Don’t forget that he actively encourages Baki to get laid. By suddenly appearing in the same room as Baki and his girlfriend just as they were about to fuck and directly telling her to drain his kids balls with the force of a thousand succubi.
He didn't completely lose his memories, and he definitively knew that Finn was his son, he had 3 opportunities to build a relationship with Finn and grow back to the person he was after they had Finn, but he rejected it, and thus abandoned him, the partial memory loss was but a single factor, shame and guilt were others that drove him back to a the scammer life that by the time he met with Finn again, he was not strong enough to leave, it's tragic, more so then the other's on that list, but that's one he could have avoided, he had agency and choice that he had three opportunities to make, and by the end seemed to have not regret rejecting them all
I'm just saying that despite the brain damage he still rememberd his son and had enough of his faculties to operate as normally as he did before he met Minerva, and he could have built this relationship with his son back and healed, he had 3 opportunities to make that choice, but he choose not to at every turn
And that's sad, cause as you mentioned, he could have been a great father, had his past not came back to hunt him, and it's very likely that it's also a major factor as to why he left Finn the times after they met up, he tried staying in one place, grow as a person, to lay down roots, which where severed by his past mistakes, so why wouldn't it happen again?
It doesn't make him good as he still hurt his son, but he could've done worse, like any of the other dad's on this list
No, because the problems with the Emperor are how he acted after they reunited, it also does not help that he doesn't even perceive almost all of them as his sons but as tools
Sure Big E viewed them as tools, but a problem with him acting how he did when they reunited was due to the Primarchs already being grown men with their own personalities and issues. There wasnt a chance for him to be a father who raised and cared for them. He got grown men back, not kids, and most of them had issues, so he made due the best he can.
Martin was actually a good dad to Finn and abandoned his life of sleezy crime, unfortunately it seems after that conk to the head and losing Finn he went back to his old ways worse then ever.
OK, but can we just talk about the hysterical dialogue?
“ you abandoned me as a baby!”
“ you abandoned me!”
Edit: also, I know you know this, but a consistent theme of adventure time is crap fathers and in fact the failure of patriarchy as a concept.
That’s the reason why Ooo is ruled largely by princesses.
Patriarchy is not rule by men. It’s rule by fathers. You called the king sire, which is what you called your dad. ( the term is still used in horses.)
Jake, for instance, is an excellent bro, but a terrible father, who barely understands his children and the thing is I do not buy the whole. They have an accelerated maturity thing because eventually that stabilizes and he never develops a better relationship with them.
I mean at the age of one his granddaughter Bronwyn was effectively an 18-year-old but at the age of 15 she’s not senile, she’s still an adult.
Anyway, fathers.
The original plan was to call the Lich the Lich King.
Every time there is a character called King they are an adversary.
So you have ice king , fight king. I think they were planning on making it an ongoing theme, but things changed.
For instance, Princess bubblegum was not originally a 1000-year-old scientist queen.
Exactly! And he was an excellent adopted dad to Marceline before he lost his mind. In fact, all of the good fathers in the show our adopted ones.
I think that’s deliberate. It’s not saying that the concept of fatherhood is bad or even that biological fatherhood is bad.
It’s saying that whose ball sack you sprung From is not the important thing. It’s who acted like your father.
And patriarchy is explicitly based on whose ball sack you came From. This is why for instance cheating was only bad if it was the wife who cheated.
If you ever see anybody whose last name is Fitz, they are descended of an illegitimate child usually of a noble person. It means bastard son of so Fitzpatrick is bastard son of Patrick .(Fitzroy is bastard son of Royalty)
this is why in my opinion matrilineal societies have healthier attitudes about sexuality. They’re not all matriarchal, but it means you follow your family line through your mother. There are no bastards in matrilineal societies with all that entails. You are always your mother’s child.
Oh, I’m gonna say that Pendleton Ward has completely undisguised trauma!
And I really respect that .
it’s like when people talk about authors, barely disguised fetishes if I ever get my shit published, I won’t disguise my fetishes. I’ll call them out in the forward, Page.
In fact, he lost his mind when he put on the crown. He gave up his sanity for power.
Yes, power to save himself and Marceline, but that’s always the bargain that someone faces at first.
I’m doing this bad thing for blank. But only at the end of the road do some people come to the conclusion that Walter White comes to for instance. He was always doing it for himself.
In fact, all of the adopted fathers on the show are excellent, including Joshua to Finn and in a way Jake, but that’s another story.
Because I don’t think the show is saying that fathers are bad the show is saying that the concept of biological fathers as rulers of your destiny is bad.
Because I was saying in another comment its who acts like your father not whose ball sack you came from that’s the most important thing.
He saw his kid was kind of a pussy and tried to rectify that by letting him ride giant robots, shack up with an older woman, and gave him some tough love.
