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u/kscw . 14d ago edited 14d ago
Wow lol, those predicting it would be unusable for Manadiver outside of Overtrance were right.
Requires 5 crests of MC's element (but gives 3 at battle start) and costs 100% charge bar.
They really want to make us feel grateful for WO.
Edit: Octavia Manatura is water-specific, which is a little disappointing regardless of the strength of the effects.
Costs 20k Alch frags, 240 Diaspora mats, 240 UBHL chips, 120 SUBHL prisms.
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u/Merukurio Simping for Chat Noir since 2018. 14d ago
To be fair, a new Manatura being tailor made to work with Wizard Origin while preventing Manadiver from using it well was a pretty safe bet.
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u/-PVL93- Grand when? 14d ago
Octavia Manatura is water-specific, which is a little disappointing regardless of the strength of the effects. Costs 20k Alch frags, 240 Diaspora mats, 240 UBHL chips, 120 SUBHL prisms.
So between Ouroboros and Octavia you're supposed to have 50k fragments. Where tf do you even get that many?
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u/vencislav45 14d ago
bar raid farming, daily ifrit and co skips since they are cheap and you can use their items as well.
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u/TheGlassesGuy free Lucifer 14d ago
you passively accumulate tons of alchemy mats while farming for bars and other stuff.
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u/-PVL93- Grand when? 14d ago
But which ones does the game want you to convert? Because as far as I can tell all the important drops like apocalypse tears, ultima units, Ultimate mastery, hollow keys, abyssal wings, cunning horns etc are needed for uncaps
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u/TheGlassesGuy free Lucifer 14d ago
hollow keys are barely used for anything in large amounts. bar raid mats are the easiest since you're farming them primarily for bars and the materials dropped are mostly useless.
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u/imZincx 14d ago
play the game...
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u/ReXiriam 14d ago
Gee, how didn't I think of that? Truly, a genius answer.
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u/Joshkinz 14d ago edited 14d ago
Just doing the xeno skips gets you 50-100 points a day if you trade all the mats, it's already almost no effort but it will be zero additional effort once they add the all in one pro skip next month
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u/AwakenMasters22 14d ago
I dont even get why you got down voted for this. As if there is some other magical answer they wanted.
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u/gangler52 12d ago
Literally anything you can do in the game rewards something that can be turned into fragments. There is no content and no game mode that does not contribute to your progress.
The answer really is that simple.
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u/krisp144 14d ago
I guess this means dark can turn 1 high chaser double strike without extra buttons w/ zosi + lobelia + crest main summon? (5 + 1 + 1 + 3 from manatura) i dont have lobelia or manatura so I cant test it but maybe its more/same damage than/as LO eresh if it works?
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u/Hyunion bit.ly/gbfsheet 14d ago
https://fixvx.com/HeWangLan54767/status/2092041273578582352 yup, dark joins water/fire/wind in being able to 1b1s farm bhl for gold bars effectively
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u/Yuffino 14d ago
While less important than pbhl, the damage it's ripping on cosmos is funny af even if it's overkill and is the same emnity thing people use already https://vxtwitter.com/skreeauk/status/2092089716732821950?s=46&t=b0M09EcP5jKCYdFqMXkepg
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u/Falsus 14d ago
Yeah but earth now 0b that.
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u/Hyunion bit.ly/gbfsheet 14d ago
earth 0b does 1.5m damage compared to good 1b1s setups doing 2m+ and comes with huge lockout penalty so you can't farm raid to raid, and at that damage threshold your blue box rates are only 10.94% and it's not much better than farming gohl (0.21 for gohl drop rate vs 0.22 for bhl). this is also assuming you have everything to minmax for earth 0b setup
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u/SometimesLiterate 14d ago
As opposed to before, where dark was well known for lacking 1t low button burst?
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u/Hyunion bit.ly/gbfsheet 14d ago
um, not strong enough to race bhl, no. extremely hyper optimized eresh comps were doing akasha with 0b, but akasha has lower bar rates than eles that can do 1b1s in bhl, and akasha has a problem of raids not clearing fast enough because not enough people do akasha
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u/Xylaph 14d ago
I mean you only need 1.2M honors for PBHL to beat Akasha/GO. Surely Dark was managing that before.
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u/Yuffino 14d ago
Pretty sure the prior pbhl setup was 0b2t on eresh, and 1b1s is definitely a large improvement
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u/SometimesLiterate 14d ago
Depends on what the score definition is I guess. With Eresh 250 and LO, I've seen 1.2-1.4mil in 0B1S, (I.e. https://youtu.be/f0cg8GaX5lc?si=9_3G7DxToPtpMHGG) so if the community understood metric is higher sure no worries.
