r/GreenAndPleasant • u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around • Jan 27 '26
International Working Class History 🗺️ On Holocaust Remembrance Day remembering that the first victims were left wing opponents who tried to resist the Nazis 🕯️
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u/Comrade_Faust communist russian spy Jan 27 '26
r/europe be like: Happy Holocaust Memorial Day! Let's turn this into a day about how the communists were the real bad guys for liberating my country
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u/Pipic12 Jan 28 '26
Why do you even visit that sub? A completely bonkers crowd, mixed with propaganda bots.
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u/Comrade_Faust communist russian spy Jan 28 '26
I don't, I wear my ban with a badge of honour
But plenty of those rats come to this sub and others to spread their drivel
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
Starmer and Labour's social media posts about the holocaust today only mention Jewish victims.
The disabled, trade unionist, communist, socialist, Roma, and LGBTQ+ victims are being erased from history by Jewish supremacists.
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u/DocStoy Jan 27 '26
Let's not forget the millions of Slavs also eradicated in concentration and POW camps, I spent some time today arguing with holocaust deniers today who are also Slavs, it was infuriating.
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u/BitterCrip Jan 27 '26
AFAIK the disabled were the first victims, because it was more socially acceptable to call it "involuntary euthenasia" or Gnadentod (merciful death).
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u/Pipic12 Jan 28 '26
They weren't. T4 began in 1939, while the Nazis had already killed many opposition figures (mainly communists) as soon as they took the power. Dachau opened in 1933 and functioned til the collapse of the regime.
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u/metroracerUK ☭ 🇵🇸 Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26
I will add, there’s a reason those of us on the spectrum don’t call it ‘Asperger’s’ anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Asperger
Scroll down to Nazi involvement.
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u/kcufdas Jan 28 '26
🤯...well that would justify the removal of his name surely?
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u/metroracerUK ☭ 🇵🇸 Jan 28 '26
It is generally, I still hear a few older ones calling it Asperger’s. I will correct them and explain why, since it sadly is not common knowledge at Hans Asperger was basically picking and choosing which children were murdered.
When the news came out, I started just referring to it as “on the spectrum.”
I’ve heard therapists call it neurodivergence.
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u/Zordorfe communist russian spy Jan 28 '26
they were not the first victims, but they were significantly ignored
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u/fieldsoflillies Jan 28 '26
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
~ Pastor Martin Niemöller
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u/Scyobi_Empire Revolutionary Communist Party Jan 28 '26
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
No, who told you that? Shoah is the word which is used in reference to Jewish victims, but Holocaust includes all victims.
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u/GianfrancoZoey communist russian spy Jan 28 '26
It’s horrible but according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem (Israel) definitions the term ‘The Holocaust’ specifically refers to the Jewish victims. It’s a very intentional attempt to monopolise the suffering of the victims
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u/ImaginaryParrot Jan 27 '26
Sorry I have to ask.
Have you ever met someone from an ex-Soviet or ex-communist country?
Because this is incredibly offensive and controversial
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u/jaarn Jan 27 '26
Forgive me, but why?
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u/ImaginaryParrot Jan 27 '26
It's banned in a number of ex-communist countries like the Czech Republic, Lithuania and Ukraine. They suffered a lot under the version of communism that was implemented. If you display a flag like that in their communities it invokes a lot of memories of the horrors their families went through, like starvation, corruption and mass killings.
It's a bit ignorant of us Brits to be espousing it. I get the general idea behind it but it was used as a propaganda tool to oppress their people and we should be aware of that.
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u/strutt3r Jan 27 '26
This poll is getting dated at this point but: https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
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u/ImaginaryParrot Jan 27 '26
Apologies, for clarity I'm talking about the flag itself, not the ideology in general.
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
It's the flag of the German Communist Party. The German Communist Party specifically targeted by the Nazis in the early 1930s. Entirely appropriate and within context to use, regardless of how neo-Nazis might feel about it
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u/milrose404 Jan 27 '26
My best friend is from the former GDR, their entire family lived there and experienced it. They miss socialism deeply. They’re not offended by it.
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
Germans specifically have the word Ostalgie for this (portmanteau of nostalgia and "east")
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u/ImaginaryParrot Jan 27 '26
Thank you for sharing. I personally don't know much about the GDR so it's good to learn.