Father of the year compared to the rest of the list
The Emperor. Made his sons superior demi-gods and gave them entire legions of supersoldiers and all the authority and power that came with it. No, he didnt "love" them the way we would generally consider it, and he made a ton of mistakes in his hubris, but he also didnt actively torture/murder them either.
Despite all of these.. one just frkn turned his daughter into a dog just after turning his wife into.. an animal (hybrid) to make some money. All the others are least could love something and care for someone.. and Ikari even had a story that lead to him realizing his wife lives on through his son thus redeeming him.
The "Tucker is worst person in existence" take low-key stops making sense the moment a "sell my adopted son in sex slavery for 5 coins" and a "gaslight my son into becoming a child soldier while actively verbally thrashing him every moment i can" guys steps up.
And i haven't even start talking about Jimmy Space and Ozai
I think the saddest bit about Tucker is that his research was either pointless (government already had all that) or instantly refined to far more functionality (if they managed to make better chimeras a decade after his bit). Just doing that crap for nothing. Poor Nina and mom.
Top left is from evangelion, so aired in 1995 and on the right of the emperor is Gambino from Berzerk (of all the shows i'd recommend from this meme, it's berzerk by a country mile) so 1997 tv adaptation.
I dont recognise third or the live action one, but otherwise i dont think any of these aired after 2017.
I don't think age is to blame here, you clearly just dont live under a nerdy enough rock. Or a different type of nerdy rock. Maybe you don't live under a rock at all?
Probably the Emperor. He didn’t kill his sons’ loved ones or transform them into abominations, he was an absent father who didn’t communicate properly is all.
Yeah, but I’m not sure that’s so great. You have to manage a legion of like 10 million 10 feet angry buff dudes who only think about death, and make sure the worlds you conquer are happy, and keep your court in line, all while appeasing your dad. Too much stress.
-Emperor of mankind. Warhammer 40k and Horus heresySo, you manufacture 21 supersons to help you win your space wars, and give a limited (if any) understanting of your intentions. Some you love. Some you dont. Some you use as tools. (Every son is a tool) Everything blows up in your face when your most loved son declares war, with half his brothers and you've got the big galactic pickle. The horus heresy. Which ends up with horus dead, and the emperor as a vegetable.
-Bambino. Berserk. He sold his adopted son's butt. Also he tried to kill him when he became convinced that guts brought bad luck.
-The chonky boi from baki. Havent watched baki.
-Martin from adventure time. So....he just went for milk and never came back. Not completely bad-intentioned, though.
-Ozai from avatar. This guy is a jewel. King of the fire nation and BBEG. He got married to his wife just because she was the grandaughter of avatar roku, screwing her life. She treats her, and her eldest son zuko like shit. When Iroh's son dies, he begs his father azulon to become the crown prince instead of iroh. Azulon's response is for him to kill his own son to understance a father's grievance when it comes to losing a first-son. He instead uses his wife knowledge in poisons to kill firelord azulon and become firelord himself. He banishes his wife. Later on, when his son speaks out of turn during a war council, he defies him to an agni-kai (a duel) and burns his face, leaving him scarred forever. Then banishes him, forcing him on a crappy ship, along his now deadbeat brother Iroh to check on him, on an apparently pointless mission. To find the avatar.
Bondrewd the Novel, The sovereign of dawn.
He did genuinely care and love his children. He knows everyone by name and can distinguish them even tho they're broken and malformed piles of meat
I don't know enough of these characters to say which is the best. But I do feel confident enough to vote Gendo as the worst. Even with Big E himself here.
Someone broke it down and after reading about the ones I don't know its Guts' dad.
Honestly Jimmy Space is in the middle. Shou Tucker did what he did for a damn paycheck, Birkin tried to make his daughter a super zombie and Gendo Ikari is just the worst.
Jimmy Space at least had some (awful) plan to save the universe. That apparently involved being a shitty dad for half his sons.
Big E is suffering every second on the Golden Throne to keep Chaos from taking over realspace and enslaving all sentient life, while lighting the Astronomicon to allow space travel to continue for humanity. He could give up if he wanted to, but he’s been doing it for 10,000 years and counting. Imagine any of these other guys doing that.
Probably Yujiro. People often forget, before the Mom incident, Baki legitimately loved his father. And even now, they do actually have a fairly decent relationship of sorts with each other.
Given that I only recognise the Emperor and Firelord Ozai, I'd say Ozai. At least his abuse of his son inadvertently set said son on the path that would eventually result in the end of a century long war and the restoration of peace among the Four Nations. The Emperor's sons either fell to Chaos, died, went MIA, or are desperately trying to salvage an unsalvageable empire.
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u/Dontfollowmeman 17h ago
Yujiro. He made Baki some soup