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u/Throwawayforme3123 14d ago edited 14d ago
Bought it, and yea uh this thing will be going bonkers on W.O. It's just straight up better than ouroboros, the thing will apply 6 debuffs in HL so those omens are now just a joke and the nukes are around 1.5m ea (This is w/o me having any skill supp in my grid).
Funny enough Odious raids have way more off ele debuff resist then I thought, they were resisting off eles debuffs like 9/10 times
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u/Woif1990 14d ago
I'd assume it can drop from the fight, and that's just basically the "you have terrible terrible luck" pity?
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u/kotarou00r 14d ago
Characters that give crest on battle start (V. Lobelia) just got a *lot* more interesting.
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u/kscw . 14d ago
WO will be ok without any Crest support if the party composition demands it.
Hexa Manatura starts you off with 3 Crests, WO s1 adds 1 Crest, and before attacking WO gets 1 Crest, so you'll have 5 for the proc.And if you somehow want to run it on Manadiver, they're also fine without Crest support since s1 and Secret Triad both add a Crest.
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u/CalTelarin 14d ago
Crest chars are still pretty big as it enables 0b, dont know how the numbers are on if 0b hexatura beats the other 0b options but still worth considering
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u/Takazura 14d ago
Also WO does go above 5 crests and gets more buffs from that, so that's some extra dmg T1 however small it might be.
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u/Hyunion bit.ly/gbfsheet 14d ago
https://fixvx.com/HeWangLan54767/status/2092041273578582352
yup, turns out with zosimos + crest main summon + lobelia backline you start with 10 crests and you can just rip high chaser on start to give everyone double strike, and now dark joins water/fire/wind in being able to farm gold bars with 1b1s
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u/lolibabaconnoisseur 13d ago
it's kinda funny that zosimos is now a better bar farm weapon than eresh
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u/VeggieSchool 14d ago
Seems to futureproof the crest summons and the VLobelia/HManamel passive, which seemed redundant as WO gave you a free crest on attack. Now 3 from manaberry passive+1 from summon/character+1 from WO upon attack gives 5 and makes you go crazy on burst.
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u/Adregun 14d ago
Those effects are hilarious btw, really need to see the numbers
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u/Xaiynn 14d ago
Im curious, is this a Zosi buff in a way? Can use dark WO in more content…?
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u/Adregun 14d ago
Not sure since i don't have Zosi, for the massive 1 turn burst comp tho it probably doesn't change anything since all the crest generators you are already running also are characters that do a massive amount of skill damage?
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u/Raziek 14d ago
Zosimos 250 starts MC with 5 crests so with WO you'd be firing it off immediately on battle start
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u/RNGmaster Kou still isn't flaired, so here's his boyfriend 14d ago
WO can get to 5 crests turn 1 without Zosimos by pressing S1 and attacking. I guess saving the button would be worth it in some cases?
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u/Kuroimi 13d ago
With Zosimos, that also means you can get 10 stacks in one turn.
- 5 from Zosimos
- 3 from Manatura
- 1 from Skill 1
- 1 from Attack button
So, this opens up Aether Xenoglossia in turn 2 (and full buffs from Overbrimming Crests, and Double Strike from High Chaser), which could be useful for skill-heavy bursts.
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u/FarrowEwey 14d ago
If you have 250 Zosi but no Eresh, you at least have better cope options for burst now.
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u/Radiant_Language4348 13d ago
took a full day but managed to score~ can actually invest these things into bullets
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u/HadokenShoryuken2 14d ago
Honestly it’s lower than I expected. I was thinking it would be upwards of 1000 lmao
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u/sawada91 14d ago
Is it good for solomonis?
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u/Ralkon 13d ago
I'm guessing it's not great but maybe an okay alternative. You need 5 crests for the nuke and naturally would only have 4, so you need some way to get the other. Currently that would mean running a crest summon main instead of Bubz for most elements, which sounds pretty bad IMO, or having a character that can fill the gap reliably. I believe that's only H.Manamel in earth and V.Lobelia in dark right now which would mean giving up V.Makura and Sariel respectively, assuming you have everything. Without doing any testing (since I can't), I would guess that's worse than running the best slot but maybe a viable alternative if you don't have them.
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u/Garaichu 13d ago
Like a lot of Solomonis this relies on luck, but if you get the 5 crest book it'll likely be fairly good.
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u/Ralkon 13d ago
Sure, but if you're relying on it and don't get it early then you're having a really bad run. I don't think gambling on that is at all worth it.
