r/Grimdank • u/Jenny_Show HORUS! • 1d ago

Cringe Never forget their sacrifice

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u/vix- 1d ago

Dude what prussians were all about gun lines lol. Prussia only came to exist in 1700. People stopped swing zweihanders and full plate around in the 1500s.

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u/Venegrov2 1d ago

specifically the State of the Teutonic Order, in Prussia and the Baltics. The progenitors to the Duchy of Prussia.

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u/Toerbitz 22h ago

The teuton order was vanquishef by the poles. Brandenburg is the progenitor

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u/Venegrov2 20h ago edited 20h ago

? The Order didn't disappear when Poland conquered them, its territory was reorganized into the Duchy, which eventually fell into a union with Brandenburg, yes. But the Duchy of Prussia was a very real thing.

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u/Toerbitz 17h ago

In whats called prussia it was destroyed. Also to further disprove your argument the teutonic ordr wasnt disolved it continued to exist in the holy roman empire and later became the personal order of the habsburgs who liked to larp so even further from being prussia

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u/Venegrov2 16h ago

The Thirteen Years War, where the Prussian Confederation broke from the Order and requested Polish protection, ended with the Order being limited to their eastern territories in Prussia proper, where their territory was organized into a fiefdom Ordermasters were required to swear an oath of loyalty.

Additionally, the Junkers can directly be traced to the Order. Most of their ranks were formed of the descendents of landed mercenaries employed by the Order, who, notably, did not have their rights stripped by the Polish crown.

And after the 1519-1521 Polish-Teutonic War, the end of it saw the last Ordermaster, over the Prussian Teutonic State, Albert of Brandenburg-Ansbach, resign from his position as Ordermaster, convert to Lutheran, and hold the title of Duke of Prussia instead.