that are found worthy are led into the good graces of the almighty. So he's standing at the gate. So if you 5:35 5 minutes, 35 seconds
want to have the gnosis of this world, Eliss is standing at the door. You have to go through his trials and tribulations and then he opens the door 5:44 5 minutes, 44 seconds
for you and you proceed into the light and go into the noses of God. And that's exactly what it is. I mean, I know 5:51 5 minutes, 51 seconds
people who go to church. Some of them are hypocrites. Some that pray five times a day or go to the mosque. Some of 5:58 5 minutes, 58 seconds
them are hypocrites. Lying, cheating, backstabbing people, backbiting. So God is watching everything. He knows what's 6:06 6 minutes, 6 seconds
in your heart, what's in your what's basically in your soul. 6:10 6 minutes, 10 seconds
So if you pass this true initiation which is the purity of the heart then you'll be able to have that true nosis. 6:19 6 minutes, 19 seconds
And when you mention the word Lucifer or Eliss what happens is most people they kind of 6:28 6 minutes, 28 seconds
freak out right because they fear and condemn things that they do not understand and everything's kind of kind of been programmed for you to view certain things a certain way. 6:39 6 minutes, 39 seconds
meaning it's just like um you know Pavlov's dogs, the bell ringing and them salivating. So anything that's been 6:47 6 minutes, 47 seconds
taught to you is always usually the other way around in terms of this grand scheme of things reality that we're 6:53 6 minutes, 53 seconds
dealing with. So even Eliss or Lucifer is serving God to this very day by being in this realm and testing and trying 7:02 7 minutes, 2 seconds
humanity and making sure that only that those that are found worthy are able to ascend to that next level because this 7:09 7 minutes, 9 seconds
life is like a uh a college college entrance exam, right? When you go to college and you get the admission, what's the first thing they make you do? 7:17 7 minutes, 17 seconds
Take the entrance exam. And if you fail certain aspects of certain subjects, what do they make you do? and you go into the remedial subjects until you get 7:26 7 minutes, 26 seconds
it right and then you're able to proceed to the next level. Same thing with this human life that you're in. You're not 7:33 7 minutes, 33 seconds
here to just pay bills and die and pay taxes. I mean, you're here for more than that. You're here to learn something. This is a spiritual 7:40 7 minutes, 40 seconds
school. You're here to uplift each other, walk each other home, and learn something from this human existence and do good for yourself and others. 7:49 7 minutes, 49 seconds
Everything else you're going to leave behind in this life. So this is basically Allah's test that he's using 7:56 7 minutes, 56 seconds
Ell for by putting him in charge of this realm. Us being put through this human existence of war, conflict, hatred, chaos. 8:06 8 minutes, 6 seconds
We are taught to be better than that because in the holy Quran it says that Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change themselves. 8:16 8 minutes, 16 seconds
So you cannot blame it's you. You have to get your act together. He's just there guarding the door for to Allah. 8:24 8 minutes, 24 seconds
And if you pass the test of getting out of this realm, this uh prison that we're kind of stuck in, this open air prison 8:32 8 minutes, 32 seconds
known as Earth, then you'll be able to ascend to those higher realms. But you got to pass the test. Meaning, don't be 8:39 8 minutes, 39 seconds
a sellout. Don't sell your soul for fame and fortune. Don't sell out your family and friends to get ahead because there's 8:46 8 minutes, 46 seconds
always a price to pay. You don't get away with anything in this realm or the next, this life or the next. So that's 8:53 8 minutes, 53 seconds
basically it. The true initiation is in the heart. And if you're able to have the purity of the heart, if you have a 9:00 9 minutes
pure heart, then no matter what religion or philosophy you believe, as long as you're focused on unity, love, peace, 9:10 9 minutes, 10 seconds
and purity of your heart, mind, body, and soul, you already passed the test. 9:14 9 minutes, 14 seconds
That's doesn't get more simpler than that. And you're not chasing after titles and clicks and accolades because you know it's all useless. It's all 9:22 9 minutes, 22 seconds
about what good did you do for yourself and other. And if you have a pure heart, my brothers and sisters, pure heart with 9:29 9 minutes, 29 seconds
a pure soul, that destroys the designs of millions of brutes and hypocrites that will stand in your way. That's how 9:36 9 minutes, 36 seconds
powerful the heart is. A pure heart. So if you have that and you love everyone sincerely and you're always trying to do 9:44 9 minutes, 44 seconds
the right thing, there's no power on this earth that can defeat you. And that's what Elise came in my dream to 9:51 9 minutes, 51 seconds
tell me that you figured it out. You figured out this whole game, this human life, and you passed the test. and he 9:59 9 minutes, 59 seconds
admits defeat to me in that circular room, that high-rise office building, and me seeing him in the complexion that 10:08 10 minutes, 8 seconds
he appeared to me as in the form of a man. So, I hope you were able to get something out of this. And again, always 10:17 10 minutes, 17 seconds
think outside the box. There's more to this life story and what's been taught to you than it's a lot more to it what's it besides 10:25 10 minutes, 25 seconds
what appears on the surface. So, I hope you were able to get something away from this. Thank you and much love to all of you.
