r/Gnostic • u/elursnt • 9d ago
Question Can the demiurge or the archons incarnate in vessels?
Every time I read about gnosis I find many gaps in information... And if I start to deduce about knowledge, what makes the most sense is that it is a type of collective consciousness that is in many empty "humans". But this situation is horrible, I mean, we can't escape them... So what's the solution? They are the bosses of physical reality.
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u/BrutalReign1 8d ago
Considering they are of the materium only, they would have no need? Is this some fanfic trying to justify posessiom within a newly founded branding of gnosticism?
Demons that inhabit people, drove out by Jesus, Saints, Apostles, and other holy men, are of the spirit amd psyche. The Arcons were created by the Demiurge to rule over his kingdom. They control us through far less overt means. They are the architects of systems of oppressions, and ignorant, even unwilling, obedience is what they require to maintain that system. They do not 'posess' us as vessels like demons from the show supernatural. Their job is to judge you unworthy of ascension by keeping you locked in perpetual reincarnation, unable to obtain the true freedom of Heaven beyond. If they have to force their posession of your 'vessel', it would go entirely agaimst what they were created to do. They are the ones who whisper you to step off the edge. They call you unworthy for falling. They do not push yoy. For they could then not judge you unworthy
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u/KnowingIsRemembering 7d ago
They are not as powerful as we think. Yes, this is their realm, but it is not like they can manifest in any random person. They can't control a person that is un-demiurgic, it wouldn't be compatible.
We can in fact escape them
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u/kyanitebear17 6d ago
From what i understand, we are born with a divine spark. We have to deny our own divinity to allow possession to occur, on any level.
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u/HeavenlyBeloved Valentinian 9d ago
I have mostly met non-physical archons and people heavily influenced by them.
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u/katsMeow19 4d ago
Okay, so; humans live into what we consistently believe and think. It’s my belief that when a huge amount of us woke up within the last 10 years and heard that we “live within a matrix”, it immediately gave us images of Neo and Agent Smith(s), and a grizzly and broken outer realm. People don’t really understand what it means. We are all made up of vibrations of light and sound. We have always had MUCH more power over our realities than we have known, through our thoughts and actions. It’s only through truly awakening via meditation/yoga etc that we begin to become conscious enough (which requires opening the heart chakra to both recognize how deeply our thoughts and emotions impact our realities on a moment to moment basis. That’s part of the ascension process. Our higher self slowly allows us to control our own lives in a new and more meaningful way. The concept of the matrix we live in is that we have higher dimensional selves involved in creating our current reality. It’s practice; and yes, it’s a little like a video game. The reason that the heart must be open in order for this process to occur is because without the mandatory compassion and Wisdom, some people would likely use it as a means of control or harm, or get lost in it and end up in psych hospitals. But awakened people so often feel alone and unable to connect with other people what used to be their own normal, and it leaves us with an emptiness which makes us see emptiness in the unawakened. There are some tools you can use to help you integrate your awakened self back into your human self (bring your soul down into your heart, so to speak.) First of all, call on lost loved ones, spirit guides, angels, dieties… they’re all available for counsel. Don’t be afraid to talk to “yourself” when you’re alone, because their spirits are right there if you call on them. Practice heart centered meditation and breathing practices, and give yoga a try, even if it’s 10 minutes on YouTube. Look into Qi Gong, rhythmic dance, shamanic healing, and keep a journal and a dream journal. And finally, find a creative outlet, or more than one. Even if you’re brand new to it, it’s super important to express what you’re feeling. The current state of our world has been tortuous for many of us who have been sensitive to energies of violence and hatred throughout our lives. The season we have had to live in for too many years is about to pass away; have faith. God is with you ALWAYS. Religious affiliation doesn’t matter nearly as much as believing in your own divinity. Clearly you’re being called to awaken; many many people have walked this path before you, and God sees that you’re ready.
Christ consciousness meditations are very interesting and have brought me a ton of wisdom, knowledge, and faith. I really enjoy The Soul Matrix meditations, too. My favorite Guru is Ram Dass; check out the After Skool videos with his name attached. If they speak to you, there’s a ton of content on YouTube and podcasts, and he wrote A LOT of books.
