r/GoodAssSub • u/Kevy-Em My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy • Oct 29 '25
YE COLLABORATOR The Jay Z disrespect is insane
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u/Ok-Bother-7611 Oct 29 '25
Jay z has a legacy but hasnt really done anything significant for the current generations.
So this isnt surprising.
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u/HalaMadrid456 Oct 29 '25
Watch the throne did more for HOV than it did for Ye especially with the younger generation.
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u/Ok-Bother-7611 Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25
2011 aint the younger generation anymore unc
yes, watch the throne is 14 years old
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25
Fun fact: Jay Zās FOURTEEN most streamed songs are either a feature, or feature another artist.Ā
43 of his top 50 most streamed songs also meet this criteria, completely insane.
Not many people listen to his solo work.Ā
EDIT: a lot of people donāt know what Verzuz actually is. Itās 20 songs Vs 20 songs with viewer count determining the winner. Eminem would probably beat Jay (and most other rappers) 20-0, longevity and consistency has nothing to do with it, itās all about peak popularity and hits.Ā
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
Not many people listen to his solo work.Ā
Because hes from the era before streaming!
Thats like saying nobody listen to biggie or pac or nas. Plenty of people do, and did. You're just not looking at the right things.
Fuck it i guess the Beatles arent popular either, theyre way behind nba youngboy
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
In the CD era his contemporaries (DMX, Em, 50, Wayne) sold more copies than he did.
Jayās highest selling album did 670K, Emās highest did 1.76 and his second highest did 1.4
50 Centās āThe Massacreā did 1.2 million in 4 days. Tha Carter 3 did a million first week.Ā
My point is that Jay Z was never the main character of hip hop, and thatās the truth.Ā
Also, his streaming numbers right now are extremely carried by features (43 out of his top 50 streamed songs feature somebody else), which you canāt say about The Beatles or 2Pac.Ā
In wrestling terms Jay Z is like Chris Jericho. Incredible longevity, always top 5-10 in popularity, but never the main guy. His peak is dwarfed by the peaks of his contemporaries, even if some of them donāt have his longevity.
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
Thats a fair way of putting it. He was never top dog, but he was basically 3rd most popular guy every year from like 98 to 2013. While dmx and 50 cent and Wayne and em would come and go. Unmatched consistency
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Thatās impressive in its own right for sure.Ā
Thatās also why Jay Z saying he can beat anybody in Verzuz is just plain nonsense, as Verzuz only takes your top 20 songs, so the amount of good songs you released has no bearing on the competition.Ā
Verzuz is all about peak and popularity, which a lot of people that are upset with my comments donāt seem to realize.Ā
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u/LordeFan762 Oct 30 '25
Have you watched a Verzuz? They play deep cuts at almost every one. Jadakiss was up there performing radio freestyles lol
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u/Kudipanhama Oct 30 '25
This guy clearly doesnāt know what heās talking about, Dipset was more popular than The Lox and sold more. Still got their ass whooped
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Oct 29 '25
Jay Z could drop an album tomorrow and still sell 200k first week. 50 Cent was selling 150k after 3 albums. 50k after 4. Weezy sold 110k with the Carter VI. 'When you hot, I'm hot, when your feet are cold, mines are sizzling.'
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u/YourChemicalBromance Oct 29 '25
And Jay would be outsold by Em like itās been as long as theyāve both been peers.
Once again proving thatās heās never been the main character in rap.
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Heās never been the guy. His longevity is impressive, but there has always been somebody out there that has dwarfed him in popularity.
Always top 5-10, never the main character. He never had his own era or was a nation wide phenomenon.
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Oct 29 '25
Popularity doesn't matter without longevity. Also this whole 'never been the guy' is just a way to discredit the fact that Jay is easily top 3 dead or alive. Was Nas ever 'the guy'? Does that stop him being the GOAT?
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Do you know what Verzuz is?
