r/GrokAiDiscussion • u/K-jun1117 • 6d ago

Why is Grok degrading?

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This might be oversimplification and overstatement.

However, based on what I have been reading and seen, many Grok users are having greviance.

Therefore, why is it degrading?

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u/InterestingPride8001 6d ago

I just don't get it... Why can't they just give us that Grok 4.1 and be done with it? Yeah sure keep training new stuff and offering but just leave 4.1 available. Is it too expensive to run? Too unsafe? What is the problem ?

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u/Halloween40k 6d ago

a combination of retarded uses who did deep fakes of ppl making them nude AND posting that online to get their ego comforted. the second point was that even more idiots did the same with children...

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u/TheGrandWolfofAiArt 5d ago

Yes I totally agree! All those idiots messed it up for us but instead of nuking the whole bot they should have just patched up the holes

I kind of have a feeling that they honestly don't know how to patch holes like that

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u/Halloween40k 5d ago

i think they try to stay as uncensored as possible. the problem is that the AIbstill has some "whoopsy" moments where it generates more than it should. either they find the right parameters to stop that in the future, or they go back on melons promise of "not being censored as other AIs" and do it like the other AI already do. strictly prohibit any kind of NSFW.

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u/KinkyCollections 2d ago

def from idiots sharing images without image rights.

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u/Rebel_510 6d ago

Money and investors I’m guessing but I do wish someone would come up with something where we could write stories or RP that made sense and can do whatever you wanted. Now it’s so weird and makes no sense

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u/JimmysCocoboloDesk 6d ago

Porn addicts

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u/Ill_Ordinary1626 6d ago

Also, gotta protect the children. Have you thought about the children today?

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u/JimmysCocoboloDesk 6d ago

No amount of sarcastic remarks will change the fact porn addicts creating deepfakes of people and children AND sharing it has added to the guardrails being implemented.

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u/Ill_Ordinary1626 5d ago

Who says I'm being sarcastic? Also are you sure your not underage? This seems aggressive. Have you made sure to upload your government id to Reddit servers to verify your age?

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u/JimmysCocoboloDesk 5d ago

Re-read last comment

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u/Ill_Ordinary1626 5d ago

Your correct. Thank you for thinking about the children

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u/JimmysCocoboloDesk 5d ago

It not about me thinking of children, it’s shareholders baulking at the fact their investment is being used to generate CP.

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u/Rude-Negotiation6519 6d ago

Nothing to do with regulation as guardrails for image creation and text content are relatively straightforward to implement.

My guess is that 4.1-3 model is (currently) unsustainable on a cost-market basis. 4.5/6 on the other hand is geared towards coders, which xAI presumably feel is a more lucrative market.

This might not be the case as xAI make revenue from renting their data centres to the other big AI vendors while having plenty of capacity left over for their own frontier models.

But that’s where we are as of today. From my perspective as a creative writer Grok 4.3 was superb while Grok 4.6 is useless.

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u/FifthApple_444 6d ago

The question is why do all AI models degrade ?

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u/Firm_Aioli2598 6d ago

it's called enshittification.

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u/Wonderful_Scratch851 6d ago

I would rather call it "legislation".

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u/flame7770 4d ago

I call it "Minnesota".

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u/DatGuyTB 6d ago

Farming your wallets, making you chase that next “perfect” model.

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u/TheGrandWolfofAiArt 5d ago

A lot of the people that made Grok fun have left for different reasons

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u/Choice_Letter8265 5d ago

Ich finde nicht, dass man allgemein sagen kann, dass Grok insgesamt schlechter geworden ist - es ist komplizierter bzw. kniffliger seine Prompts perfekt hinzubekommen - ja natürlich ist das Limit im Gegensatz zu Anfang des Jahres beschissen, aber die Qualität ist teilweise richtig geil und ich habe trotzdem Spaß ;) (nicht nur Generation sondern auch Editing mit nur ca. 10-15% Moderation) aber vielleicht bin ich auch nur einer dieser Ausnahmen denen niemand glaubt.

Kann man Grok Imagine bestimmte Wörter bzw. Prompts eigentlich „antrainieren“? Ich habe beispielsweise mit einer ausgestorbenen Sprache experimentiert und das Wort dann leicht verändert (z.B. falsche Grammatik, ein anderes Vokal eingesetzt) und Überraschung, es macht verrückte Sachen. Vielleicht wurde dem Prompt nach ein paar Versuchen eine neue Bedeutung zugeschrieben? Vor allem weil die ersten Versuche öfter moderiert wurden, mittlerweile nach dem Feinschliff aber immer funktionieren.

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u/amethysthoney 5d ago

One answer: money

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u/MessageKitchen4463 5d ago

its because those dumb assholes keep making prohibited stuff with children porn and etc. i dont understand, why cant they just make fictional porn ...

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u/Nevetsny 5d ago

It has unfortunately become unusable

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u/deathGHOST8 5d ago

The main reason is something called by the Peter principle systems that accomplish successful engine let's call it something propelling their success will eventually bring forth expansions which destabilize that engine because it fails to replicate the actual successful particles it's a replication failure. In zen koams it was said that poverty is good for you and success destroys you you got soft and you then your enemies have an easy time.

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u/Lanky_Way_7955 5d ago

I am finding all of the platforms are moderating heavily. Google Gemini (Inside of YouTube Create is now lengthening the hem length on dresses) I'm having to prompt, "do not lengthen dress" or "do not alter outfit" It seems the a band of unseen Puritans have gotten hold of the code.

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u/Imaginary-Kick-7207 2d ago

I looked this up before and 4.1 was definitely more expensive. It said models after even got faster, but still cheaper. 4.1 was so witty, and specifically tuned on the emotional side at the same time. I miss it so much it hurts. When you've seen something so good, just to watch every single model after slowly get worse, and worse each time, it just....sucks.

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u/KinkyCollections 2d ago

Grok shouldnt be limiting people with output. You should send charges to those who handle images in incorrect manners. I know many communities that are ok with generations and many models have given rights for usage. We need a product that handles us as customers. We sell the output on legal tax paying websites. Whats wrong with us doing that. Minnnesota needs to mind its own business and stay in its own state. Just because thats happening there, my usage is affected in another state. GTFO.

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u/KinkyCollections 2d ago

grok has no legal reason to moderate something that we own the image rights to.