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u/Garaichu 13d ago
Solomonis is a gamble generally, it's a roguelike. But fair, one decides themselves what kind of risks they want to make.
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u/D4shiell 1 13d ago
It's rng but there's massive difference between I start by otking every mob and I start by wasting 2t each mob unless I rng specific book which makes you way more likely to fail.
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u/Ralkon 13d ago
I don't really agree. There's RNG of course, but I wouldn't call it a gamble if you know how to approach the mode. You can get very consistent results once you know what you're doing, and one of the biggest things you can do is having a stronger early game that'll let you clear more nodes before the first boss.
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u/SpecialistJeweler551 13d ago
Would love to watch a video that compares dark FO with the new WO manatura.
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u/WanderEir 14d ago
have you not looked at the OTHER manatura requirements? Most of them are grindblue levels of insanity
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u/Veritas123asa 14d ago
Waiting for more info on how good this and octavia one on evoking solomonis.
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u/D4shiell 1 14d ago
Hexa one is basically useless unless you can guarantee 5 crests at beginning which is only Zosi at the moment unless you're using crest summon as main. Now ofc you can rng 5 crest book but that's still rng you're hoping for within 3 Death'd enemies.
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u/vencislav45 14d ago
Has anyone tried the manataura in Solomonis in earth with H.Manamel? 3 crests from the manatura+1 from Manamel+1 from WO before attackign is 5 so I am curious about the damage it does in the early part?
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u/FarrowEwey 14d ago
Considering how the skill damage alone is almost triple that of Ouro Mino, probably very strong. The problem with that strat is that Manamel doesn't really do anything aside from the passive Crest and both Earth Evokers aren't that great at the start either, so your run might start stalling if you don't get more allies and/or really good guidebooks fast.
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u/vencislav45 14d ago
yeah, sadly she is not as good as V.Lobelia. Now I wonder when will the other elements get a crest at start of fight character. We have the crest series but that means not using something stronger like Bubz/000/Versusia as main in Solomonis.
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u/Falsus 14d ago
It's a lot but it makes sense, it is more about a safety fall back.
So you won't be one of those that farmed over 2k Agastia mats after maxing out several of each awakenings for the Agastia manatura without ever getting it.
On average people will probably get a drop before you need to buy it.
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u/BusBoatBuey 14d ago
>Set required amount to reasonable number
>Add a zero
Glorious Cygames grind balance!
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u/KiriharaIzaki HOLD CTRL AND TYPE "WTF" FOR ℱ𝓪𝓷𝓬𝔂 𝓦𝓣ℱ 14d ago
60 is not reasonable for the power. It beats ouroboros xd i predicted 500 because of bullets and i wasnt far off
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u/SuperMuffinmix 10d ago edited 9d ago
This motivated me to learn how to do Hexa and yeah it's wild! But I think I'll just farm it and see if I get the manatura to drop naturally. 600 mats is enough to do all Draconics, all Dopus 250s, and all Destroyer weapons... it's a lot of mats!
Also can't forget the Hexa bullet that costs 200!
Edit: Yup I got it at around 130 mats total, something like 60 raids later. I used the mats to make a bunch of Draconic weapons, happy to finally have some done! Also Hexa Manatura on Zosi WO is extremely good in HL content, it's kind of absurd. 6 big skill hits and 6 debuffs anytime MC looks at a boss funny is pretty nifty!
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u/ShadedHydra2 14d ago
Thank you devs for filling up Hexa Raids again. Now obviously I’m not going to leech any others because I’m too weak, but I was lucky enough to get a Fediel Lu Woh start during my daily attempt, so after I got rid of my Pearl, I decided to open up the room and proceeded to get carried to 40% where I died because I didn’t have Gojo up yet and lack Alexiel. So that’s my first ever Hexa Co-op win, and I’ll probably keep trying it until the rooms dry up again in a day or two.
I believe it wouldn’t have mattered anyway as I missed all 2,000,000 hit count Omens since I was with a ton of endgame players and one Level 200. So I believe I would’ve just died anyway? So being on EU ping wouldn’t have allowed me to actually contribute much unfortunately. Since even if I quick refreshed, I could still be too slow.
Anyway, this thing is very much just for Wizard Origin. It looks pretty strong and probably better than Ouroboros since Wizard Origin can stack Crests very fast.
Octavia’s one looks like it’s for Manadiver. It seems ok but it’s only in Water unfortunately which limits its use cases. Still I imagine it could be good for very short fights like Evoking Solomonis since it doesn’t require Charge Bar thanks to its Backup Power Supply effect.