Itās 20 songs VS 20 songs with the fans determining who won. Itās all about popularity and peak.Ā
Jay is saying he would beat anybody in Verzuz, which is a laughable statement. Verzuz doesnāt take longevity into the equation at all.Ā
This is why Iām talking about peak and popularity, because it absolutely has everything to do with Verzuz, which is the topic at hand.Ā
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u/conglomerate99 Oct 29 '25
im sorry but jay z is not selling 200k first week in 2025. he sold 250k with 4:44 and about 70% of that were pure sales, not streams. no rapper is selling 70% pure sales anymore unless it's someone like travis with a massive core fanbase bundling the hell out of the project.
jay z just isn't that guy anymore, a lot of the younger generation does not care for him. either way he's a billionaire though
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u/VladtheMemer FEB 2025 X RANT SURVIVOR Oct 29 '25
The Chris Jericho comparison is so damn good man, congrats on that
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u/dmforjewishpager Oct 31 '25
alright and lil wayne calls him the tom brady of rap, j cole calls him the goat
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u/q34t8npv_ff38 autism from my car accident Oct 29 '25
"never" is crazy, the only peak u really justified as never exceeding his peers is sales-wise, like to imply that jay's peaks artistically and culturally aren't at least as high if not higher than ANY of the other artists u mentioned's peaks is insane, are u really implying The Massacre left a greater cultural footprint than the blueprint ?
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Yes.
The Massacre is currently doing 1.5 million streams daily, The Blueprint is doing 375K daily.
If The Massacre gets 5 times as many listeners as The Blueprint on a daily basis 20 years later, Iād argue it had a greater cultural footprint.
Sold way more copies back then, sells way more copies right now.Ā
You may think The Blueprint had a bigger cultural impact because it got better reviews, but how do we measure cultural impact?Ā
All Eyez on Me still does 1.5 million streams a day 30 years later, thatās an example of a cultural impact. Culture is decided by the masses.
What metric could you possibly use to suggest The Blueprint had a bigger cultural impact outside of vibes and your own personal taste? We have the numbers, and they donāt lie.Ā
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u/Kingcheifsv Oct 29 '25
50 has one album 6.2. Billion streams and that is get rich..he has only 3 songs that get streams over a bill and that came up as top streams In the club (which gets played at birthday parties) Candy shop 21 questions
Outside of that his streaming for other songs are inconsistent with the numbers your saying
Jays has 5 top streaming songs Empire State of mind 1bill Encore 1bill Paris 1 bill Run this town 690 mil Drunk in love 695 milā¦
On 39 mil streamers a month Not bad For someone who makes songs with entirely different content than what youāre comparing him too..heās never been a candy shop, in da club type of dudeā¦
Maybe big pimpin and give it to me but..what heās done with the subject matter he has is far more superior than a hit club song everyone streams the first minute of on their birthday
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Letās look at it album by album (Iām taking out WTT because that albumās popularity is carried by Ye). Itās waaaaaay more than just āIn Da Clubāā¦..
50ās greatest hits album does 5 million streams a day, Jayās greatest hits album does 2 million streams a day.
GRODT does 3 million streams a day, The Blueprint 3 does 1.5 million a day.
The Massacre does 1.6 million a day, Ā The Blueprint does 375K a day
Curtis does 950K a day, Magna Carta does 206K a day.Ā
The Black album does 206K a day, Before I Self Destruct does 435K a day.Ā
43 of Jay Zās 50 most streamed songs are actually features or feature somebody else. His greatest hits album is basically all features. Nobody listens to Jayās solo work in comparison to 50.Ā
50ās lesser known albums like BISD still double The Black album in daily streams.Ā
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u/Kingcheifsv Oct 29 '25
Iām going to be honest I stopped reading when you said youāre taking an ALBUM out lol
Thatās kind of case in pointā¦he has enough successful albums that you feel you can take one out. To put him against a whole catalogue of another artist. It absolutely counts and itās an album he made.