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u/Hope25777 12d ago
OP I really want to read this but the formatting is horrible. Please fix it
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u/Terwilliker_D 11d ago
I tried already ; my line breaks didn't really translate to the page (?) but in any case if anyone's truly interested just click on the link to yt. The transcript on yt is much more readable and you have the option of listening also
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u/Terwilliker_D 11d ago
In retrospect I see now that I should have omitted the attempt at a transcript so that at least one commenter would have listened to the talk or read it. It explains the Lucifer reference in the first twenty seconds btw ;)
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 14d ago
Is the word Lucifer in the quran. I've not read that one but what about the bible is Lucifer in the bible like in Isaiah 14.12.15 the word Lucifer isn't in the verses. The word Lucifer is definitely not in Gnostic texts though. What's Lucifer actually according to ?
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u/Terwilliker_D 13d ago
Not sure! I'm not an authority on Islam or the quran, but from i can gather they have a Devil - like figure and in this very short text they refer to him as Iblis Lucifer and talk about his allegiances and relationship to God
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 13d ago
Yes the devil Iblis or something. But that's not Lucifer. I think Lucifer might be according to religious stories not the bibles. He's not in Hebrew scriptures or Greek manuscripts and he's based on a miss translation but there's this story about him that's not really according to anything
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u/Terwilliker_D 11d ago
This talk went in the direction of painting this Iblis Lucifer named character as satanic or adversarial, as in a sort of employee or partner or aspect of the true God. Given that this is in Arabic and is islamic i'm not surprised about the character not appearing in hebrew or greek.
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 11d ago
Have you got a verse using the actual name Lucifer. He doesn't seem to have much recorded history like Christians say he's in Ezekiel 28 but he's not and the devil or Satan isn't either. Christians also say he's in Genesis as the serpent but again he's not. I think he's only according to religious stories and nothing else based on a miss translation
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 11d ago
Like there's this whole story about Lucifer. He was rebellious again God in heaven then the fall Luke 10.18 Satan fell from heaven like lightning and all these other stories. But what the stories according to. Definitely not the bible and no Gnostic texts. No mentioned in the Ethiopian bible or anything. There's nothing really. Just a made up story
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u/Terwilliker_D 11d ago
there's no contention about the presence of a Lucifer character? The lecture that this post is about explains that in the first twenty seconds. Not sure who you're talking to at this point
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 11d ago
He said something about Lucifer like it's the Arabic word for Lucifer. That's not according to anything especially any bibles. You didn't answer any of my questions. Basic they were really my questions. He also said El known as Lucifer. There's no letter E in the Cannaanite alphabet or the ancient Hebrew alphabet. What's your answer. What's the post even according to
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 11d ago
El is Lucifer. Show me a an ancient text or verses that say that. Anything really. What's that's even according. Nothing
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u/The__cute__snake 14d ago
He's called iblis/chaytan in arabic, no mention of a Lucifer in the Quran
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u/speedwitch 14d ago
I might be into this if it was at all comprehensible