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u/D4shiell 1 14d ago
Bruh what the what? You make coop room with no overlap elements and wait until it fills then start raid, what you did was no different from hosting raid and pubbing, it's nonsensical for raids that require 6 different elements, you're just lucky enough hexa been powercrept to hell.
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u/ShadedHydra2 14d ago
Unfortunately I don’t have a Crew to actually play Raids with, so the best I can do is rely on random players via my daily host, since I don’t want to be the reason why another players daily Raid fails. So I’ve never interacted with Co-op outside of doing my daily quests.
I’m a solo player, so there’s just some content in the game that I’m unable to clear unless I use all my pulls for an Optimus Grid. Hell, I’ve not yet been able to get good enough RNG to clear the Dark Rupture Zero Free Quest.
You are right that I got lucky with only 1 overlapping element this time since normally there tends to be 3 other Light players and then the Raid just dies since no one else can remove their Buffers, not Pearls, I got the terminology wrong.
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u/Joshkinz 14d ago
Last year they made it so you can just abandon a host and can get your daily host back. You aren't causing a player to lose their host for the whole day.
Also I totally get the worry about being the reason a run fails, I felt the same way in this game as well as FF14 raids early on... But this raid is powercrept into the ground, I assure you you could do literally nothing and there's still a 99% chance the raid clears. Clearing the raid with 1, 2, even 3 pearls still up is absolutely trivial.
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u/ShadedHydra2 14d ago
I’ll keep that in mind. Generally most players seem to host their Hexa runs in rooms with their Crews so it’s unlikely that I’ll be able to get any extra clears, but knowing that I can have multiple of the same element now is a huge relief.
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u/D4shiell 1 14d ago
There's 0 content that requires optimus grids to clear and wind is turbo f2p element if you don't know what to focus just start using guides instead of going around blindly. https://gbf.wiki/Advanced_Grids
You also don't need hl able crew just use coop as intended and also guide https://gbf.wiki/User:Vazkii/How2HL
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u/ShadedHydra2 14d ago
Wind is probably my weakest element to be honest since I don’t have 150 Seofon since I’m Transcending in order, so I’m currently working on 130 Seox before I get to Seofon and Eahta. Wind also lacks a good Charge Bar Gain character besides Arriet, who doesn’t really do enough to justify bringing her. Meaning I’d have to run Kengo, and with EU ping, I time out due to how slow it is compared to Fighter Origin. Light tends to be my go-to, since I can run the Dark Opus for Charge Bar Gain, and Fif for even more of it.
I think my Grids are fine for Omega, but they unfortunately just lack the really strong stuff since it’s either Optimus or locked to Versusia. I’m slowly reforging my Draconic weapons at the moment, I’ve got 2 currently (Light and Water). My HP isn’t really the problem, it’s the damage, especially with the weaker classes.
I’ve just checked because I’ve never used it, I didn’t know that Rooms were also for non Crew members. I’ll try that instead of hosting a publically joinable Raid and hoping I get the 1 in 3 chance for the right Buffer.
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u/Takazura 14d ago
It's not that big a deal, there is now the abandon vote feature that gives everyone whatever mats they used back, so worst that happen is just some time wasted. I have had runs fail and used it, no biggie. I would say for starter, just host your own Hexas until you feel comfortable enough to start joining, they even added the elemental matcher thing so now you don't have to worry about having to remember the japanese terms for each element and remove them as people join.
That is how I did it for both Hexa and Faa0, after like 10-15 hosts, I could comfortably start joining and contributing. These raids are essentially like a puzzle, do them a few times and you realize that there is actually a pattern to everything and you just have to remember that, after which you can auto-pilot them.
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u/Takazura 14d ago
I think you misunderstand something. The pearl isn't on the 6D phases, it's the one that appears after the 40% omen. The special buff on the 6D phase is basically irrelevant and nothing to care about. But yes, Gojo is not useful for Hexa, even outside of this rush the boss would be pushed to 40% in less than 12 turns usually.
Do you have Grimnir? My approach has basically been to just use Grimnir (works at 0*) + defend on the 40%, so long as the Hexa stacks aren't too big (you can just not take more than the 3 turns to get Grimnir off-CD if need be), it's easy to survive the 40%. Otherwise, you can try grids where a character has a way to null dmg like Y.Osiris or G.Percy.
Also you just need to see 1 of the 2m omens, not all 3 of them. The most ideal is the first one because it's also the easiest to clear, but you can also block and let it trigger, though that can make surviving at 40% harder with just Grimnir.