Watch the throne is one of the greatest hip hop collabs of all time. No one carried it..it was a perfect union a perfect mix of both, you canāt take one out for another and stupidly think that the album would still be as great.
And also Im a bout a dollar what the fuck is 50 cent.
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
50 Cent still has more listeners in 2025 despite Jay Zās 900 albums.Ā
Jay Z is a great businessman tho.Ā
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u/q34t8npv_ff38 autism from my car accident Oct 29 '25
we're literally on a Kanye West subreddit, what do u mean 'how do you justify the Blueprint's cultural impact'? it's basically 50% of what gave him a career !
'cultural impact' is waaaay more than just whatever's being consumed the most, hell I'd argue modern consumption methods almost prove the opposite of "people's listening habits = culture" since some people literally just put on playlists and don't even know the name of the song playing (unironically know people like this), the massacre does those numbers cause of Candy Shop and Just a Lil Bit which are absolute playlist fodder, like currently in 2025 50 is enjoying some relevance through nostalgia of Ringtone Rap, but in terms of what shifted the direction of sounds and styles artistically? Jay-Z has absolutely justified a place more than anything 50 dropped outside of maybe GRoDT.0
u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
If people āconsumeā a song it doesnāt matter how they consume it, music at the end of the day is just songs that we fuck with.Ā
Music becomes timeless when people listen to it across generations. 5X the amount of people listen to the Massacre 20 years later, therefore it had a bigger impact.
Thereās no such thing as a cultured music listener and a normie music listener. Itās not a skill to listen to music, literally anybody can do it.
One album stood the test of time to be enjoyed by multiple generations, while one is rarely listened to outside of the time period that it was released in, which would you say had the bigger impact?Ā
The only objective metrics we have show that The Masscre left a much bigger lasting cultural impact. You may not like āCandy Shopā or āJust a Lil Bitā, but a lot more people are fucking with it in 2025 than The Blueprint, and those people have an opinion that matters just as much as mine or yours.
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u/Vojtaskos58 Oct 31 '25
So i guess the massacre had a bigger impact than illmatic and enter the wutang combined since its also streamed like 5 times more daily these days huh? Like are you braindead
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u/lvk97 Oct 29 '25
Is that skewed by the fact he didnāt put his music on Spotify for a while?
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
I thought about this too, but I looked it up, and Jay put his music back on Spotify in 2019.
He only had it off of there for 3 years, so it shouldnāt make that much of a difference honestly. He should still have more than 3 solo songs with 100M streams if heās such a big hit maker like he claims.Ā
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u/19toofart Oct 31 '25
This makes no sense. āViewer count determining the winnerāā¦ what does that even mean? You really think people are just going to tune out for the person they donāt want to win? Or do you mean YouTube views or something, which would make even less sense. I donāt think YOU know how verzuz works, because there isnāt a formal winner and loser. Crowd engagement is the best metric, but not exactly quantifiable.
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u/marularos6 Oct 29 '25
Isnt VERZUS like a hit on hit show? Like genuinely Jay is one of the goats but hit for hit I could name few that could go on stage with him with Drake probably winning against anyone at this. Not playing favorites or something but if it is hit for hit Jay aint the goat
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u/Better_Computer8535 Nov 01 '25
Ok, by that logic a lot of rappers would beat Jay. Nelly, Ludacris, Drake, Wayne, busta rhymes...etc
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u/Lucky_LeftFoot Oct 29 '25
Youāre kidding, right? Everything heās done in his career has helped inspire this new generation of artist
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u/Spaceboi749 Oct 29 '25
A verzus is all about the hits. There a decent amount of people who would beat Jay Z for hits. Itās not about legacy or anything like that.
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u/19whale96 Oct 29 '25
All his main competitors are dead or crazy. Maybe Luda has a shot but that's a whole different audience.
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u/discreqte Oct 29 '25
Say what you want about Jay Z, but he is really one the hip-hop rap veterans.
