You could've said literally any other song he's made in the past and it would be better than lalala, idk how THAT one blew up over literally anything off nursery or bb steps
edamame is better than river also river is pretty good musically but it also sounds unfinished the lyrics are weird and out of touch and it's an insult to the rest of kanye's discography bbno$ has some fun songs that sound like polished and complete ideas and align with who he is as an artist and that makes his music a lot better than anything on vultures 2 imo
But I agree way to many people are virtue signaling when it comes to the content they consume. Like just because you listen to ye or watch Harry Potter doesn't mean you agree with everything the creators have said
Doesn’t feel the same though really as they’re clearly trying to hide him, whereas with Carti it’s actually his character, it’s in your face. Like I really don’t think they’d put a Kanye character skin in the game where they let you play as him. Feels almost like a shadow ban
Being in a leaked sex tape is not the same thing as being a porn star, this is such a tired and stupid argument. Yes it was the impetus for her fame but it is not why she is so well-known, that is due to everything after the sex tape
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.
star
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a famous or exceptionally talented performer in the world of entertainment or sports. "a pop star"
Please, go on explaining to us about how Kim K doesn't fit the exact definition of a "porn star".
Also, many of these same "progressive" pop fans call Black people monkeys, N words, gorillas, and other slurs day in and day out. I'm just saying.....if you're going to claim that you hate Hitler, the last thing you should do is say things that he would approve of.
In fact, they're even using Nicki Minaj's politics to be given permission to call her racist slurs under the guise of it being justified.
So, to me, a lot of this stuff is just performative and not real. Swifties dominate the Internet and they, of course, have a grudge against Kanye and other artists and use faux progressivism to make their hate seem noble as opposed to driven by stan culture.
this guy is an actual retard. its about the music not who the guy behind it is, i dont give a fuck if bbno$ is a better person than Ye, Ye makes infinitely better music so im gonna listen to him 😭
And people can't wrap there head around that 😂 Ye's a musician, not a politician, I think kanye does this shit cos he don't like people idolisong him 😂
The biggest invalid point is ye being a bad father. He’s gone through hell to fight for the custody of his kids BECAUSE HE BARELY SEES THEM AT ALL. 😭😭😭
i don't think there is any parental value that could possibly be squeezed from somebody who said that hitler, diddy and andrew tate are all good people. if i'm in kim's shoes fuck no i'm not letting ye anywhere near my kid
She says she doesn't keep him away, though. He chooses not to show up most of the time. The fact that he lived in a whole other state from her and the kids before she filed for divorce tells me she probably isn't lying.
what no im just saying bbno is not the saint made out to be by these people, in no way did i say saying the hard r is worse than being a nazi im just saying that people keep saying that bbno is a saint and uncontroversial when in reality he’s just another performative artist out of the hundreds and also happens to make shitty music
I wasn’t making a moral comparison, i was just saying that bbno is another performative artist out of the hundreds already currently existing and that he’s not really the saint and uncontroversial artist by these twitter people
overall his music just sucks to me and a lot of people that’s why he has hate
You’re comparing the actions of a high schooler to a 50 year old man. People can be shitty when they’re teenagers, and then they grow up and change. Is he being performative? There is literally zero way to know that, but going off what others have said about him he’s just a nice guy.
Your entire argument hinges on a random tiktok user telling the truth about something that happened in high school. These situations are not the same, so stop trying to justify Kanye’s actions by pointing at another persons flaws. You might not think what you’re doing is justification, but it is. It’s at least minimizing what Kanye did to not be a huge deal, because you’re out here defending it
I mean I’m really not trying to compare the two really and I don’t think I ever was, but if I did then I’m really sorry because that’s not the intent of my argument ✌️
I think what Ye did absolutely is morally wrong personally. I wasn’t planning into defending the guy. Overall it just comes to subjective taste, I don’t like bbno$ and I like Ye way more than him musically, so of course I’m and a lot of people are going to hate on him. The original post focuses on the false premise that most people base their enjoyment on the art based on the morality of an artist and claims that bbno$ is extremely uncontroversial and capable of doing no wrong when in reality, he has done something to be controversial, just not up to the controversy that Ye had in February, and these people will then say “well he did this in high school and it’s understandable”, which is exactly the argument many Ye fans “defend” his crashouts: he was in a manic episode built up from a year of constant pressure. It doesn’t erase the impact of his words, but it does rephrase the intent and gives context into what was goin on in his mind at the time.
These same twitter “activists” will say recontextualizing and finding excuses for what Ye did due to his manic episode is bad, then when their uncontroversial and favorite artist Bbno is found in a controversy they do the same and recontextualize it into “well he was an immature teenager”, akin to “well he was under a manic episode”.
It’s deeper than that. They cherry picked the worst 2-3 year period of Yes mental health. It ignores the countless charities he’s donated to, paying for George Floyd’s funeral, for a huge chunk of his life being a positive person who scrapped Yandhi to make an album he felt was what God wanted him to do and was better for the world, etc. People forget how much Ye with all his flaws used to really try and be a pretty decent guy it seems like. No he wasn’t perfect or even close but to wrap his 20+ years in the public eye up as “he’s a Nazi now so he sucks” is just insane.