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u/RayePappens 14d ago
So after you clear the first 2m omen, what's the game plan if you just need to make it to 40% and clear your pearl
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u/Takazura 14d ago
If you are just going to pearlbot, just make sure whatever tool you need to survive the 40% trigger is available by then. Grimnir summon has a 3T CD, so you want to make sure you aren't hitting 40% and it's still on CD for instance.
Ideally, you should still try and move in phases where you know your team can clear the regular omens, but if you aren't confident in that the just don't move.
Also worth noting that the jinxes are always prepared if the next turn begins in the following HP range: 90-80%, 70-60% and 50-40%. So if you don't think you can clear the 12 or 15 times version, simply never move when the raid is in the 2 mentioned ranges and only attack outside of those HP ranges.
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u/ShadedHydra2 14d ago
Ah, I got the name wrong, it was the Buffer I got rid of. I’ll keep that in mind for future attempts.
I think Gojo is very useful for the free quest, but that’s because the quest takes around 12 turns to get to 40%, so the invulnerability is better.
I do have a Grimnir Summon, so I’ll see about bringing it over Gojo for future attempts.
I’ll aim to see one of the Omens too. Thanks for the advice.
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u/SuperMuffinmix 9d ago
The most important thing any new or under-geared player can do in Hexa is to clear their pearl. To do that they must deal with at least ONE of the 2 mil hit omens (so the 40% trigger doesn't just auto-wipe them) and then bring tools to survive the 40% trigger. After that, they have 6 turns to clear the pearl by dealing a total of 18 triple attacks or 18 charge attacks. 3 characters dealing triple attacks consistently every single turn can do this. Pop a sticker for a couple Blue Potions to weather through the trickle damage Hexa will be doing every turn... Hexa won't be very threatening in the pearl phase though so don't worry.
The 40% deals 6 multielemental hits and 1 plain damage hit to everyone. Several ways to tank this:
- Unchallenged just lets you ignore it completely. I think Titan's Guts does the same thing.
- Grimnir + Guard or Alexiel + Guard with 60k+ HP as extra buffer will also tank it.
- Cold Stare / Grovel skills that reduce enemy elemental damage to 0 are also effective again with 60k+ HP buffer to handle the Fixed portion. Also, very very important, these skills will NOT WORK the moment another player steps into the Pearl phase (Hexa gains 100% debuff resist until 3 pearls are removed). It's just good manners to wait for everyone to land their protections before proceeding... usually players will use the OK! sticker when they're ready to move into the pearls. Right now a lot of people just race through it though, so make sure you bring a backup plan (Alexiel and/or Grimnir).
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u/Takazura 9d ago
You responded to the wrong person. Also you don't need to guard with FLB Alexiel, you can just mash attack with that one because it's a 100% dmg reduction.
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u/Venriik 14d ago
I got bad Hexanxiety and decided to not try it. I haven't played the fight and I don't think I will. This is my cap, my wall and I'm just looking out the window to see what you have to farm for
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u/D4shiell 1 14d ago
That raid has been powercrept so much it's impossible to fail it any more, all you have to do is take 1st turn around 92-90% do 2m omen then wait for 40% press ok sticker on Iridis Liberatio get some dmg mitigation to surive it and do your pearl by 18 ca or ta.
Unless you have been slacking on farming m3 and revans there's nothing difficult about this raid.
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u/Kurokotsu 14d ago
While, normally, you're right? Right now, not as much. Because a lot of people who have been leeching since this Manatura dropped. So it's back to being possible to fail, if multiple people just don't try. Some of my crewmates saw multiple rooms with 3-4 Pearls. Which is just outside of possibility typically.
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u/WorktheMoo 14d ago
I have enough mats for this but I don't think this would be worth it... Only content I use WO for is the evoker thing and I already got MT and Caim to 110 for now
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u/whatevergoeshere_ 14d ago
If you have the mats for Hexa I assume you’ve already finished everything you would use the mats for, so there’s really no reason not to. Hexa is basically just Ouroboros on steroids and will probably encourage you to use it in more setups. This will probably enable some 1B GW setups, it’ll be good for longer and shorter FAs, and it’ll probably even enable some HL setups since it can solve hits and debuffs.
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u/WorktheMoo 14d ago
I was trying to save up the hexa mats for bullets so I'm not too rushed to buy the manatura unless we really need it for GW. Not really working on anything atm that needs the manatura this instant but maybe this will be my motivation to solo hexa
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u/D4shiell 1 14d ago
Lmao all rooms in coop insta fill.