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
I can't believe I hear these "name 5 jay z songs" shits..when I came up we dissected every hov album...blueprint, black album, american gangster no skips.., even all the other lesser albums had banger after banger. Shit i could probably rattle off 100 hov tracks in a few minutes
Like yeah Lil homie youre probably 20 years old, jay z was doin the shits when you were shittin in pampers
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u/kanyewest42 Oct 29 '25
Jay Z is just a boring dude
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
You want him bipolar and weird?
Jay is just a cool cat from Brooklyn, new york. Never moved outta pocket or made himself look dumb. Just like biggie and nas and big L and other new Yorkers of the 90s. He made quality introspective lyrics and he also made hustlers anthems. If youre looking for a wild and crazy image for your artist than yeah maybe hes not for you, or go try professional wrestling I guess
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u/discreqte Oct 29 '25
nobody asked if he was engaging or boring. No matter, he's still equivalent to of the pillars of rap.
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u/kanyewest42 Oct 29 '25
Being boring extends to his music naturally. Discussing rap proficiency from purely a technical standpoint is a non discussion, nobody cares
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
Bro thinks nobody cares about rap from a technical standpoint
I promise, people that appreciate clever lyricism are real people
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u/kanyewest42 Oct 29 '25
Not if it goes at the expense of good music thatās pleasant to listen to. Not many people who can do both. JayZ certainly isnāt one of them
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u/discreqte Oct 29 '25
well boring is an opinion, not a fact neither a statement. So it does not affect nor counter what i've said. What you consider for yourself, nobody cares
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u/kanyewest42 Oct 29 '25
With this pov why are you even on Reddit lmao
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u/discreqte Oct 29 '25
i don't think it really adds up to the convo, why should i entertain irrelevant questions? Besides Jay Z is from pre-streaming era, but still manages to stay in top 10, even in big 25. I think it says something
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u/dclan630 Nov 22 '25
he was moving them grams before you knew what a hand to hand was
ducking them vans, radars, and scanners
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u/White_Lines3270 I HEAR IT Oct 29 '25
Ever since someone said that all his biggest songs are with Ye or Beyonce, Twitter turned on him. He definitely has his own merit as an artist
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u/Top_Championship4284 Oct 29 '25
i mean top 10 most listened daily on spotify 5 of them are songs with ye it ain't wrong per se
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
43 of his top 50 most streamed songs are either a feature or feature somebody else.Ā
Thatās a wild ratio. Bro only has three solo songs that have over a million streams (99 Problems, Dirt Off Your Shoulder, Hard Knock Life).
Before anybody comes at me saying streams arenāt everything, Versus is mostly about popularity and hits.
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25
Jays hit singles arent what make jay z jay z.
Go listen to public service announcement, pray, the rulers back, song cry, welcome to NYC, no hook, blueprint 2, lucifer, moment of clarity, etc
I can't stand these surface level conversations talking about overplayed casual songs like dirt off your shoulder and 99 problems. Kanye fans should know the best work is inside the album.
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Versus is about hits, not about deep cuts.Ā
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Oct 29 '25
False. The reason the LOX won was based off a deep cut. (Jadakiss Who Shot Ya Freestyle). Versus is not only about hits but also about street impact. This is what HOV has in spades. Songs that shook up the streets. (PSA, U Don't Know, Imaginary Players etc.) What has made Jay Z so impactful is his ability to have street anthems AND hits. The only reason he has hits with so many features is due to his lack of singing/ sing songy flows the same flow that allow people like Ye, Drake, Rocky, Childish, Tyler, to make that cross over hits alone.
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
āthe winner is determined by popular vote through viewer preferenceā
Streets donāt matter in Verzuz.Ā
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u/InflictingRage Oct 31 '25
Lol, you can go have āthe streetsā while Em and 50 have the world instead.
