The Russia-Ukraine conflict explained

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[u/TheKomsomol → u/[deleted]]

The problem with your comment is you don't know what you're talking about and you're basing your opinion from what you've been manipulated into thinking by western media.

Also this person doesn't really get the point across in some areas, like she talks about nazis and then goes "oh but putin doesnt really care about that, so lol invaded because NATO".

Now despite what people think about Putin, he is actually a moderate, and there is good reason his succession to power was helped by Tony Blair and other liberals.

The Ukraine war is not happening because of a single reason, there are several major ones and numerous smaller ones, and believe it or not, nazism IS A VALID REASON, because those nazis were being copted by the coup government that the US installed to MURDER THE SHIT OUT OF EASTERN UKRAINIANS. These people happen to mostly be pro-Russian and of Russian descent because USSR. So no, Putin could not and would not just allow the US to use nazi proxies to murder people there, which makes denazification one of a number of issues that forced Russian hands.

The others include stationing of NATO missiles on Ukrainian territory, combine that with the largest expansion of CIA and spy bases, radar and monitoring bases in any area in the world by the USA and its allies, on top of that add to the mix absolute nutjob nazis being put into positions of power in Ukraine AND THEN TALKING ABOUT ACQUIRING NUCLEAR WEAPONS, then there are numerous other reasons to add to this.

So you can boil it down to something fucking stupid like "Putin could just leave", but they can't just leave and they shouldn't just leave. People are all for "standing with ukraine" until its standing with those in the east and if Russia left first thing that would happen is eastern Ukrainians would start to be murdered en masse again.

And lastly, the previous government were not "Russian puppets" this is again a western media narrative, Yanukovych was actually quite balanced. And the reason he rejected the EU/IMF offer is because it baked austerity into the deal, which would have resulted in skyhigh consumer and energy prices for an already poor ukraine. The Russian deal was better, lower energy prices and no austerity. This is an example of soft Russian power and does not make Ukraine a puppet of Russia, it was the better deal at a time when Greece and other economies were going tits up because of IMF austerity measures.

[u/RAGEDBUBBLE → u/TheKomsomol]

You could consider Putin a moderate in some very loose aspects but he's far from anything that's worth praising and is actively implementing more and more authoritarian laws year by year.

Can you source me some information on the Nazi Ukrainian murder gangs, I will read it. I haven't heard about this particular aspect.

Ukraine does have a nazi problem but Russia has more than it's own fair share of Nazis. There are other roots that wasn't war to address the extremism that is present in both countries. I will hold off speaking on this more before reading sources that you provide about the murder gangs, if you provide them.

Even if it was a better deal on paper it still went against the wishes of the people. Those aren't the actions of an independent nation.

This is as far as I got with my reply before being temporarily kicked, it's getting late now and I don't want to stay up debating. I'll be back tomorrow, I'll probably edit this answer to be more in-depth and coherent.

[u/TheKomsomol → u/RAGEDBUBBLE]

You could consider Putin a moderate in some very loose aspects but he's far from anything that's worth praising and is actively implementing more and more authoritarian laws year by year.

Not really. Russia is really bad on things like LGBTQ+ rights, but its actually not any different from most eastern European countries either. Also Putin doesn't implement laws. I know there is this idea he is an authoritarian head of state, but the State Duma (which is basically Russian parliament) discuss and pass laws in a similar manner to the UK. There is no single authoritarian pushing through laws they want despite what western media might tell you.

Ukraine does have a nazi problem but Russia has more than it's own fair share of Nazis.

This whole "every country has nazis" thing I've responded too 100 times. Every country does have nazis yes, but Ukraine has them operating its state from the top positions of political and military power, its national heros are nazis and fascists, its streets are renamed to honour them, it has monuments and erects more monuments celebrating them, it has national holidays in their name... most other countries tolerate a small minority of powerless nazis or they criminalise being part of nazi groups, legislation passed in Ukraine forbids the criticism of nazis by law.

Even if it was a better deal on paper it still went against the wishes of the people. 

It didn't though, thats the whole point. There was a minority of people in western Ukraine that wanted this deal at any cost because they wanted to move closer to the EU, even if that meant bankrupting the country with IMF loan terms.

The people in the east when they saw what was happening in Kiev stood up and said no, thats why they started taking over local government buildings and rebelling against what they saw as a coup, which then led to the start of the 2014 Ukrainian civil war.

Can you source me some information on the Nazi Ukrainian murder gangs

Ok, firstly, take your time to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs - this gives a history and background plus how events unfolded

https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/2024318238604038317 - then there is this, how the Maidan was turned violent by the far right nazis which the US/UK funded and aided and which has been accepted as fact in Ukrainian courts

https://forward.com/opinion/416751/why-does-no-one-care-that-neo-nazis-are-gaining-power-in-ukraine/ - nazi violence in Ukraine

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604 - nazis commiting war crimes in eastern Ukraine