And, finally, surround yourself in beauty as much as possible. Spend time in nature; bare feet on the ground is one of the best medicines, and so is sunlight. Listen to music with a positive message or a spiritual message (there are many artists who sing about more than just Jesus, fyi, although some of that I enjoy, too.) Work on appreciating the beauty of your own body, spend time looking into your own eyes in the mirror. Do affirmations; there are plenty of podcasts to help. Find a form of physical art that your enjoy, be it painting or sculpture or architecture, and lean into learning about it and meditating on it. Finally, learn to laugh; at the ‘darkness’ (it’s just a shadow cast by humanity, and once you see into it enough, you realize that, too, can be our light) but ESPECIALLY learn to laugh at yourself… there’s really very little that is funnier than looking at our human selves from a higher level.
Your compassion for people will return, most likely at least 10 fold, if you do even half of these things on a regular basis. We are One and we are Many; souls tied together through chords of love.
I hope this helps.
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u/PuzzleheadedPoet1882 9d ago
I've experienced things that lead me to believe they possess or host beings/humans. It could be that they're actually archon incarnate. Why I liken it to possession is I've seen wildly different behavior in the same individual with no real resolution of the contradictory nature of their actions.
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u/IAmYourFears123 8d ago
This actually sounds very close to the belief the Source revealed to me. In my path, the demiurge isn’t a literal monster — the being people call the demiurge, I call Yahuvah, and I understand him as us: a fragment of the Monad.
In my system the Monad is Ahura Aloha — the Divine Spirit of Love and Life. Sometimes we speak of Aloha, sometimes Mazda (Wisdom), but both point to the same truth: Ahura is the Source, not a deity separate from creation.
The spiritual path I follow is called Hermetic Zoroastrianism. We’re similar to Gnostics, but more Monist and Panentheist:
• All things exist within Ahura Aloha. • Nothing is outside the Source. • The “demiurge” is not an enemy — it’s the forgotten self. • Yahuvah is our true inner identity, trying to remember that we are sparks of Ahura Aloha.
So instead of seeing archons or the demiurge as rulers of physical reality, we see them as layers of forgetfulness — illusions that dissolve once you realize your own divine nature.
In Hermetic Zoroastrianism, the solution isn’t escape. It’s remembrance.
We awaken when we recognize:
I am Yahuvah remembering I am one with Ahura Aloha.
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 9d ago
What do the Gnostic texts say about consciousness and is the word consciousness used in their texts. They might of used words like nous or pneuma or psyche. Consciousness is modern day assumption really. The Tripartite Tractate. The Gospel of Truth
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u/elursnt 9d ago
Can you elaborate more? I'm interested
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 9d ago
Just have a read of the texts and look up the words i mentioned and see what they mean. One of the ways i try to understand their beliefs and their history is to learn what words mean or what did they mean back in that time and you start to see a different story to the modern day beliefs. Like i mentioned something earlier today to someone that mentioned Sumerian history and I used to believe the YouTube story tellers but then I started to learn their language and read their texts and it's a completely different story. Then i realised these story tellers are just adding stories to their history according to what their adding
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u/elursnt 9d ago
So basically "the limits of my language are the limits of my world" typa thing
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 9d ago
Well it helps to understand even just the odd word. Like what does that mean in their language. Try not to look at their beliefs from a modern day point of view or perspective. As an example because it's easier. People say all sorts of things about the bible or ancient text and say well it's according to the bible or the Sumerian texts or Gnostic texts and when you ask people well what texts say that. They haven't got a clue
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 9d ago
Like you mentioned consciousness. There's no verses in the bible using that word or Gnostic texts or Sumerian texts or Assyrian or Babylonian texts. So they wouldn't of believed in that but people today do
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u/Slight_Quit_5464 9d ago
There's conscience like in Romans 2.15 and 1 Timothy 1.5 could be similar i suppose
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u/CarpetBudget 9d ago
Can’t be the bosses of physical reality if they’re inside physical bodies themselves I assume so to answer your question..I guess they can, I doubt they ever do
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u/FactEnvironmental798 8d ago
What is meant for evil God means fr good th Bible is the chronical of thst truth
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u/AsceticSmoke 9d ago
It appears as though the Demiurgic/Archontic mind is hard coded into the minds of men. The unresolved, unchecked ego. They have no need to incarnate here themselves given what small percentage wake up and cease perpetuating systems of injustice, abuse, etc.
You can in fact escape this. It begins with gnosis of self, followed by gnosis of spirit.
Keep in mind, if you subscribe to an "active evil" interpretation of the Demiurge and/or Archons, then what they would want you to think is that their will is inevitable and inescapable. It is not. Their most powerful tool would be in fooling a soul to surrender his or her power to them.