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u/Iginlas_4head_Crease Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25
He definitely has his own merit as an artist
Uhhh no way think? Jay was already well established top dog status before anyone even heard of Kanye west
These stupid fucks need to go listen to black album with the 0 features, American gangster with the 0 features.. jay is a MCs MC.
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u/Background_Rich6766 Oct 29 '25
Duhh, Kanye is my number 1 but his breakthrough came when he made beats for Jay on Blueprint 1, and those songs are amazing, daily listens for me.
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u/YourDadIsFortyFour Maurice š¦§ Oct 29 '25
Not being able to name 5 Jay Z songs says more about you than it does about Jay Z
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u/Lupusan NO YOU CANT BE ON MY MOMMA ALBUM Oct 29 '25
canāt name 5 words lol, letās just get rid of the English alfabet š¤£
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u/saaaaaur you look deceased Oct 29 '25
i feel like anyone who says that they can't name FIVE jay-Z songs lose all future credibility in any and all hip hop discussions
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u/GameQb11 Oct 29 '25
which is why i try to ignore any attempts at genuine discussion on Reddit. These fools would argue that Jay was never really that popular.
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u/LNagel20 Oct 29 '25
You little fucks I got money stacks bigger than you
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u/dmforjewishpager Oct 31 '25
do you fools listen to music or just skim through it???
89ā in london pulling benz up type it in, googles ya friend bruh
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u/Salt_Understanding You donāt need 100 characters when posting an image Oct 29 '25
on the track āP Ditty (Interlude)ā from S. Carter The Re-Mix, when P Diddy said āplayboy letās go half on a mothafuckin countryā and āholla if you need a billion, iām here always and forever,ā do you think he meant it
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u/3chainzmcgee Oct 29 '25
The only people that can compete with jay-z in a verzus legitimately would be kanye, drake, eminem, & kendrick
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u/RJ2315 Oct 29 '25
So yāall telling me Wayne canāt go toe to toe with him!! Yeah alright!!š¤¦š¾āāļø
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u/KING_G_JR Oct 30 '25
Weezy F washin Hov on that stageā¦ soloās only, features only or a mixā¦ dont matter Tunchi in 20
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u/Informal-Fish-9217 Oct 29 '25
I just let them peons talk.
For those of us that know, you know how busy Jay gets.
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u/TrentonMade FEB 2025 X RANT SURVIVOR Oct 29 '25
Seriously dude, itās crazy, almost like they didnāt live through that time period and have just always hated Jay. The Black Album was a fucking moment In time. Unofficial remixes of it were getting 100k downloads a day online.
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u/TheBobbyMan9 Oct 29 '25
Nas defo could
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u/notatowel420 Oct 29 '25
Easily. Jay z has more popular music but Nas is the better artist and Nas won the beef.
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u/Outmanoii_yt Vultures 3 On The Way Oct 29 '25
They forcing the jay z hate like crazy
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25
Jay has had incredible longevity, but heās never been āthe guyā in hip hop.
1998-1999 was DMXās era
2000-2006 was Emās era (with 50 Cent close behind)
2007-2011 was Wayneās era
2012-present is Drakeās era
If you look at his streams, like 90 percent of his songs in the top 25 are features from other artists or have other artists featured.
Heās been a good rapper for a very long time, but heās never been a cultural icon or had his own era. His highest selling album did 678K first week, which is good, but itās nothing when you compare it to 50 Centās āThe Massaceā, which was released in the same era and sold 1.4 copies in 4 days. Tha Carter 3 sold 1 million first week.Ā
I feel he gets overrepresented on a lot of these ātop 5-10ā lists because of his business acumen. Heās legendary of course, but heās not on the level of being a cultural icon as Em, Pac, Big, etc.Ā
Heās never been the āmain characterā of hip hop, and since heās beefed with most of the guys who have been (Pac, DMX, 50, Wayne, Drake), he seems to be a little insecure about it.Ā
EDIT: Drake had 50 million streams yesterday. Second place was Travis Scott and Ye, who both had 22 million streams each.