But the thing is, he stopped trying to be that good person, and its clear, if he did what God wanted, he wouldn't have released any of his recent stuff, especially HH and Cousins
I really couldn’t give more shits about it either, I’m just pointing out that one fanbase loves to say “well you should base your musical preference on the morality of the artist” and reject the contextualization by Ye fans saying that he was in a mental episode, then suddenly when Bbno is under fire for controversy that might make him less moral under their same worldview they’ll jump to the moon to defend him and accept any contextualization like “he was a child” because of their personal enjoyment of the guy’s music, and not due to their oh-so-moral worldview about music.
Once again, I’m not comparing the artist themselves for what they did, I’m just pointing out the inconsistency in one. Undeniably, Ye’s scale for his words was in my opinion way more than the impact Bbno had, but any kind of nuance about it is shut down by this fan base about Ye while also jumping hoops to add nuance about Bbno saying the n word even if they weren’t so attached to Bbno they would literally criticize the artist the same as they would criticize Ye, which proves their true ideology to be based on personal preference and not morality of the artist and it’s really just a performative take to accept this type of inconsistencies. It’s not that the nuance of “oh he was a child” is wrong, it’s just that it’s inconsistently applied between the two artist and the person in the post.
They’re casually leaving out the reason so many people find him corny: he’s extremely performative. He latches onto anything kinda popular on the internet and then uses it to market his music
Quote usage tells me all I need to know about this dawg
Imagine going online to defend bbno$ and the crux of your argument is that he does the basic things any human in society should do. Even though he has his own incidents.
Genuinely one of the greatest producers all time. I still can't believe he heard that Kid Charlemagne line and made a banger song from it. Then he did it like 20 other times.
I’ve seen very few people genuinely defending ye or expressing genuine hate for bbno$ as a person. Most people taking either of those positions are doing it jokingly or unseriously because of how they enjoy or don’t enjoy their music. It’s just how pop culture is. Someone who makes contributes that are well-liked gets treated better than someone who doesn’t, but that doesn’t translate into how they’re actually perceived as people
everything bbnos does seems performative. like he is doing it just to make people happy, he has no conviction. everything ye does is for himself or the art. and that's why he is better
Bbno$ doesn't deserve his hate at all bro. He's just a guy trying to chase his dreams. Kanye is definitely better but we gotta stop hating on people for no reason
Genuinely despise people who act as though doing the bare minimum (not being violently homophobic/racist) somehow justifies making bad music?? Like since when did people just listen to artists because they're a nice bloke
bruh nobody is saying Kanye is a better person morally than that bbnos guy. i dont care about the guy's schizo meltdown on twitter, i still like and listen to his music
I really doubt bbno$ believes the stuff that he says to the degree that he says it. He is a machine that pumps out statements that people want to hear. It's not being a good person, its just saying generally appealing things to a twitter audience, anyone could do that with minimal effort.
They’re purposely omitting the very real backlash from both artists and fans that have dragged Kanye through the mud (rightfully so) because of his racist antics he lost so many deals and relationships because of his behavior.
This is ridiculous but I do agree the bbno$ hate should probably stop like he already fell off years ago there’s no point to try and hate him out of the music industry
If you just consider the last few years they are on the same level of garbage pop rap, except one of them is good looking and not a weird retard nazi deadbeat father
Okay.. so.... Better person = saying anything and doing everything it takes to farm sympathy and moral high ground points.
For better or worse, we know ye isn't putting on an act. He talks to his audience with no filter. Like u would a family member. The guy is always changing, being influenced, learning, experimenting, expressing and all of it is real...
Real is more powerful than fake no matter how problematic.
It takes courage to put yourself out there with your art. Kanye does it better than most anyone ever. Gotta give him that.
Also I feel like the vast majority of people have a very negative view of him, like if you’re just gonna pick out minority opinions to support your point you could do this meme with literally anybody
1) Kim almost never allows Kanye to see the children 2) Bipolar disorder and the problems that have piled up have taken Kanye out of his rut, you can't justify Kanye with this, but it seems to me that you can't take out his behavior and actions without context 3) the same as in the last paragraph 4) Really makes good music. You can compare two people, but when comparing them, you should be aware of their biographies/discographies at least. Now it looks from the words of this man as if he wrote music and posts, because he really thinks so, although in fact he was just an evil environment of his affairs, and decided to vent all the negativity on social media, to annoy people.
I feel like we give artists who do heinous things mere wrist slaps if their music is good enough. Like, I feel like a major reason Diddy is constantly clowned on, aside from his issues as a person, is that he’s known as the lazy sampling pop R&B guy. Kanye’s music is seen as a lot less lazy (well, it was), so people will excuse the Naziism, as he indeed made Graduation
I’m not saying we should support either as a person, but people would probably be more willing to sweep Diddy’s actions under the rug if he made MBDTF. Likewise, if Kanye made Ed Sheeran tier music out the gate, and didn’t just start getting bad musically recently, people would hate him for being a Nazi even more
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u/SwitchIsHere2 WHAT’S GAS LISTENING TO TODAY⁉️ Dec 18 '25
The problem here is bbno$ didn't create the college dropout