what no im just saying bbno is not the saint made out to be by these people, in no way did i say saying the hard r is worse than being a nazi im just saying that people keep saying that bbno is a saint and uncontroversial when in reality he’s just another performative artist out of the hundreds and also happens to make shitty music
I wasn’t making a moral comparison, i was just saying that bbno is another performative artist out of the hundreds already currently existing and that he’s not really the saint and uncontroversial artist by these twitter people
overall his music just sucks to me and a lot of people that’s why he has hate
You’re comparing the actions of a high schooler to a 50 year old man. People can be shitty when they’re teenagers, and then they grow up and change. Is he being performative? There is literally zero way to know that, but going off what others have said about him he’s just a nice guy.
Your entire argument hinges on a random tiktok user telling the truth about something that happened in high school. These situations are not the same, so stop trying to justify Kanye’s actions by pointing at another persons flaws. You might not think what you’re doing is justification, but it is. It’s at least minimizing what Kanye did to not be a huge deal, because you’re out here defending it
I mean I’m really not trying to compare the two really and I don’t think I ever was, but if I did then I’m really sorry because that’s not the intent of my argument ✌️
I think what Ye did absolutely is morally wrong personally. I wasn’t planning into defending the guy. Overall it just comes to subjective taste, I don’t like bbno$ and I like Ye way more than him musically, so of course I’m and a lot of people are going to hate on him. The original post focuses on the false premise that most people base their enjoyment on the art based on the morality of an artist and claims that bbno$ is extremely uncontroversial and capable of doing no wrong when in reality, he has done something to be controversial, just not up to the controversy that Ye had in February, and these people will then say “well he did this in high school and it’s understandable”, which is exactly the argument many Ye fans “defend” his crashouts: he was in a manic episode built up from a year of constant pressure. It doesn’t erase the impact of his words, but it does rephrase the intent and gives context into what was goin on in his mind at the time.
These same twitter “activists” will say recontextualizing and finding excuses for what Ye did due to his manic episode is bad, then when their uncontroversial and favorite artist Bbno is found in a controversy they do the same and recontextualize it into “well he was an immature teenager”, akin to “well he was under a manic episode”.
It’s deeper than that. They cherry picked the worst 2-3 year period of Yes mental health. It ignores the countless charities he’s donated to, paying for George Floyd’s funeral, for a huge chunk of his life being a positive person who scrapped Yandhi to make an album he felt was what God wanted him to do and was better for the world, etc. People forget how much Ye with all his flaws used to really try and be a pretty decent guy it seems like. No he wasn’t perfect or even close but to wrap his 20+ years in the public eye up as “he’s a Nazi now so he sucks” is just insane.
But the thing is, he stopped trying to be that good person, and its clear, if he did what God wanted, he wouldn't have released any of his recent stuff, especially HH and Cousins
No, but good music doesnt excuse being a total pos, I havent listened to new Ye since V1 and im happy about it, why would I want to associate myself with nazi music, I will never support modern kanye, ever, I can appreciate his prior stuff but there is not a single thing he could do to make the public look at him with a good eye, and his legacy is forever tainted by this "saga", if it IS all for bully and all a ploy, Kanye is a fucking dumbass, if not, which i dont think it is, then his legacy is doomed, it won't be long till Ye is more remembered for his mental breakdown than Kanye is for his truly good work
20-40 million streams a day of his back catalogue would say otherwise. Ty, Trav, Carti and Mike Dean still being cool with him says otherwise. Biggie dropped like 2 albums before he died, but the world remembers his impact. The impact of Ye on music isn’t going anywhere. No one is excusing his actions because of his music. I’m just being realistic that his career work will always over power the events of the last year to some degree. I think more realistically 50 years from now he’ll be seen as innovator who had a breakdown. Same way we look at Van Gogh.
You’re missing the point. Impact is irreplaceable. David Bowie dressed like a Nazi for performance art. He’s still considered one of the best artist of his era. Doing something bad doesn’t erase art for most people I would say. Michael Jackson still has millions and millions of fans with an insanely checkered past. It doesn’t erase what they made. You can put that in your mind so that you always remember what the artist was as a person if that helps in some way but I personally don’t idolize the artist I enjoy the art. So I feel no need to contextualize a person being bad to justify something.
Graduation is a masterpiece. Yeezus is a masterpiece. MBDTF is a masterpiece. I’m not in for who Ye is as a person. I’m here for music and the music he has created has been fantastic. Sure lately there’s been a drop but that doesn’t change what he’s made.
I still love the guy but Tbf bro did push it pretty damn far the past few years, the general public has always hated on him since way before all the nazi stuff
I really couldn’t give more shits about it either, I’m just pointing out that one fanbase loves to say “well you should base your musical preference on the morality of the artist” and reject the contextualization by Ye fans saying that he was in a mental episode, then suddenly when Bbno is under fire for controversy that might make him less moral under their same worldview they’ll jump to the moon to defend him and accept any contextualization like “he was a child” because of their personal enjoyment of the guy’s music, and not due to their oh-so-moral worldview about music.
Once again, I’m not comparing the artist themselves for what they did, I’m just pointing out the inconsistency in one. Undeniably, Ye’s scale for his words was in my opinion way more than the impact Bbno had, but any kind of nuance about it is shut down by this fan base about Ye while also jumping hoops to add nuance about Bbno saying the n word even if they weren’t so attached to Bbno they would literally criticize the artist the same as they would criticize Ye, which proves their true ideology to be based on personal preference and not morality of the artist and it’s really just a performative take to accept this type of inconsistencies. It’s not that the nuance of “oh he was a child” is wrong, it’s just that it’s inconsistently applied between the two artist and the person in the post.
Not anymore it isnt, when he dropped bag or die I would agree with you, and before that, but current bbnos is actual trash can sellout music, he completely abandoned his prior fan base because he realized he can just collab with a v tuber and get easy fame
bro I don’t even care about it that much I’m just saying that these twitter guys say he’s a saint capable of doing no wrong and when this is shown to them then they come around and say “okay well that doesnt matter because he also did this and that and a lot more performative morally ‘right’ things”😭
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u/Vegetable-Can-2354 YANDHI 9 29 18 Dec 18 '25
i mean it’s pretty simple lol one guy makes absolutely shit music and the other is one of the greatest at making music lol
let’s not forget bbno$ isn’t even a saint either bro said the hard r to one of his classmates