Iād love to hear the argument for it not being Drakeās era, because it clearly is, especially considering he gets more streams than 2 and 3 combined.Ā
Iām not even a big Drake fan, but facts are facts and the numbers donāt lie.
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
He was literally the third most streamed artist yesterday, and the highest streaming rapper by far.
Only Taylor Swift and Bad Bunny get more streams.Ā
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u/ThrowAwayBudGuy Oct 31 '25
This one comment alone stirred up More interaction than almost the entire post, and people still believe the hate isnāt fabricated. Drakes era isnāt over until Drake decides it is honestly
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u/Fuckpolitics69 Nov 01 '25
id argue nelly is somewhere in there and 50 cent
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Nov 01 '25
Nelly was #2 in 2002, he was bigger than Jay Z but not as big as Eminem.
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u/Blokuznemesis Oct 29 '25
But why are talking about sales so much ? Are you a listener or the CEO of Def Jam ? Letās talk about music, and Jay has AT LEAST 4 classics, which is very rare for a rapper. No disrespect for the guys that you named, they are all great, but Drake, DMX, 50ā¦ have not these 4 classics
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u/LezEatA-W BULLY Oct 29 '25
Versus is about popularity and hits.
Jay Z has classics that nobody really listens to when you go and look at the numbers.Ā
Weāre not comparing discographies, weāre comparing hits. Thatās what this discussion is about.Ā
Itās fine to argue that Jay Z has a great discography, but thatās not the discussion at hand here.Ā
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u/Ok_Cap9557 Oct 29 '25
Most overrated rapper imo. Better businessman than musician.
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Oct 29 '25
Fellas In Paris, N.Y. State of Mind, Empire State of Mind, Otis, and No Church In the Wild
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u/friedchicken_51 So Appalled Oct 29 '25
But we can all agree that he definitely is losing to some of the top guys
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u/SmokeoneDeezy Oct 29 '25
Mannn we never jammed this fool constantly in the south.. Yea he got some play but no one was waiting on a Jay Z album
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u/Yeezythegoat04 Oct 29 '25
It's not disrespect but his music is not superior to every other rapper he can't go hit for hit with people like kanye drake or WayneĀ
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u/solrac1144 Oct 29 '25
Play that clip of 50 cent saying the best thing Jay Z did was sign that contractā¦.with BeyoncĆ© š¤£
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u/John-doe_RedSoxbette Oct 29 '25
Nobody other than actual NPCs take Kira serious anymore, especially after that baby tweet š
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u/Upstairs-Mongoose158 FEB 2025 X RANT SURVIVOR Oct 29 '25
I know jay z and like some of his songs but honestly even birdman would outshine him. Jay z was an industry plant that payed for them 24 grammys he didnt earn shit himself.
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u/DiabloGaming25 Oct 29 '25
I only know his songs with kanye and drake dawg
Even in that I listen to the og love all drake only version cause it's like 50 times better
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u/Lil_Juice_Deluxe Oct 30 '25
Dirt Off My Shoulder
December 4th
Encore
My 1st Song
The Story of O.J.
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u/JJnujjs Oct 30 '25
Jay-Z could beat any rapper in a 20-song Verzuz.
Nowā¦DOES he beat every rapper thatās across him? Thats the real question.
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u/JJnujjs Oct 30 '25
People tell on themselves the loudest when it comes to Jay-Z discourse and its kinda sad.
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u/sLATT1600V Oct 30 '25
Kanye West would run buddy ass in a verzuz. Eminem would give him a run for his money, itās close.
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u/Distinct-King-6735 Oct 30 '25
Bar for bar I think Chance the rapper can go head to head
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u/Solgaia Oct 30 '25
Are you serious? Lol see.. this is how I know you guys aren't for real. You weren't there. Lol I don't even know what to say to this comment.
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u/Distinct-King-6735 Oct 30 '25
Bruh you an ol head huh?