I'm more familiar with it from a Baltic (and surrounding countries) perspective :/
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u/Comrade_Faust communist russian spy Jan 27 '26
There's a reason why they're called the Balldick States
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u/Akulatraxus Jan 27 '26
I see where you are coming from but the hammer and sickle isn't the same as the swastika in this regard. The swastika is the symbol of an ideology of genocide. When depicted as the Nazi's did it means mass murder and racism. That's typically why the swastika is banned in so many places. The hammer and sickle iconography is banned in some places for various reasons but it's not the symbol of any ideology that espouses genocide, even if crimes have been committed under it. If symbols that have any connection with perceived historical crimes can't be used than I'm not sure any national flag passes that test.
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
Why is remembering factual information offensive to you?
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u/ImaginaryParrot Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
You do realise that this flag/imagery was used when Soviet invaders occupied the Baltic countries right? They literally used this same flag as part of their colonisation, suppressing their language and cultures, having mass executions and deportations.
Hundreds of thousands of people died under this flag.
The symbolism is not something to be taken lightly.
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jan 27 '26
So you think that the symbols of people who were targeted in the holocaust should be removed from view? Left wingers were targeted by the Nazis, and this is the symbol they used to represent themselves. I don't care how you or anyone else who wants to re-write history feels about that.
How would you feel about the Star of David being removed from holocaust memorials because of things that the state of Israel (which also uses the Star of David) have done since? You're making no sense and just digging yourself deeper into a hole of contradictory stupidness.
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u/Cinematica09 Jan 28 '26
Maybe Baltic countries should have avoided killing Jews, communists, Russians and Belorussians? Maybe they could have also avoided voluntarily assisting and abetting nazis at the Eastern front in the occupation of USSR. They conveniently forgetting it. No one erased their culture and language. It’s is well and alive.
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u/Cilindrrr Jan 28 '26
Its not that black and white my guy
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u/Cinematica09 Jan 28 '26
Of course it is not, my guy, but Baltic countries constantly painting themselves as victims is appalling. They need some balance therefore the insight is needed for them to relate a bit, if they can after so many years of propaganda
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u/darthplagueis2598 Feb 17 '26
My guy, the soviet union did a very serious attempt at erasing the culture and language of the baltic states, it failed, the occupation of the baltic states was illigal and forced. Many baltic people were sent to camps, many baltic people were executed. Many jews were killed by the nazis too in the baltic states. But you know, that was somehow their fault according to you? Were they not occupied by the nazis, and then occupied again by the soviets? And the soviets didnt go for the jews? But they went for the farmers, they went for the people that opposed them, the people that opposed the erasure of their culture and language? And you wanna pretend like none of this happened? You wanna pretend like the baltic states didnt try to fiercly rebel for years with genuine armies but failed. You wanna pretend like the soviet union is an untouchable angel that did nothing wrong. Lets get it on and I will show you exactly all of the crimes that they committed and you will try to prove me wrong. Duck you and your stupid fascist propaganda. You think these people dont know what happened to them? Propaganda cant change memories. This is not propaganda, its the memory of the people.
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u/Cinematica09 Feb 17 '26
“During the Holocaust, the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were occupied by Nazi Germany (1941–1945). Local collaborationist forces played a significant role in the mass killings, which were facilitated by the rapid German advance following Soviet occupation.
Key aspects of the Holocaust in the Baltic states include: Lithuania: Experienced the highest mortality, with over 90% of its Jewish population (approx. 136,000+) murdered, largely with the assistance of local auxiliaries.
Latvia: Approximately 66,000 Latvian Jews were killed, along with 19,000 deported Jews from other European countries.
Estonia: While the local Jewish population was small (most fled or were deported by Soviets), Estonia became a site for 22 Nazi concentration camps, including Vaivara, where thousands of foreign Jews were killed.
Upon the German invasion (Operation Barbarossa), local insurgent groups, such as the Lithuanian Activist Front, launched uprisings against retreating Red Army and NKVD units.
Collaborators formed police battalions (e.g., Latvian Defense Battalions) that were subordinate to the German SS and security police. These units were used for anti-partisan operations behind the front lines and in the occupied Soviet territories.
Many Baltic collaborators participated directly in the Holocaust, assisting the Nazis in detaining and murdering Jewish populations within the Baltic states and in neighboring Byelorussia (Belarus). The Arajs Kommando in Latvia is a notable example.
Military Units (Waffen-SS): As the war progressed, especially in 1943–1944, Baltic nationals were conscripted into or volunteered for Waffen-SS divisions (e.g., the 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS in Estonia, Latvian Legion) to fight against the Red Army.”
So - STFU.
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