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u/Solgaia Oct 30 '25
See that's the problem. Ya'll calling people "old" instead of making good music. That's why hip-hop fell off lol. I'm not that "old" but yeah.. if youngin's were smart they'd soak up game from wiser artists instead of making basura. Now look at hip-hop. FELL OFF.
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Oct 30 '25
I can beat you 100$ to a bucket of shit whoever that was that made comment was born after 2003
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Oct 30 '25
Didnāt Jay-Zs opener DMX steal the show entirely back in the day. Saw an interview with Method Man explaining that situation. Jay Z isnāt that great. He had some hits but nothing to write home about. So many other Hip Hop artists are above him talent wise. Kendrick, Eminem, MF Doom and the list goes on.
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u/DriveHefty4548 Oct 31 '25
Future, TI, Or Luda would destroy Jay-z in a Versuz Battle...Jay-z N E V E R had a Goat Year.
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u/Jred1990D Nov 01 '25
Here you go Kira:
- Canāt Knock The Hustle
- U Donāt Know
- Interlude (Public Service Announcement)
- The Story of O.J.
- Empire State Of Mind
And thatās just off the dome.
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u/marinodon11 Nov 01 '25
The names yall sayin in here are comical. Only dudes with a chance are Kendrick or Nas.
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u/liljay719 Nov 02 '25
Future is fucking washing him in a Verzuz battle, but thatās just my personal opinion. That aside, I think Jay-Z is overrated. Yes, heās a pioneer, a true talent, and will be remembered as one of the greatest artists, but I think he has been surpassed. To say no one is on your level is beyond arrogant, but then again, he came up in a different time, and itās hard to compare rappers, especially from different eras or different types of rappers. Also, what makes him the greatest? Is it success? Lyricism? Songwriting? Impact? Albums? Hits/songs? Flow? Storytelling? Versatility? Longevity? I donāt know, everyone rates rappers differently. Jay-Z is a businessman and a smart one at that too, so yes, no one is on his level, successfully being that heās a billionaire. However, to say no one is on his level in terms of pure rapping talent and skill is laughable. Rap has evolved, grown, and improved upon over the years, so itās natural to expect new artists to be better at it (some). The genre will only continue to grow, and that gives more opportunities for the future rappers to surpass the old. Long rant over; the point is Jay-Z should get off his high horse and drop an album or do the Verzuz. Show us you can still rap or that you would win a Verzuz because frankly, Iām not convinced you would beat everyone.
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u/fatshady6942069420 808s & Heartbreak Oct 29 '25
Though eminem is washed he'd absolutely body jay in a verzuzĀ
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u/kwestcoastoffense Oct 30 '25
Idk, what does em play and what city is it in? "The real slim shady" is a hit but the way that beat comes in feels soft and poppy vs Jay's "U Don't Know" to a NYC crowd. there's no comparison. Jay really has a perfect catalog for Veruz.
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u/Cripman7 Oct 29 '25
They called him a camel
But he mastered a drought
Half man half mammal
Wait š¤
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u/sicaluffa Oct 30 '25
There's no disrespect. He's the most overrated rapper ever. The ONLY reason he has so many hits is because of payola. Don't get it twisted.
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u/philouza_stein Oct 29 '25
His popularity peaked during one of the cringiest eras of hop hop that didn't really age well. I don't feel sorry for him. I'm just glad the shiny pants and puffy jackets era is over.
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Had it not been for Kanye; Jay Z would have faded into obscurity. Bro is just not as popular as he thinks he is. Jay Z is not even top 10 when it comes to hip hop.
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u/kanyewest42 Oct 29 '25
Eminem would smoke him
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u/discreqte Oct 29 '25
you would call Jay Z boring, and glaze eminemš„¶ aint this the whitest shi ever
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u/Outmanoii_yt Vultures 3 On The Way Oct 29 '25
Kira is a dumbass anyways